Landmark Forums i.e. EST is targeting Burners

Kinetic 5.75 · Post by **Kinetic 5.75** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:29 pm

BELCH

cowgirl · Post by **cowgirl** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:33 pm

i left a message on the general mailbox at brc... and hopefully someone will address this.

as for chikin.. he had some other good points.

and its surprising that some very well educated, reasonable people in sf have considered these fuckers as useful to their own personal development.

cowgirl · Post by **cowgirl** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:12 pm

*bump*

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:16 pm

cowgirl wrote:i used to call them 'interzone' when they'd phone her.

good to see ya again!

cowgirl · Post by **cowgirl** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:42 pm

hi spectab.....

this quote from another thread about the Landmark Freaks targeting Burners, from Tribe:

"yeah the modern evolution of EST from the 70s.
certainly has in my mind NOTHING to do with being a burner.

similar to scientology, these people prey on people's lack of self-worth to perpetuate a "learning process" surrounded by large fees; members get caught up in "volunteering" and "training" when in fact all they are doing is working for free to help landmark recruit more people to pay $700 to go to their weekend power-brainwash seminars, to learn how to be happy little recruiters themselves. biggest scam ive ever seen, and so many people think they are learning things they wouldnt learn anywhere else. "

Jungfraueigerbane · Post by **Jungfraueigerbane** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:52 am

when you intend to work with humanity at large, having an understanding of mass consciousness and how it can be guided/molded is essential...

if you work with sheep, get a sheep dog

not that everyone's sheep...

just a disproportionate cross-section seems to be stuck in this mentality

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:48 am

It would seem to me that, if someone offers to trade you insight for anything, be it money or otherwise, then they have instantly informed you of the true intent behind their actions.

Thatgirlagain · Post by **Thatgirlagain** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:22 pm

cowgirl wrote:and using the image of Burning Man. burners beware.

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I checked out that link and could not find the BM image. Have they removed it already?

Jungfraueigerbane · Post by **Jungfraueigerbane** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:56 pm

whether they removed it, or the new flagging system tribe has adopted took care of it, it has been replaced by a questioning shadow

cowgirl · Post by **cowgirl** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:43 pm

perhaps they've removed it!

the tribe isn't publishing the image of the man today... wahoo! fuckers.

can't begin to tell you that since i've opened this topic on a few forums here and on tribe.net, A LOT of people have come forward with their personal experiences... none of them positive.

cowgirl · Post by **cowgirl** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:51 pm

they removed the date and location
it used to be at a specific location in sf and time.

now it reads TBD.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:07 pm

Kinetic 5.75 wrote:BELCH

a sock with gastro/social-intestinal problems, hmmm.....

Q_ · Post by Q_ » Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:35 pm

That was fast action... Maybe they are monitoring this board... Most or all of the members of that tribe are from Seattle... I don't know everyone but I do know a lot of Seattle Burners and I didn't recognize them... Any other Seattle folks know the members?

cowgirl · Post by **cowgirl** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:40 pm

keep us posted!

dj big E · Post by **dj big E** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:57 pm

Anyone who wants to follow something or someone and give them $$$$$$ follow me. I will turn you on to "IT" I promise. BIG E

skygod · Post by **skygod** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 12:28 pm

Nothing makes me more angry than these type of orgs, scientology, EST, religious zealots-- they can all go to hell.
They want your money to sell you their "secret", and the secret is that there is no secret.
They ruin peoples desire to know themselves and be happy.
It's like a rape.

Chai Guy · Post by **Chai Guy** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:58 pm

From my VS. Thread (thought it might be relevant here).
http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... c&start=30

THE 10 WARNING SIGNS OF A CULT:

1. The spiritual group claims to have received special instructions from one or more "messengers from the sky."

The playa in winter forbids you.
It keeps secrets for too profound for humans.
The ancient gods and goddesses fly midnight kites with ice tails.
Whipping winds will freeze even flames out there.
The black block of night turns our martian summer into Neptune where the sun is the size of a morning star.
http://www.burningman.com/blackrockcity ... flections/ coyote_nose/vol02/coy_v02_i01.html

2.The spiritual group uses a special set of rules that you must obey or be cast out.

2005 Survival Guide
http://www.burningman.com/preparation/e ... index.html

3.The spiritual group promises eternal life in a paradise if you obey its set of rules, and threatens eternal suffering if you do not obey its set of rules.
The Rules and Consequences:
http://www.burningman.com/preparation/e ... orcement.h tml

4.The spiritual group demands that you give up as much of your assests and your yearly income to it as possible.

“Wish List” http://www.burningman.com/participate/wishlist.html

5. The members of the spiritual group call each other "brother" and "sister," even when they aren't related at all.

“So there you have it, my Brothers and Sisters of the Burning Man”
http://www.burningman.com/preparation/t ... nical.html

6. The spiritual group is led by a group of enlightened masters who wear strange clothes and speak in esoteric parables.

http://www.burningman.com/whatisburning ... s/viva.htm
[url]http://ww%20w.burningman.com/whatisburningman/lectures/la_vie.html[/url]

7. The spiritual group demands that you accept its teachings without reservation, even when those teachings are in direct conflict with your understanding of basic scientific knowledge.
The 10 Principles: http://www.burningman.com/whatisburning ... es%20.html

8. The spiritual group demands that you select your spouse and your closest friends from its membership.
Costco Soulmate Trading Outlet
http://www.thespoon.com/costco/
http://www.burningman.com/preparation/e ... nships.htm

9. The spiritual group demands that you place your children in its training program.
Kidsville: http://www.burningman.com/preparation/e ... %20ml#kids

10. The spiritual group teaches that giving up your life for the sake of the spiritual group may become necessary sometime in the future.

“You Voluntarily assume the risk of serious injury or death by attending”

cowgirl · Post by **cowgirl** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:35 am

with all due respect chai guy... keep the 'burningman is a cult' argument to another thread.

this is not what we are discussing.

we are discussing est and landmark forums. please stay on topic. thank you and happy hanukah.

DoctorIknow · Post by **DoctorIknow** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:52 pm

This is a discussion?
Sounds exactly like the O'Reilly Factor to me, except with non-progressive conservative Burner thinkers wallowing in their fear, with anecdotal stories of friends and INTENSE research on the web.... haven't heard one personal experience except with EST which was long ago. Does the fact that people who were in EST started Landmark make Landmark a carbon copy of EST? I doubt it....yet that comparison has been made frequently in this so-called discussion.

Finally, Chai Guy puts real thought and great humor into a post that took more than fifteen seconds of knee jerk reaction, and he's scolded.

Speaking of anecdotal factoids, I was in a non-drug non-drinking camp of 40 people and two of the nicest most un-selfish people I met in 7 years of burns had done Landmark training. They didn't recruit. Am I on topic yet?

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 11:12 pm

This place has had some low points but to compare it to anything put out by Fox News...that's bad. Very bad.

cowgirl · Post by **cowgirl** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 8:53 am

you have only skimmed this topic. there are at least two personal experiences written about.

and the o'reilly factor? that is very ignorant of you.

as for the larry harvey 'humor' as you put it. its tired. put it to bed in another topic.

ok then, here is an OPEN CALL to others to post their EST and LANDMARK experiences.

Jungfraueigerbane · Post by **Jungfraueigerbane** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:44 am

i experienced trained minds working to train other minds for the benefit of all minds

Jungfraueigerbane · Post by **Jungfraueigerbane** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:47 am

*to the best of their ability*

cowgirl · Post by **cowgirl** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:57 am

in est, landmark, where and when?

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:01 am

I always liked that pic of Larry...

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Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:26 am

Jungfraueigerbane wrote:i experienced trained minds working to train other minds for the benefit of all minds

Very, very vague statement that is meaningless.

Trained minds, first instance. Trained in what? Academically? What teachings? What on the job experience? What accreditation?

Working to train minds to do what? What training is imparted? What independant studies have shown this training to be effective at whatever it is supposed to do?

To the benefit of all minds? You're kidding, right? Specifically name the benefits and explain how this benefit can directly affect all of humanity.

This is the meaningless drivel used to describe non proven psuedo-science. I can point to many research results on group therapy and other psychological methods. Show me independant research on whatever it is you're trying to say.

Jungfraueigerbane · Post by **Jungfraueigerbane** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:09 pm

[color=red]Rob the Wop[/color] wrote:
[color=blue]Jungfraueigerbane[/color] wrote:mind
is meaningless.

Show me independant research on whatever it is you're trying to say.

not trying to say... saying

you're trying to understand

effort is not mine, it's yours to put forth

Jungfraueigerbane · Post by **Jungfraueigerbane** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:13 pm

cowgirl wrote:in est, landmark, where and when?

landmark, (intentionally dropped the ball in the self-expression leadership program)

2002ish

los angeles

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:18 pm

Don't listen to that man! I'll bet you 5 dollars right now that "Rob-the-Wop" isn't even his real name.

Sorry for the drift; we now return you to your regularly scheduled rant.

Jungfraueigerbane · Post by **Jungfraueigerbane** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:53 pm

[color=blue]Sensei[/color] wrote:right
real name.
rant

rave

1. To speak wildly, irrationally, or incoherently.
2. To roar; rage
3. To speak or write with wild enthusiasm
4. To attend a rave.

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