Free energy for BM 2006

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:15 am

If You want to hydrolize water, here's a list of interesting technologies.
http://www.users.on.net/~lekh/free.htm
Dan

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:32 am

I skimmed over that and at first I thought it referenced the miracle product: Dehydrated water. If anyone wants to stock up on this near mythical stuff here's a link for you: http://www.buydehydratedwater.com/

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:42 pm

Here's the unobtainium to hold your dehydrated water and also to build Aurthur C Clarks elevator.
http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/003330.html

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:14 pm

Can't Sit Still,

Arthur C. Clark didn't think about the amount of static electric his space elevator would encounter. It was me that thought of it as an after-thought. The recent discovery of Blue Jets and Red Sprites just reinforced my theory of the great amounts of static electricity that flows everyday from earth into ionosphere and near space. The space elevator would just be one giant electrode to tap that all energy. But remember Blue Jets and Red Sprites form because of the massive cyclonic action of large thunderstorms some rising as high as 280,000 ft.

AIIZ

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:30 pm

You're right and it's funny that Clark didn't mention it in the story. Ben Franklin knew about it.
With a name like Zeus, it's no surprise that you're quite aware of lightning.

I'm still trying to find someone who can help with the decision of what to try to copy. There seems to be dozens of devices that people claim tap in to the "Dirac" sea of energy. Tesla's "Radiant Energy"

I don't doubt that it's there. Researchers are showing energies as high as
10 MEV for cosmic rays intercepted underground.
There's no doubt whatsoever about the static energy in the atmosphere.
There's no doubt about the earth's mag field.
The ONLY problem seems to be capturing this energy and converting it to a usable form.

It's a semantic thing. If you say "free energy" , people shake their heads. If they see lightning or the Aurora Borealis,,,they say COOL.
The average person just doesn't make the connection,,,that energy may be "tapable"
If a caveman sees a river, he can't make the mental jump to see a water wheel and a mill for grinding grain.
We're at the same juncture. We can see and detect the energy, but can't fathom the idea of tapping in to it.
Electricity from a solar cell or thermocouple was nonsense a few decades ago.
It's just a conversion problem, nothing more. We're very close to solving the newest conversion problem.
Dan

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:33 pm

OK gang, here it is. FREE ENERGY.
If you find my physics or my info to be wrong,,,,correct it. The net has a lot of info. I've found things that were incorrect. If you want to argue a point,,please do so. My formal education stopped at high school. Obviously a trained physicist would catch BS that I might miss.
If you don't agree with my opinion,,,say so.

I have to do this in several installments.

Free energy--it's everywhere. The earth is warm, the sun is bright. We get energy from both. The problem is that we can't yet extract energy very efficiently. Also, the density in watts or BTUs per cubic meter is fairly low.

Solar cells work well, but sunlight isn't very energetic. We need better density or better collection.
Nikola Tesla worked on collecting "radiant energy". He claimed that it came from the sun. Physicists generally agree that he's refering to cosmic rays. They are very energetic and are present when the sun is not shining. His patent #s for this are 685,958 and 685,957

Tesla patents http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/index.html
http://www.tesla.hu/tesla/tesla.htm

Tesla was a very prolific inventor. You can see from this list that he wasn't a one shot wonder or a flake.
Various people are or have duplicated his device. Lawrence Rayburn wanted to sell a kit. http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Rad ... ceRayburn/
Here's an early writeup. http://www.frank.germano.com/radiantenergy.htm
There is some confusion as to just what energy he's trying to receive.

There is an enormous potential between the earth and the "sky" It amounts to millions of volts. Lightning is measured in terawatts. There are other types of static electricity.
There is also ZPE, zero point energy. Add to that cosmic energy. Then you also have the magnetic field of the earth. Then, you have the "Dirac" sea of energy. I'm not completely clear just what "radiant energy" is.
The fact is,,,we sit in the middle of an enormous field of energy. We just have to convert it.

Tesla's original device called for a round metal plate buried in the ground and another 30 ft. in the air. The reconstructionists seem to think that a copper tube wound in a spiral would collect the energy more efficiently.

There is also the possibility that a correctly designed antenna could draw in a much greater ammount of energy. The science looks pretty good.
http://www.amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html

I'm not really qualified to pass judgment on this, but I do understand Db gain.
I have much more info. I've found something that would lend itself well to BM. You can generate electricity quite cheaply if there is a little wind without using any moving or expensive parts.
That's for the next installment.
Dan

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:48 am

Excellent job CSS.

I wonder....whomever gets to figure this all out and becomes sucessful at tapping the energy.....will they be responsible?

Loaded question?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:42 pm

[quote="DVD Burner"]Excellent job CSS.

I wonder....whomever gets to figure this all out and becomes sucessful at tapping the energy.....will they be responsible?

YOU'RE DREAMING!!!!
Responsible for a zillion deaths is more like it.

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"If done too fast with a large enough Exotic Vacuum Object this would be a powerful bomb - more powerful than thermonuclear" – Dr. Jack Sarfatti

(PRWEB) September 1, 2004 -- Experimentalist Ken Shoulders claims that electrons are behaving in ways thought to be impossible. A new and previously unknown force appears to be binding the electrons at short range into clusters of electron charge. Shoulders calls these clusters Exotic Vacuum Objects, or EVO's.

Shoulders describes this as "a short-range force resembling a positive charge negating the effect of repulsive electronic charge"

One of Ken Shoulder's latest papers suggests nefarious uses for charged cluster technology based on EVO's:

"The author can easily imagine a scenario where instructions are generated with enough clarity for about 1 person in 1,000 to perform the necessary operations to refine and store a gallon jug of electrons in the form of Exotic Vacuum Objects (EVO's) ... there is no doubt that this jug would be light enough to carry and be highly sensitive to destabilization of a catastrophic nature..."

Ken Shoulders has recently collaborated on several papers with independent theoretical physicist Dr. Jack Sarfatti, in San Francisco. Sarfatti suggests that his theory of exotic vacuum dark energy/dark matter can explain Shoulders' experimental data.

Although Sarfatti hopes for carefully controlled release of energy from the EVO's, both Sarfatti and Shoulders warn that rapid release of a large EVO would be explosive, perhaps more powerful than a thermonuclear device.

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DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:08 pm

can't sit still wrote: Responsible for a zillion deaths is more like it.

My point exactly.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:38 pm

I'm completely blown away. I was going to develop this thread as a report of possibilities.
How to get a few watts for free to power up toys at BM.
I found just that. Then I found the whole enchilada.

I'll list a few.
http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet ... mbient.htm

http://www.altenergy-pro.com/index.htm

http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/S ... artPAK.htm

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Cycclone

I plan to post more of the stuff that I found, but this should make good reading for a while. There's other stuff for direct conversion of enviornmental heat to electricity.
Dan

Post by **AntiM** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:11 am

http://kutv.com/peterrosen/local_blogen ... 63749.html

Energy from fire tornados, now that's burning!

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:34 am

Hi Antim, the Aussies want to do it without the fire and smoke.
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0, ... 17,00.html
They plan to go about a kilometer high.
Dan

Post by **AntiM** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:04 am

Well shucks, where's the fun in that?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:34 am

Here's a couple more sites that seem to be offering Free energy stuff.
http://pesn.com/2005/06/17/9600113_Magn ... roduction/

http://www.rqm.ch/businessplan.htm
I REALLY wish someone would give me a little help. I can't evaluate these circuits. It looks like 2 of them pick up all kinds of stray RF and ????. The last one looks like it's too high amperage to be an RF receiver.
It's worth mentioning that much of the R&D for these devices comes from countries that don't have any petro.

There is a Swiss commune that seems to use Scalar energy to power up the whole commune. I read that it's been verified. You have to judge for yourself. http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/9-22-0 ... gi.20.html Do a search, there's lots more info and some corroboration that looks valid. Check it out and I'll pursue it if it looks valid.

Imagine if Burning Man was powered by a like devive. That would really put BM as an extremely forward thinking community.

C'mon, E Playans,,, put some effort into RADICAL change. Green as can be and self--sufficiency at the same time.
I'm willing to buy whatever device looks promising. I'll take it out to the playa and load test it.
Please pass on this info to anyone who might be able to move this forward. Dan

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:44 pm

can't sit still wrote:I REALLY wish someone would give me a little help...

This is more than a little help. You are asking for the keys to the universe. If I knew how to do this, I would not be wasting my time at BM, I would be taking over the world. Literally. Then selling it back to everyone 1Kw at a time...(at a reasonable cost of course)

While I believe in the basic idea ("sea of energy", etc) I also have played around enough to know that the "plans" out there will not produce working models. I spent no small amount of time working on a magnetic device. Just remember, "TANSTAAFL" (maybe the camp should be called that). When the technology is finally demonstrated, everyone will say "that is simple, why didn't I see it?" except for the scientists who will say "technically it is not free energy we are just using up another non-renewable resource on a quantum scale".

However you can do "free energy" today. Solar, of course, is "free energy" (at least once you pay for the equipment!) There are also bi-metallic/solid-state technologies that convert thermal differences (or just heat itself) into power (and there is plenty of wasted thermal power at BM). If you could dig a hole deep enough you could use heat-exchangers. Windmills. Or maybe a giant Sterling engine. Enough accelerometers on an engine/generator can generate useable power also from "wasted" vibrational energy (read a Japanese paper on that once!). All sorts of "free energy" that works today. But at a cost....

Try doing a cost analysis on any two methods; gasoline w/ generators is still the most efficient in the short run. Hopefully fuel cells will eliminate the noise, but it is hard to beat the energy density of chemical reactions.

Good luck. I tell you what - if you figure it out, let me know how it is done first, OK?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:07 pm

Dragonfly, you're right about energy density. You're also right about geo-thermal heat. The calories locked up in the planet below the thin crust are enormous.
The place where I disagree with you is on the term non-renewable. It's not infinite of course, but we can't make an appreciable dent in it.
I've read some absolutely incredible numbers for the quantity of energy in the scalar domain.
If you read the technical part, scalar energy is all present in the universe.
Did you do any investigation on any of the businesses that I posted?
It appears that the density of energy in the "scalar" domain is way beyond anything that we have now.

As far as your lack of success with a magnet device, don't feel like the lone ranger.
Now's as good a time as any to do my next installment.

Magnets and magnet motors;

Michael Faraday was the first to demonstrate rotation caused by electricity. History credits him with the invention of the electric motor. Faraday credits Tesla with the invention.
Tesla worked with motors using both permanent and electro magnets.
Magnets seem to hold a special place in the universe. They seem to do work without using up energy. The accepted explanation is that the energy comes from the scalar domain.
Tesla was the first to try to make a magnet motor work without power imput. Later on Adams developed magnet motors. His design was plaigarized by Lutec in Australia. [Lutec 1000] Adams' successor was Depalma

Depalma seems to be the most successful at magnet motors. The Bay area seems to be a center of interest
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"No one has ever obtained a patent for an N machine in the U.S., although in the San Francisco area alone, there are some 200 patent applications relating to such devices. The U.S. Patent office automatically denies a patent to any gizmo which purports to produce more energy than it consumes, on the grounds that its personnel are not equipped to evaluate such claims. DePalma is quick to point out that the N machine "
http://www.mufor.org/nmachine.html
http://depalma.pair.com/ This shows the machine and mentions penalties for turning it on.

Depalma trained at Harvard and lectured at MIT

This guy has help from god so I'm sure that he'll be successful. http://www.josephnewman.com/

Howard Johnson has a motor too. http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory ... index.html

The one that looks like something may happen is the cycclone
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Cycclone

Gray built an electric car. It looked good enough that Ronald Reagan gave him the inventor of the year award. After that the DA aressted him and took everything. They released him because they had nothing, but they never gave back his models or plans. His shop was bombed twice. Eventually he ended up with his head caved in from a hammer.

His engine is here with drawings and patent specifications. http://pureenergysystems.com/os/EdGrayM ... s/3890548/
Moray seemed to be the heir to Tesla. He was getting enormous energy outputs. http://www.rexresearch.com/moray2/morayrer.htm

He showed his devices to many engineers and physicists and evidently they all agreed. When he finally did a group demonstration,,,he was rewarded the very next day. His lab was destroyed, plans stolen and he got a bullet in the head for good measure.

There are reportedly about 4,000 patents for energy devices that are locked up because they have "military interest" Alledgedly ,Gov locks up the patent and pays no recompense.
Fortunately, the US gov isn't omnipotent.
There is an Indian who has a good shot at making a overunity generator.
http://www.tewari.org/
The Swiss don't have oil so they're making progress too.
The Japanese are a whole different game. Hitachi says that they can make self-powering motors but it wouldn't be expedient given the world situation.
Kawai reportedly had a good overunity device.

"Kawai's U.S. patent is Teruo Kawai, "Motive Power Generating Device," U.S. Patent No. 5,436,518. Jul. 25, 1995."

"The Kawai patent does indeed work, but it's expensive to build a Kawai COP>1.0 motor. You have to start with a very high efficiency magnetic motor (such as are available from Hitachi, with efficiencies of 0.7 or 0.8 Then you have to apply the Kawai process, and use electro-optical coupling in your switching so you minimize the switching costs. Doing that, you can attain a COP approximately double the efficiency (in the Hitachi labs, Hitachi engineers tested those two motors, modified by the Kawai process, and independently obtained COP = 1.4 and COP = 1.6."

http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/012202a.htm
The paper goes on to say that the Yakusa nixed the deal.

Next post will be something not so esoteric. An easy to generate power with a little wind. Hey, who knows,,maybe dust will increase the output.

Dan

Tiahaar · Post by **Tiahaar** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:13 pm

Ah! Good to see wind power mentioned here! Some of the neat spin-offs of research are the powerful rare earth magnets commercially available for project use. I want to build one of These: http://www.otherpower.com/17page1.html super high output wind turbines! I got lazy and purchased an alternator refitted with magnets rather than building my own. That site has some great "present technology" stuff for powering your cabana.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:51 am

Tiahaar, that site looks really cool. I'm a DIY kinda guy and those Kind of projects are fun. I've got tools to build anything, but not much in the way of electronic stuff.
The project that I had in mind was low tech and low bucks. They claim lots of watts. I think that maybe they tested it in an area with a lot of RF. I plan to go to the playa and test it there.
http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/radiant_energy_diatribe.htm
Does anyone know any wire engineers that might have info on where I might obtain wire that doesn't have to be conditioned?

The power has to be stored and converted to a usable form. I need to investigate if these would handle the current. http://www.maxwell.com/ultracapacitors/
This circuit might work. http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet ... mbient.htm
I was looking at this too as a controller. http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/S ... artPAK.htm
It looks like this device is limited by it's use of an aerial. If it was connected to a spiral or LONG antenna it might work pretty well.
It's all fun and interesting but it takes time.
Dan

mamanture · Post by **mamanture** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:31 am

Someone you might want to talk to - http://www.woodstockchamber.com/Splash/ ... arins.html

mamanture · Post by **mamanture** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:45 am

This might be a better link -

http://darinselby.1hwy.com/index.html

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:45 am

We could always collect the farts of the range cattle...

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:02 pm

Or you could use cow dung and other animal "wastes"
http://www.thesundaily.com/article.cfm?id=12143

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:38 pm

can't sit still wrote:The place where I disagree with you is on the term non-renewable. It's not infinite of course, but we can't make an appreciable dent in it....I've read some absolutely incredible numbers for the quantity of energy in the scalar domain....Dan

Yes...of course we humans so far have managed to exhaust each new fuel source we have stumbled upon within several dozen generations...I predict that 500-1000 years from now there will be a "Scalar Energy Crisis" on a galactic scale, and that SEPA (Scalar Energy Producers Association) will be raising prices to record highs....with "infinite energy" people will start talking about terraforming the planets, building ringworlds, etc., etc. - it will get used up faster than expected...

And yes, I did look at the sites you listed...much of it I have see before. Some of your latest sites look interesting; always up for reading about the latest ideas....thanks.

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:59 pm

can't sit still wrote:Does anyone know any wire engineers that might have info on where I might obtain wire that doesn't have to be conditioned?

If it is as hard to get rid of the effect as claimed, then you should be able to take bare wire and insulate it without making any effort to condition it. For instance, a bare wire coated with that rubber goup stuff that you can mark your tool handles with...or maybe a spray coating done in multiple layers....this one looks easy and cheap to test. If you get it working, definately post the results!

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:37 pm

Ringworlds,,,where have you been? Now it's Dyson spheres.

We're all going to have fun,,,forever. http://www.hedweb.com/

The skeddadlehopper took some engineering. It goes well with his little conehead hat. You can bet your blue cross that you wouldn't catch me haulin ass down a hill at 25 mph tied on to the front of that thing,,,especially with "hemp" brake fluid.

Kinetic, everyone is recycling organics for various things. I'm trying for a narrower focus. Power that one could realisticly bring out to BM

Ms crypto,,,,perhaps you could demonstrate for us how to catch a cows fart.

The only experience that I've had in that area involved a swimming pool, my little sister,a toy bucket,,,,yes, special delivery.

As far as the wire, I have to read more closely. It appears that you need to pull the charge off the braid[shielding] I think that they would have mentioned solid or stranded wire if it had possibilities.
They specifically mention removing the outer plastic after you bake it. That would leave the braid exposed.
One guy says use unshielded , the other guy says use shielded. I know that the braid is specifically designed to stop interference from charging the center wire. I believe that it absorbs the RF energy. That's exactly what I want to absorb.
I really don't have a clue what the effect or result of "conditioning" is. What does 15 K VDC do?
I need to read up on electrets.
I also need to understand Ion Valves.
I just got a good book about cosmic energy.
I'll have a report by 11:00

Dan

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:20 pm

Well, I read up on electrets. It turns out that the insulation is the electret.
http://www.keelynet.com/electret.htm
http://f3wm.free.fr/sciences/jefimenko.html
You have to heat the wire up until the insulation is almost molten. You hook up the 15K VDC positive to the center conductor with the negative to the braid. Sounds a bit iffy.

The Russkies are doing a lot of investigation too.
This is a PDF file that has an amazing amount of info. They mention in passing that we live partly off scalar energy that we absorb,,,our food intake isn't enough. There is a Chinese "discipline" called "cebu" where a person doesn't eat, they just drink water and absorb energy. I guess that explains how the Chinese can survive when their food never fills you up.
http://intalek.com/Index/Projects/Resea ... Energy.pdf

This page has lots of pics and info on Russkie stuff..
http://www.faraday.ru/projects.htm
Dan

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:14 pm

These people have some really good drugs,,,,really good imagination or a REALLY good device.
http://www.stardrivedevice.com/power_plant.html
I'd like to think that we can get away from fossil, hydro and nuke but this info is a tiny bit hard to swallow. My brain is feeling a bit like mush right now.
Oh yeah,,,just for balance, here's some people who believe in scalar energy,,,,,and quite a few other things too.
http://www.soulinvitation.com/notfree/
I have to read this later.
Dan

Rabbi Dali Rick · Post by **Rabbi Dali Rick** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:38 am

We always overlook the simple easy to do stuff because... it's so simple and easy to do?

How about a steam engine that runs off recycled stuff like wood and stuff that, instead of it just being on a burn pile, make the stuff usefull as fuel for a Gigantic Nuclear Steam Plant out on the esplanade. The good side is if everybody brought you all burnables and paper trash from their camp for you're fuel, they get to see inside the plant and get a tour and you get free fuel. There should be plenty of shit to burn if you tie in early to the BMORG as a recycling station and also make sure all the radio stations broadcast your need. Have a table where people can make a memento Plate or tile from a concoction of the leftover refuse from the pit under the steam engine (which will cleverly help a lot of otherwise potential MOOP to adhere to the "pack it in pack it out" mantra), a little playa dirt, some Plaster of paris, a some paint and voila an ultra-green camp that produces a clean burning power, using the trash of the city. I would try to masticate every thing down peeble size chips or even better down to sawdust with some kind of chipper or industrial shredder type apperatus and then compress that into a burnable log. Make it all like a giant RubeGoldburg-type machine thingy. And your camp gets to run around with clipboards, labcoats, hardhats, and Nuclear radiometers declaring someone over the Radiation Limit taking them aside, getting them nude and putting them in a paint booth sized area and.....

oh wait... thats a helluva lot of water for the steam

shit....
never mind carry on.

well any way,

the rebbi

for no particular reason I

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:51 am

Closed cycle steam regeneration plant.

Got the idea when you said Nuclear - that's how they work.

Take water. Heat the water to steam - generate the power - condense the water in a tower (BIG tower), then back to the tank to refeed the boiler...

The size would be the killer. But it could be done. Prolly wouldn't have enough fuel, tho...

bb

Rabbi Dali Rick · Post by **Rabbi Dali Rick** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:55 am

ok ok how about some fake overunity machines based on the drinking bird thingy only bigger and have some kind of contact switch that will momentarily turn on an electric magnet that repels the birds head and sends back into the loop of bobing up and down. The bobbing up and down motion is what will be turned into energy and stored in a spinning energy collection machines which will also power the magnets. Well it's kinda overunity. Not just one but about five and instead of looking like birds make them look like oil derricks as a rub to the oil industry. Free power.

merrily,

the rebbi

Free energy for BM 2006

yes wind power good

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And One Time At Band Camp.....

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