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Post by can't sit still » Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:26 am

I'm trying to come up with something worthwhile to bring to BM.
I think Free Energy would definitely fit the part.
It looks like there are at least a dozen devices that work nicely.
The MEG from Bearden looks great. http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megdiag.htm

I just need some help from someone smarter than myself. :wink:
Anyone with a good EE or physics background want to get involved????
If you want background, you should read the websites for Bearden and Naudin. The Adams device looks practical, the Lutec looks complicated.
There is a lot of info at "Rex Research" ,"info magnet" and "keelynet"
Tesla and Gray did great work. The 1903 Maxwell papers prove that scalar energy exists. Heaviside and Poyntang and Lorentz did further work.
I need a little help deciding which device to build.
All the devices are patented but I don't see a problem as long as I don't try to sell anything.
Anyone interested in replacing all the diesel generators at BM with something silent?? The financial investment doesn't look like a problem.

Our economy is in the process of crashing. The US is on the decendency and China is on the acendency. It looks like we'll follow the path of Japan. 2006 may be the last Burning Man of any size.
I can send plenty of links to anyone who's interested.
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Post by Ranger Genius » Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:25 am

Can you really possibly be stupid enough to think that if these devices worked there wouldn't be one in every home?

And by the way, the Motionless Electromagnetic Generator to which you linked is NOT patented. It's been pending for some time because the patent office won't issue a patent. Because they can't prove it works.
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Post by can't sit still » Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:17 pm

The MEG is US patent # 6,362,718 march 2002
The Adams patent is GB # 2,282,708
US patent http://www.cheniere.org/references/MEG_Patent.pdf
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Post by LeChatNoir » Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:32 pm

RG's just surly like that when he hasn't had any beer...

Most of the free energy stuff I've read up on gives very little return on the investment it takes to get it. But I've not gotten terribly deep into it either. I figure we've far from figured out the phyics of the universe around us, much less whatever others may be overlapping at any given time. I say go for it, man...
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Post by can't sit still » Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:00 pm

MR. Noir, good to see you. If you read up on scalar energy, it seems to be the new answer to everything. If you read the work of Sheldrake it seems to answer and at the same time contradict everything you knew.
If you read the work of Josephson at cambridge, you really start to wonder if anything that you believed is true. He's one of those flakes who lucked into a Nobel prize.

If you really want to strain credibility , read about quigong or cebu.
I don't believe everything that I read, I just file it away and look for possible corroboration.
Here's some interesting patents. http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet ... atents.htm
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Post by Kinetic IV » Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:26 pm

can't sit still wrote: Can I assume that the name "genius" is self-appointed?
I happen to enjoy most of Ranger Genius's posts but that was one of the better lines I've seen around here of late.....

Back on topic after reading the discussion I keep thinking about a saying that pops up from time to time on here...it goes something like: If it's not difficult, expensive, or time consuming it's not a good playa project. With that in mind.....it looks like someone's got the beginning of a good project for 2006. If you build it try and keep it hidden from those Apokiliptika folks. With that arsenal of theirs the last they need is another energy source so they can increase their weapons production.
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Post by can't sit still » Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:17 pm

I can't hide anything that's on the net. Even when disguised by improbable names. http://newebmasters.com/freeenergy/sm-text.html

Can you imagine the destruction of the economy and the government that would be brought about by the introduction of a free energy technology?
Free energy would bring about low cost resource extraction and food production. The gov would lose control of many areas.
No way in hell do they want to lose control or money. That's the main reason for the criminalization of pot. If you raise it your self, you cut out taxation and control. Gov really hates that.
The scary part is that any population tends to grow proportionate to it's resources.
Free energy could result in the dispersion of population and corresponding destruction of more of the ecosystem. :cry:
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Post by Rob the Wop » Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:13 pm

If you can get it to work, then build one.
I can guarantee you won't get any serious physics profs to help fund your project.
Having a patent does not mean you can't build one, it means you can't sell one.
Build one and tell us all how well it worked.
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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:31 pm

Hey can't sit still, I say go for it.

I've heard several so called Genius of all kinds say certain ways of thinking about alternative energies wont work and after being with an ecologically friendly Bus manufacturing company now for the past few months, I know for a fact there are a lot of new energy devices that are up and running around the world with these same people saying it wont work.

Someone on tribe just posted not too long ago about a fuel cell they have working that you may find interesting done by intelligent people for intelligent energy. Enjoy:







From: )'(
Title: Power generation
Our PEM fuel cell technology is unique.

It’s not a derivative of the conventional stack architecture that has been widely adopted by many companies in the fuel cell sector.

Simple and cost effective We’ve designed our stacks and systems from first principles and combined novel fluid and thermal management techniques with metal plate architecture.

The result is fundamentally simpler and cheaper.

Class leading We have one of the most advanced PEM fuel cell stack technologies available in the world today with a class-leading power to volume performance in excess of 2.5kW per litre.

Small and reliable Integrated humidification and cooling reduces component count, eliminating conventional balance of plant to give a fundamentally smaller and more reliable power generation system.

Cold start We’re the only company to have reported an unassisted cold start from -40C without the use of antifreeze.

Another remarkable first.

Broad portfolio Our PEM stack technologies span the power range - from a few tens of watts through a few kilowatts to more than 100kW.

In application terms - from laptop and personal power to combined heat and power through to distributed generation and even large automotive.

We’ve designed and developed a number of system platforms using our world leading stack technologies as a foundation, including:

• generator unit
• motive engine
• CHP unit
• personal power pack
• motor cycle power train

Powerful thinking The know-how associated with the design, development, integration and operation of such system platforms is considerable.

The key to success for
fuel cells, if they are to
succeed in the automotive
arena, will lie in
achieving high performance
at low cost. This applies both
to the fuel cells themselves and to
the overall working systems of
which they are part.
Proton Exchange Membrane
(PEM) fuel cell performances
achieved at Intelligent Energy represent
some of the highest ever
reported, with mid-stack power
densities of over 2.5 kW/L
obtained. Our use of thin, metallic
separator plates, which produce
such results also facilitate production
techniques which are
amenable to mass-production, and
the promise therein of cost reductions
due to economies of scale.
Although critical, the fuel cell
stack is only one of a number of
components that go to make up a
fuel cell system or powertrain. In
terms of size and weight the fuel
cell stack will typically only represent
a fraction of that of the system
as a whole. Whereas in terms
of cost, it is estimated that the fuel
cell, accounts for approximately a
third of the total system costs,
based on today’s materials and
production and assembly techniques.
The design of the fuel cell stack
does however dictate the nature,
type, number, size and configuration
of the peripheral components
of the total system. Typically this
balance of plant, in addition to the
means of delivering and controlling
the flows of fuel and oxidant
to the stack, will include a coolant
circuit and a humidification system.
Conventional PEM technology
requires these components in
order to control the stack temperature
and to keep the proton
exchange membrane itself in an
optimum condition. These features
tend to be ‘bolted on’ to the
fuel cell, often dwarfing the stack
itself in terms of physical size. Add
to this the requirement to house
both the coolant reservoir and possibly
a water deioniser within the
system or adjacent to it, and the
implications for positioning of
such as system within a limited
envelope, such as is available in
automotive applications are significant.
Intelligent Energy has invested
over 100 man-years of research
and development into the evolution
of a groundbreaking approach
to PEM fuel cell design, which has
profound implications for fuel cell
system and powertrain development.
We have produced unique
water management and humidification
methodologies, whereby
both of these functions are
achieved within the confines of the
operating stack itself. This eliminates
the need for either an external
gas humidifier or a humidification
‘bank’ grafted onto the body of
the stack.
Heat recovery or cooling of the
stack has been engineered so that
no complex peripheral coolant circuit
is required, this function being
achieved through internal features
in combination with heat exchange
technology. Pipe runs from the
stack have been simplified to provide
a flexible outlet and interface,
which permits, where appropriate
to the application, recovery of
waste heat for space heating and
other uses.
Because there are no dedicated
cooling plates within Intelligent
Energy’s stacks, each multi-functional
bipolar separator plate is
identical to its neighbours. This
has a range of benefits, from vastly
improved cell balance, to a
reduced component count and
improved ease of assembly.
The implications for the designers
of fuel cell systems, automotive
and otherwise, utilising Intelligent
Energy’s PEM stack technology
are far reaching. Beyond the stateof-
the-art performances that they
offer, their incorporation into systems
presently on the drawing
board, will lead directly to the
triple benefits of reduced system
size, reduced system complexity
and reduced system cost. ■
Intelligent Energy,
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Mayfair,
London
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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:05 am

Wow! How cool is that. I posted a link on that company here on the eplaya a while back when it was just a dream in the company's eye, and now it has come to fruition... cooooool



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Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:28 am

Just remember:
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Post by robotland » Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:39 am

There's PLENTY of free energy on the playa...you just have to ask for help.....

And I take it you boys have all watched the "free energy" Mythbusters episode. Lots of people want to believe in a miraculous new source of unlimited energy- Enough for some grotesquely tragic nuclear mistakes to have been made. And "cold fusion" wouldn't have gotten nearly as much press, in respected scientific publications, if others hadn't WANTED the findings to be true and given them the benefit of the doubt.

What we really need is a miraculous method of CONSERVING what we already have. Those of us old enough to remember the energy crisis of the 70's will also recall a great enthusiasm and sense of community, conservation and support for alternatives...Also hoarding, stupidity and selfishness, of course- But I think we were less wrapped up in ourselves back then. All of those new or newly rediscovered energy conservation measures, techniques and technologies have either resubmerged or taken far too long to develop far too little in thirty years.

*sigh*

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Post by Ranger Genius » Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:40 pm

Holy shit! I knew those names sounded familiar. I was going to suggest that that Bearden guy apply for the JREF Prize, but Randi has already been over this. Told you it was horseshit. The patent office has put the patent back under review. And every site that published bearden's paper has pulled it. It's just an oversized transformer.

Reality is an ugly thing, I know. Sorry.

Don't shoot the messenger.

(And, as I've said before, I didn't pick my moniker. But I didn't argue)




My project idea that runs along a similar vein is still in conceptual stages: solar and wind generators to charge deep cell batteries (or Li-Ion, if I can afford it), and then at night use the juice to perform water electrolysis. Turn the resulting H2 and O2 molecules into fire, thus creating..more water! Have people contribute water (and maybe power via a generator on a bicycle) and then take home commemorative bottles of the post-combustion water. But I'm not sure if the amount of power required is feasible for a decent-sized flame most of the night. Anyone know? Robo? How many amp/hrs do I need to electrolyze water?

And on the subject of using our current power more efficiently, three words: Global Energy Grid.
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Post by can't sit still » Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:23 pm

DVD, that was a great post about fuel cells. I just moved from Bend. They have a fuel cell manufacturer there who claims to be really advanced. http://www.fuelcellmarkets.com/article_ ... ubsite=599
The big problem that they're not talking about is the intolerance to sulphur. That limits them on the selection of fuels that they can use.
The hydrogen cell looks real nice and all that. It's got great power density too. I just can't get excited about the idea of building an enormous new infrastructure to produce and distribute hydrogen.

H cells are only storage and conversion, you still need to produce the power/H. Lotsa nukes or wind. Vestas would be happy to do it. http://www.vestas.com/uk/Home/index.asp
Nukes have improved a lot.
Solar doesn't seem to fit the bill. Hail , snow and latitude cause problems.

As far as Bearden and Naudin, the Frenchman obviously doesn't want to get his tit caught in a wringer. Bearden keeps saying "it works great"--- let's do a bunch of development on it. WELL, does it work or not?? I think that he's confounded because results are not repeatable. He just doesn't have the inspiration that Tesla had. It seems like an idea that just hasn't come to fruition yet.
It appears that the trick is to work with magnets. Bearden is working with nanocrystalline Al-Fe. Lutec, Johnson and Adams work with magnets. Tesla didn't have any nanocrystalline material. I'm trying to avoid going out and buying all of Tesla's books.
If I had more of a physics backgroung, I could probably do more of an evaluation as to what course I should follow--if any. It would be really presumptous of me to think that I could find something in Tesla's books that everyone else missed.
It appears that the genie that everyone is chasing may be the drawing of energy directly from the magnetic field of the earth itself. This doesn't create any problems with thermodynamics. I just don't understand how the power density could be high enough to be usable.

I found some intriuging ideas in an unlikely place. http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/ ... gcurnt.txt
The paper sounds pretty hokey, but the guy built the "coral castle" I haven't heard any good explanations to contradict his claims. His ideas about polar orientation with the earth are interesting.

I do have a relative working at Cambridge. The physics lab there was founded by Maxwell himself. Maybe I need to look there for a comprehensive idea of what path to take.

I'm also looking at a device that changes ambient temperature into electricity. Like a thermocouple but with a much lower temp. Sounds kinda dodgy at the moment. The interesting part is that they claim that the device works for about a month and then slowly just quits. I need to read a whole lot more before I start building something.
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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:57 pm

can't sit still wrote:I'm also looking at a device that changes ambient temperature into electricity. Like a thermocouple but with a much lower temp. Sounds kinda dodgy at the moment. The interesting part is that they claim that the device works for about a month and then slowly just quits. I need to read a whole lot more before I start building something.
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Quantum-Harmonics are causing the density of the conversion material to compact at the molecular level. Think of it as letting the air out of a balloon by letting it go, when all the air is gone, balloon she no fly. I think I read that on the back of a box of cereal.



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Post by dragonfly Jafe » Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:41 am

...I think Free Energy Camp is a great idea! The members could each build their own favorite device, and set them all up to run together as a sort of art display. The camp could even be located in Hushville! Of course, you would want to visit this camp in the daytime...
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free energy camp - great idea!

Post by stefan goya » Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:45 am

hey -
i have tried low budget cold fusion - sheet nickel chamber - magnet experiments -and helped with a spining bike wheel - with a friend or not - all failed - but the point is to do the experiment - vs just talking about it, whether negative or not -
in retrospect the contraptions built become art and the whole experience is amusing. plus you learn to observe more keenly and become less gullible.
and what about edison and his endless trials till he found the lamp filament?, and tesla who did incedible things ( and got real working patents ) useing the ether theory - which he never abandoned - to guide his thoughts on how eletricity works!?
i would like to try and generate some steam power with parabolic dishes at b.man....
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Post by Isotopia » Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:33 pm

Just remember:
In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
Not to mention entropy.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:44 pm

can't sit still wrote: Can I assume that the name "genius" is self-appointed?
Amonst Black Rock Rangers he's a certified "Genius"!

Just kidding Ranger!

There are continous free energy sources to be found on the playa, but they have yet to be exploited. Like:

1: more mass merry-go-rounds tied to generators.
2: pipe all the gas from the porta potties into Methane generators.
3: more strip joints with bicycle's equiped with generators. Once you stop pedaling then you must give up your seat to someone else.
4: solar cells

But the greatist source for mankind will be the earth's rotation itself. It's a big electomagnet giving off charges between the van allen belt and earth all the time. But that technology is dependent on nano technology. Nano technology is years away from that development.

Arthur C. Clark thought of an elevator built out of diamonds that would extend into space! Only a diamond would have the structural strength to withstand the force of such a gigantic structure. He didn't know about carbon nano technology. A structure that tall would generate static electric that will run every electric device on earth.

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Post by can't sit still » Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:38 pm

Whoa, great imput everybody!!!
Rabbi, do you know if the specific gravity changes. That in itself would make for some interesting materials. Check your cereal box.

Stefan, I never did have a lot of interest in cold fusion. After they crucified Pons and Fleishman, I lost interest.
As far as Tesla and aether, it really seems that scalar energy is there.
It's just real hard to grab. Bearden is close enough that he can taste it. I think that you can compare it to Rudolph Diesel's work. A diesel engine is SIMPLE. It took him a long time turning over various designs with a belt from a steam engine before the belt finally went slack.
All he was working with was a heat pump. Imagine something as slippery as scalar energy.

Isotopia, you're right, BUT some of the things that we think are laws are only guidelines. Remember when the speed of light was an absolute? Light was a wavicle and photons had no mass. The smallest particle was an electron.
Zeus, I still have the original Analog magazines with Clark's article. I don't recall him mentioning static electricity, but it would definitely be there. As far as merry go rounds---that's a lot of work. I watched people trying to rotate that 3 rock merry go round by center cafe. That sucker was massive.
As far as the idea of a world energy grid,,,,ni modo Jose. Can you imagine some world power authority having control over disbursment? Imagine Annan in a room full of switches for every country. We'd be forked from the word go. They really want the Net. It's universal and it's free. That's not good enough. They're a bunch of micro-encepheletic power mongers. I wouldn't give them control of a parking lot. :mrgreen:

I have a lot of reading to do. I need to get a lot smarter.
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Post by can't sit still » Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:00 pm

I don't post things because I believe that they are the absolute truth. I post them because I believe that they should be considered.

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Post by can't sit still » Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:54 pm

I'm still looking for someone smart who can read this and understand it well. http://www.totse.com/en/fringe/free_energy/bearden.html

I'm starting to lean towards building a giant capacitor out of degenerate semiconductor. It looks like the most straight forward approach to a scalar collector. My father told me about encountering overunity in capacitors in 1962. If you're interested check out "negistors"


"Dr Ross Gunn, a civilian scientist for the US Navy, stated years ago that the earth is a huge generator, generating over 200 million amperes of electric current continuously. For example, the aurora borealis is considered to be a very large definite electrical phenomenon produced by the passage of electric charges through the rarified gases of the higher atmosphere. The earth has since been shown, by Dr Gunn and others, to have a negative charge amounting to 400,00 coulombs. Yet, six feet above the ground the air is charged with more than 200 volts --- positive with respect to the ground.

It is known that air conducts electricity away from charged objects. This being true, how does the earth, a charged object and exposed as it is to the surrounding atmosphere, maintain its charge? If the air conducts electricity, the earth's charge must be constantly passing into the atmosphere. And it has been calculated that the earth has a continuous discharge into the atmosphere of 1800 amperes. At this rate, the earth would lose 90% of its charge into the air in one hour, yet the earth's charge does not diminish. Where does the earth's source of energy come from? "
http://www.rexresearch.com/moray2/morayrer.htm


I'm still looking for collaborators--not funding. Any takers?
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Post by Tiahaar » Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:28 pm

from the Bearden link posted above..."The Creator has always given us bountiful free electrical energy, everywhere, easily and readily for the simple taking. It has only been our own blindness and folly that have prevented us from seeing and using this free energy bounty."

Oh aye yes which is why I wonder that ye don' invest your capitol into the remarkable things called "solar panels". Within the special semiconductor layers contained inside these wonders of modern physics high energy photons directly from the Sun itself cause a cascading electron charge migration into copper wires and down into special electrochemical storage cells (also known as deep cycle batteries) where the energy can be stored and drawn out at will to power lights and radios and all maner of contrivances.

Note...Be prepared to spend $3-5+ dollars per watt for the "free energy collectors".

Sure, you could also suspend a wire from up in the ionosphere down to ground level and get a heck of a charge out of it, but a little honda genny would be so much more affordable.

OK, sorry to be both a little snarky and sarcastic, no harm intended. Theorists are still working on a Unified Field Theory...practical applications could be a ways off yet. Come see my solar/wind free energy setup in 2006 though, it'll be even bigger and better than last year. AEZ would be a great visit too.

Or I could send you the tray of 20 large Sprague Extralytic Capacitors (4700UF each at 12VDC) I have sitting on the shelf here next to me that I rescued from the company dumpster a few weeks ago...
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Post by DVD Burner » Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:22 pm

Well, I think just to get the ball rolling BM should do a grant for new and alternative energies.

It would make the event that much more exciting. Besides, it would be good for the BM image not to mention spark a standard of life that is BM and set an excellent example to the world on how to live in an environmentally frendly atmosphere that doesn’t seem that way because it either looks too cool in addition to actually working, Burner style.


(That would be sooo hip......sip.)


I'm glad this thread is taking off the way that it is. This topic as LRB has stated earlier, has been done a few times before but this seems promising.

After all, isn’t it the artist that inspires the science?

Da vinci and Apple computers seems to come to mind.


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Post by Kinetic IV » Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:35 am

So...who's going to fund those grants? Are you advocating raising ticket prices to do it? And what about the new "volunteers" that will be needed to administer this idea? Is someone able to help the already overstretched ORG roll out another layer of complexity to the event? And wouldn't such a grant for alternative energy while it is a good cause take away volunteer energy and money that should be directed back at the event itself?

Two words come to mind when I read the grant proposal idea: Mission creep.

There are places for grants and seed money to stoke the fires of innovation but the amount of money that could be raised by BM wouldn't go far enough and then you get into the ugly spectre of who's going to approve the ideas, what biases they have...
Let the community build their own stuff out of pocket which may give us cheaper and more innovative solutions.
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:05 am

We're not talking about a lot of money. I don't want to do R&D. I want to copy something. This looks really basic and inexpensive. http://www.totse.com/en/fringe/free_energy/dpalma6.html
I think that this explains what is happening.
http://www.padrak.com/ine/NEN_5_7_4.html
It would be real convienent if I could change this into a practical application. :wink:
Skepticism is plainly needed ,but it helps to look at the CV of the people doing the work.
This guy is a senior engineer at a nuke plant.
The other guy mentioned, De Palma is supposed to be in Ca. I should try to look him up. Uhhh, I think he's dead.
The majority of these devices use rotating magnets or segments. I've built plenty of things with shafts and bearings,,,it's cheap. You don't need samarium magnets,alnicos will do.
It looks like a couple hundred for a demo model and maybe a couple thou for something with several kilowatt.
That's nothing compared to what the Org funded for the art installations.
But, like I said, I'm not looking for funding.

Tiahaar, solar is nice and all that but, scalar, cosmic and earth mag field have FAR higher density. Do you know anything about negistors? can they be built LARGE? What is the basic structure/construction?
There's so many things that I'm ignorant of. Shit, I don't want to spend the next 7 months trying to get a comprehensive knowledge of energy, fields, potentials, gradients, semi-conductors, etc, etc
Ah well, nobody likes a whiner. It sure would be nice if all the E-playans did reading/research in the various aspects of capturing scalar and cosmic energy. Maybe we could put together the pieces. If just one person had the inspiration of Tesla or Moray, we could knock out something really impressive. 8)
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Post by Kinetic IV » Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:14 am

Clarification: I like the core idea. I dislike the idea of giving an already overloaded volunteer organization more stuff to do in terms of grants and funding. That's why I fired off the rant....I'm thinking in the Do-ocracy mindset...if there's a way to fund it yourself you do it. I'm also thinking of how it might increase ticket prices and right now there are more important issues like giving Robbidobbs more support and getting a macerator to help with the near poop disaster that happened this year. If ticket prices go up I hope pressing issues like that are funded first...after all if the poop problem is not handled right we have no event.
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:08 pm

Kinetic, strange as it might seem, I found Robbidobbs broken down on the road on her way home after BM. We had a talk about poop problems.
I towed her truck in to a shop where they eventually changed her fuel pump and filter,,,actually not her's,,,her truck's.

She said that they spent a lot of money to buy a centrifuge? to separate solids. 90,000$ and it was defeated by Baby Wipes.
She also said that persons unknown had come to the event with rocks that were sized perfectly to plug up the pumps on the trucks.

I hate to be a pessimist, but a macerator is more susceptible to sabotage than a centrifuge. They stress the hell out of using only TP that decomposes easily,,,and then people load the system with BWs that don't break up at all.
I studied various ideas like bigger hoses, a hose tip macerator, a rock screen, an in-tank macerator, etc
The JOTS are inexpensive and rentals. I couldn't come up with any viable ideas that were compatible within those 2 limitations.
I haven't given up, but at the same time I haven't thought of anything that didn't involve a bunch of money.
I hate to say it, but I think someone should come up with some cost numbers for trash haulaway at BM. It may be unavoidable in the long run.
If they put out more burn barrels, I think that the volume would be surprisingly small. I've been to Pismo and Glamis after a big weekend and people are real good at collecting and disposing.

You're mostly talking about plastics, glass and metal. The prices of all these items are going up. Recycling might break even. Recycle camp makes MONEY . The Al cans would go a long way towards paying for the other solids that are recyclable but don't have great payback. It's possible that with enough burn barrels, the haulaway volume could be reasonably inexpensive. It would be mostly light plastics and baby wipes [hopefully]
They use 40 yd. rolloff containers in the desert. It's real cheap if you can go to a dump and not a transfer station.
I would estimate that BM could site about 6 large containers and a few small ones at the JOTS. At a guess, I think that they would fill in 3 days if people were conciencious about burning.
If the dump isn't too far they should charge about 200$ cartage for each load.

You have to balance that cost against what ORG pays to clean up afterwards. I think it would be very cost effective. If they want to buy the 40 yd containers, I have a friend who charges about $1100.
All you need is a 3 axle roll-off truck to do the hauling. If the dump is close, cartage is cheap. Dump fees are $20 a ton in LA and $600 a ton in Japan. Don't know for Lane county. I've had a fair amount of experience in the disposal business.
I'm concentrating on free energy. My noggin is overtaxed already. Someone else should think about poop and the overall trash problem.
I'll work it out better later if someone makes me a good offer[sex and drugs and rockandroll] :)

Dan
PS You'll never hear me whine about anything that might be considered off-topic. Hopefully it's the same for others. Life is too short to get pissy.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:10 pm

can't sit still wrote: You'll never hear me whine about anything that might be considered off-topic. Hopefully it's the same for others. Life is too short to get pissy.
you have not been on this board long huh? :lol:
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:12 pm

I suppose that you think 4277 posts makes you some kind of expert. :D

Yeah, Diane mentioned it when I posted twice about burning crack houses. I just can't seem to work up the energy to get upset over little shit.
OUR genuis seemed to imply that I was stupid for putting any credence in overunity devices. He said that everyone would have one.

I think that Nikola Tesla would have something to say about that. He was made a non-person for coming up with the idea.

I'm leaning towards building an Adams motor. I found a group that has complete build blueprints that were published by Adams. He was 1 of the top 5 scientists in the world on power generation,,,,you know--a flake.
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