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Post by can't sit still » Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:36 pm

Rabbi, your idea isn't bad. Steam power doesn't really use that much water.
I read that a vehicle will go 5 times farther on steel rails than on rubber tires. I know that trains don't really have much rolling resistance.
You can buy a steam engine that would work nicely for low speed.
http://www.mikebrownsolutions.com/20hpkit.htm

20 HP. would be plenty of power.

It would be interesting to build a steam powered art car. It would sound pretty cool too. As a side benefit, you could cook lobster and hard-boiled eggs.
There is something that occurred to me a while ago.
Tell me how cool this would be.
Build a steam powered, rubber-tired vehicle. The tow-behind would hold all the burnable trash that you picked up [a good way to meet people]
It would also hold an open top water tank. During night drives, you would bypass some of the output from the boiler and heat your on-board hot tub [an equally good way to meet people] You would need a steam whistle to "call" for trash. A small aux steam engine could run a generator for electric power. The same company sells them.

You could start with a truck chassis. No need to build your own. Next, go to this site or some other place that would have an efficient boiler.
http://web.govliquidation.com/
Buy the engine from Mike Brown. Build a cab. Build the trailer.
I could build this without straining a single gray cell. It's what I do.
I just don't have the motivation at the moment.

Rabbi, you're in Hollywierd, I'm in Van Nuys. If you get a few motivated people and a pocket full of cash. I'll do the design.
Let's see; high pressure tires, on-board bar-b-cue, water filter, lobster steamer,,,,does a sauna seem a bit "overboard"?
Dan

Post script----topic,,,,,we donna need no stinkin topic. :mrgreen:
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:34 pm

Everybody seems to have an overunity device. We have them, the Swiss, the Russians, the Kiwis, The Aussies, the Canadians,,,even the Irish have one. http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet ... tem%20.htm

They've got names like Sundance and Hummingbird http://befreetech.com/techpage.htm

We're overloaded with impossible inventions http://befreetech.com/top_ten_inventions.htm

My general feeling is that scalar energy does exist. I've read a lot and the proof seems to be irrefutable. It's completely supported by quantum mechanics and quantum theory.
I can see where it would be difficult to intercept this energy. I can also see where the petro and nuke industry would do anything to block implementation.
It's also perfectly obvious why Gov would block devices that individually generated power VERY CHEAPLY
Solar power is like home-brew beer. It's not very convenient. Hail and batteries and converters and dead cells and wind etc.
A home power generating unit that doesn't need any fuel or attention would take an enormous amount of control and revenue from gov.

Gov is a self-perpetuating beast that demands to grow larger and larger.
Any threat has to be dealt with severly.
Backyard marijuana would really cut into gov revenue. It has to be quashed mercilessly.
Free energy is a different beast. It has a lot more appeal than pot.
I think that gov is trying to annihiliate a hydra. Every head that they chop off regrows somewhere else as two heads.
Free energy is technically just a conversion problem. Thousands of people are working on it. Many of them are in countries that don't have their own petroleum.

They seem really motivated for the most part. A large number of them seem to be altruistic. I've seen a lot of research info that has been released to public domain, consequently it can't be patented.

It appears that FE needs a bit more time to get to market. All the regulatory agencies are bound to block it.
I read the Alexander Bell was arrested for selling "quack" gadgets to unsuspecting hicks. [telephones]
I think that gov REALLY hates the idea that one could get power without paying monthly. Look at all the taxes that they tack onto every phone and electric bill.
Electric cars are even worse.
Consider; drilling tax, wellhead tax, pipeline tax, refinery tax, excise tax, sales tax etc. <68%> of the cost of gas in this country is tax.
The whole "sickness" that is our current gov is far beyond our control.

They dream up new taxes every year. We don't receive new services every year. Gov is self-perpetuating, self-feeding and out of control.

Free energy would severly curtail the reach of gov[I hope] If gov can't block Free energy, it will have to demonize it. Maybe a few stray explosions to demonstrate that it's too unsafe for the public.

We could see the free energy equivalent of "Reefer Madness]
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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:42 pm

EUREKA I think I've created the perpetual energy machine! First I put a rock in this leather thing and then.nnnn I pull back on the Nuclear accelerometer straps back like this..sss...ss and it will send the projectile directly into warp volocity thereby crossing over in to dark matter and ..... Hole still whilst I aimmmmm...... trust me it will vaporize into atoms before it hits you there by creating energ...eee....eeee.


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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:56 pm

This is kinda old and not exactly free but I hope this works for you CSS and everybody else it may inspire.


http://www.ntt.co.jp/news/news05e/0502/050222.html


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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:21 am

Go here...

http://www.remnantsaints.com/Alternativ ... perman.htm

or here...

http://www.padrak.com/ine/

I am experimenting with nano photovoltaic overlay technonlogy. Indeed.



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Post by can't sit still » Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:04 pm

I'm not burned out on this topic, I'm just wondering what is going on. What are the odds that these thousands of people who are working on FE devices are all deluded, crooked or stupid?
There are hundreds of patents. What are the odds that all of them are bogus? There have also been many demonstrations and proofs.

I'm not talking about hydrogen or other exotic fuel conversions.
I'm just talking about zero point energy. What are the odds that all these people and their investors and peers and review boards are all deluded?

I like wind and solar, hydrogen is nice, but ZPE is extremely cheap and allows independence from the grid. The MEG was supposed to go into production in 03. Others announced that they were about to produce.
Are everyone of them flakes? Are all the devices frauds? Are results unrepeatable?
Is gov and petro supressing ALL of this? Gray got a hammer in his skull, Moray got a bullet. It's often true that you can judge someone by their enemies.
Is the entire business of ZPE a fraud? Has the US gov co-opted all other govs to suppress in the name of world-wide stability?
Is someone already in production and waiting for the right moment to drop the whole thing on the market?
It's well established that ZPE exists. Why can't someone release a device that converts it simply. Tesla and Moray did it.
If you drop by this place in New York, do they have any engineering models that work? http://www.stardrivedevice.com/summary.html
This guy is in the bay area. He says next year. Whats up? Does he have working models? http://pesn.com/2005/06/17/9600113_Magn ... roduction/
Johnson and Nueman are ready to go, Cycclone seems to be a finished product.
The demand is there. The manufacturing capability is there. Is the entire family of ZPE devices fraudulent or supressed?
DVDs link has a ton of info about ongoing projects.
This site has plenty too. www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3354/index3.html

It's true that a successful implementation of a good ZPE device would completely deflate huge sectors of our infrastructure and economy. Not to mention curtailing the reach of gov. It's easy to understand why the majority of the people with REAL power in this country would try to block implementation.
ZPE appears to be fraudulent or blocked.
Dan
Any Ideas or imput anyone?????
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Post by dragonfly Jafe » Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:01 am

can't sit still wrote:What are the odds that these thousands of people who are working on FE devices are all deluded, crooked or stupid?
There are hundreds of patents. What are the odds that all of them are bogus? There have also been many demonstrations and proofs.
What are the odds that you will have this tech powering so much as a light bulb at BM2006?

You seem a bit angry that we are not jumping on your band wagon and providing you with answers or at least encouragement...
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:47 pm

The odds are that I'll have a moderately efficient lead-acid Ion exchange device powering my lights at BM 2006.

I'm not angry at anyone,,,just frustrated. There's not a single person from BM that owes me anything[except for the guy with the walking dragon who didn't return my flashlight] I don't expect, ask or demand anything from anyone at BM or on eplaya.

I'd like to see the earth take less of a thrashing and civilization make a bit more progress. ZPE, as offered would accomplish both of these things. It seems so tantalizingly close.
I find it frustrating that it's not implemented for whatever reason.
Dan
PS, I'd like to go to the "falles" in Spain to see them burn their floats. This might give me an excuse to drop by Switzerland to check out that commune where the whole place is powered by an overunity device.
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Post by can't sit still » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:36 pm

This looks OK http://pesn.com/2005/11/07/9600201_TMA_vertical_axis/

I found a good free energy design. I'll start building this week.
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Post by Kinetic IV » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:45 pm

Looks interesting enough but 34 ft high for a 25 kW version is still a bit much. But if one believes the release info it can handle the higher wind speeds, it appears to have been tested up on the Foote Creek Rim and if it can survive there it can handle most anything. Again....very interesting.
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Post by Tiahaar » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:41 pm

can't sit still wrote:This looks OK http://pesn.com/2005/11/07/9600201_TMA_vertical_axis/

I found a good free energy design. I'll start building this week.
Dan
Cool! Like a modified Savonious (sp?) vertical turbine. I'd love to swing by and check it out on the playa. I found another link to a small one of this type http://www.ata.org.au/articles/70byosav.htm , saw where some farmer stacked 6 55 gallon drum halves in three levels to make a big one. I would guy-wire the top rather than relying on the vertical shaft alone to keep it up.
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:39 am

Tiahaar, as usual , I wasn't clear. I posted the horizontal turbine because we had previously had a long discussion about bird deaths. I'm not actually going to build one.

I like the link that you put up. It has an interesting controller for low voltage imput.

I'm going to build a device that taps in to the universal background energy. Tesla called it radiant energy. It's everywhere.

I don't blame the sceptics for their doubts,,,,only their closed minds.
It's slightly analagous to infrared. Imagine wandering around at night in the Mojave desert. You're kicking rocks and bumping cactus. Then imagine that your fairy godmother shows up and hands you night-vision goggles. All of a sudden, you can see the unseen.


Radiant energy is much harder to detect, but that doesn't preclude it's existence.
I'm going to build one of the variants of the magnet motor. I'm also going to try to talk the inventor into coming out to BM.

The best things in life....aren't things.
Kinetic,,,,,this is blasphemy,,,heresy. You ought be burned at the stake.
Our wonderful society is completely oriented to things. Intangibles are TRASH!!!!!!!! If Madison ave can't market it and gov can't tax it,,,,,it's USELESS!!!!
The laugh of a little child, the view from a mountaintop, the smell of a meadow, the salty breath of a sea breeze, the smile of a friend, the caress of a lover,,,,,,,,,,,all GARBAGE!!!!!!
NEVER forget,,,,, the only true solace is in the mall!!!! Only things can make you happy.
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Post by dragonfly Jafe » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:29 am

can't sit still wrote:...I don't blame the sceptics for their doubts...only their closed minds....
My mind is open, I'm just suggesting you develop the tech before bringing it to BM unless you are doing so as an Art project (and that when someone does develop the tech, the last thing they will have time for is BM...) Remember, as you have stated, many thousands (including Tesla!) have preceeded you and failed...

But this year's theme fits Free Energy perfectly...the hope of the people, the fear of the establishment. An Art project of a Free Energy device (mocked up with lots of flash and a secret generator or battery) would be pretty cool. Combined with a quack inventor hucking the crowd, who could say? ("Sorry,no commerce allowed at bunrningman, but boy, when it is over I will be taking investors on a limited basis...")
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:29 pm

I seem to have been reading the wrong books. Tesla invented the;
Blade turbine
Bladeless turbine
Reciprocating air motor
A.C. current system 60 cyc
Electric motor,,,credited to him by Faraday who history says did it.
High frequency electric current
Wireless transmission of power etc etc etc. I posted a link to a few pages of his patents.
When he invented wireless transmission of power, he mentioned to J P Morgan that there was no way to charge money for power delivered. That was the end of Tesla. It's claimed that Morgan had Tesla's name removed from all books by the 5 textbook printers at the time. He was made a non-person after that. But I'd hardly say that he failed.

Moray succeded Tesla. He didn't fail at all until he got a bullet in his head. Same with Gray and many others.
The machine that I'm duplicating has been thoroughly worked out. No bugs left. I can get most of the components at the scrap yard. I just have to assemble it. It's a system that's most applicable to someone living off the grid.
When we go to race the Baja 1000, we meet tons of people [expats] living away from the grid. I could get a license from John and start producing in Mexico. John invented and perfected this system decades ago. I imagine that he's got plenty of time to play now.

Our current physics is sadly outdated. I'm not going to try to educate or convince anyone. Suffice it to say. Our current EM theory looks at electricity as a river of electrons. It looks at the vacuum of space as [NOTHING] This idea is over a century old and falling apart everywhere. Think of electricity as a river with an enclosed stream of mercury, a stream of oil, a stream of water and who knows what else all running together and yet divisible. The key seems to be in the ions. One has to tap into the ion stream. That's what powers a battery.
I'm going over to the yahoo group that is building these devices. I have a lot of questions. I want to scale up my second device and I don't know jack about circuit design.
I've also never learned how to put the smoke back in after it leaks out. :lol: Dan
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Post by can't sit still » Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:26 pm

Free energy in good old Ballard. http://www.keelynet.com/energy/mckie.htm
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Post by can't sit still » Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:40 pm

Not free but definitely cute.
http://www.otherpower.com/pmg2.html
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Post by Kinetic IV » Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:52 pm

can't sit still wrote:Not free but definitely cute.
http://www.otherpower.com/pmg2.html
I've seen that one before. Why is it that I get a little bit nervous thinking about wood and electricity being in such close proximity? But if you have a bunch of plywood and other wood pieces around like I do that idea is very interesting.
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Post by can't sit still » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:33 pm

Kinetic, use apitong. I'd trust it at just about any strain level. Dan
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Post by can't sit still » Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:35 pm

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Post by can't sit still » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:19 am

Here it is for those who can understand it.
http://www.atomicprecision.com/new/ECE-Article_EN.pdf
I'm working on a Bedini version of this idea.
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Eureka........

Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:51 pm

I followed those plans to the letter and here is what I came up with.




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Post by can't sit still » Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:22 pm

Rabbi, That's very odd, It doesn't look like a nano-voltaic overlaid "dipping bird"
That is what you were working on last report.
I've been busy gluing on magnets and winding coils.
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Post by gyre » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:33 am

It's not really out there, but I have a source for US made dc fluorescent ballasts if anyone's interested. They work at low temps with a powerful enough ballast. There is also a low pressure sodium light in case anyone wants to light a large area with little power- 20 & 35 watts. I have a 55 watt which gives off 10000 lumens. It's a pure amber light.
LEDs are not more efficient except at low light levels and they dim as they warm. But they work very cold and tolerate on/off cycling which shortens the life of fluorescents. Nite hawk has the ONLY PWM controlled headlamp I have found- efficient at lower power levels and maintains full brightness. It's a 3 watt. Oh, forgot about Stenlight. It may be PWM. It is a 6 watt and more expensive. A lot of companies claim PWM regulated leds and are lying. Most dimmers are resistors. A dimmer is very useful on one this bright. I think nitehawk gets 200 hrs on the dim setting. Elektrolumens has a well heatsinked flashlight very cheap in a 3 watt and they offer up to 18 watts. They have built a brighter light. They also offer parts to make your own. I want to build a luxeon lantern or tent kit around 12 watts for next year. I used a 1 watt luxeon headlamp at bman and was very impressed. You need a useful pattern though. Luxeons can have a very wide spread light pattern. I use mine every day now. The new version led is much better. Make sure you get one of those.
Fox Fury has a wide angle headlamp that uses standard leds.
Might be just the thing for closeup lighting.
You can also get HID flashlights and bike lights now.

Oh, I saw a pendulum powered by the earth once. That's perpetual enough, isn't it?
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Post by bringer » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:50 pm

OK CSS,

there is no such thing as "free energy",
but there do exist several hundreds of "engineers" who would like nothing more than to claim they are right about something while separating you from your money.

Go talk to a physics teacher at your local community college, and do it with an open mind (by "open mind" I mean "be ready to accept that your previous hopes or ideas are wrong").

Have said physics teacher explain energy to you. There are several simple (and I mean simple) equations that you can use to calculate energy expenditure of all kinds. In the end, you will see that energy is conserved. This means it is neither created nor destroyed.

Have faith in science, and maybe you could work to make existing technologies use energy more eficiently. You will never be able to create energy from nothing.

Otherwise, good luck. :)
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:23 pm

There are a few gadgets out there that look like "free energy" until you try to derive work from them.

Hey I got a cookie on my table, it's free as long as you don't touch it. :)

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Post by dragonfly Jafe » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:41 pm

bringer wrote:there is no such thing as "free energy"
Depending on your frame of reference, this could be true or false. If you consider total entropy and enthalpy of the universe, then of course it is true. But if one considers a portion only, then there is indeed "free energy". As this thread has already discussed, solar is "free energy" if one just considers the earth and it's atmosphere. For all practical purposes, this is an unending source that will last forever (at least as far as you or I are concerned that is). Tidal generators such as deep ocean turbines, tide swell turbines, and windmills are also examples of "free energy" (variations of solar really).

I agree with CSS that space is not empty, there is energy to be tapped. Just loft a conductive strand 25,000 miles up tethered to a satellite in geosynchronous orbit and hook it up to the grid...Tesla was possibly on the right path with his resonance researchs, time will tell.

I just don't think it is likely to show up for the first time at BM...or even anytime soon. And of course there will be unforeseen side effects (EG: most Tesla technology would cause problems today as it would generate enourmous amounts of static on the RF bands)
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Post by bringer » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:50 pm

[quote="dragonfly Jafe"][quote="bringer"]there is no such thing as "free energy"[/quote]
... if one considers a portion only, then there is indeed "free energy". As this thread has already discussed, solar is "free energy" if one just considers the earth and it's atmosphere...[/quote]


right on.

I was thinking of those people who claim to have some sort of perpetual motion machine or can derive energy from the vacuum with a device you stick in your closet next to the vacuum (see what I did there?).

Semantics aside, most free energy devices you see on the maket are a scam of one sort or another. "Alternate energy" is the term typically used for solar and other forms of energy derived from otherwise "wasted" sources.
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Post by bringer » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:55 pm

And that conductive strand you describe has already been done. The Russians strung out something like 350 meters of conductor from a satalite cutting across who knows what density of flux.

It burned up real nice.


But the energy came from the Earth's magnetic field. It wasn't free.
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Post by dragonfly Jafe » Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:23 pm

agreed - once the ultimate heat death of the universe occurs (assuming that the universe is either static or expanding), there will be no energy at all...on the other hand, if the universe is a collapsing one....

...and every time we turn on a light, flush a toilet, take a breath, or communicate via Eplaya, we are hastening that ultimate end...

(so help save the universe, hold your breath!)
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Post by bringer » Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:52 pm

How about I stop flushing instead. :)
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