Critical Tits photography

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:41 am

Lady V wrote:Dear God.

A woman is not a car.

yes, unfortunate reality it seems

JediDale · Post by **JediDale** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:04 pm

Ever hear of a "Purple Nurple"? How about several women surrounding a camera phreak and give him a good hard twist on his nipple, hence the name "Purple Nurple"!! He will then definitely get a new mental association to breasts! I just don't get it, I know any man can see tits, so whats the big deal? Obviously, those men were not breast fed as babies thus keeping them infatuated and obsessed by mere mammary glands!!
Do they get into a car wreck every time they drive by a dairy? Hmm...?

On a counter note, I believe if a person of either gender is secure in their sexuality and sense of self, any comments really do not warrant consideration. So...If I choose to show my total body freely, (And I don't mind, since I believe in nudism.), then what you think of my body parts is none of my business. I totally understand that people often go through
phases of exhibitionism and voyeurism and I feel it is a good thing! Why?
It desensitizes people to the control that society forced upon them concerning clothing.
On a personal note, I lived in Hawaii for 5 years and scoured Waikiki and several other beaches about thrice a week for a couple of years gawking and becoming bold. I said and did outrageous things knowing that they would be gone in a week and no one would know!.... Except one - ME!
I learned that Karma doen't always demand immediate payment. Sometimes it COLLECTS INTEREST FIRST!!

Genuinely,

Jedi Dale Of Reno

RedStep · Post by **RedStep** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:41 pm

I have a question on this subject...does this apply to all photographers, or just the leering ones? I took my video camera to the burn (a nice one, I do digital editing), and shot everything I saw. One of these things was CT, but I was on the periphery, focused more on the spectacle and scale of the event. No close-up boobs or anything like that, though there were woman of all shapes and sizes riding past my lens. Does this pass the test as an acceptable practice, or is it frowned upon? I produced a 1-hour video from the event, and CT takes up maybe 80 seconds of that. Am I a bad person?

I appreciate replies from any women who participate. I was confronted by a young male, who said I was degrading the event by recording it, I tried to explain that I had no interest in naked flesh, but he had it set in his mind that I was taking it back to have "college kids drooling over it".

grand wizard hornsby · Post by **grand wizard hornsby** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:30 am

I wouldnt mind a fair trade off. I'd let my wang hang out while simultaneously appreciating the mammory growths protruding forth from the chest of the woman. "The power to feed nations!" Rejoice!

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:21 pm

Does this pass the test as an acceptable practice

Unless you asked every person who ride by your lense for their permission the answer is no.

bigpurple · Post by **bigpurple** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:39 pm

Every year that women ride in the CT parade there are yahoo men with camera's. Every year that other men see this, they hopefully get the message that viewing women as merely objects is disgusting. I applaud the women for thier courage in exposing this behavior. Social ostracism and peer pressure is the solution. People if you see a perv be sure to let him know how you feel. Most people want to be liked, want to be accepted by thier community, make sure that they know this behavior is unacceptable. No this is not perfect, but this is how a community sets its standards.

A few pages back someone suggested that he might knock a women off her bike. I urge you to not do that. The life you save could be your own.

bringer · Post by **bringer** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:32 am

Hi kids.

I'm new here, so forgive my n00bee question:
What is the spirit of CT?
I would like to understand what the point of CT is.

Men (seemingly all of them) with a camera at the parade (parade: an organized public procession on a festive or ceremonial occasion) are being held in very low esteem.

So what is the CT parade celebrating?

---Ian---

bringer · Post by **bringer** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:16 pm

~ahem~

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:52 pm

I took pictures at CT so what? I am not a Yahoo and thank god not a Femi-nazi or some male puppy trying to get on their good side.

Every year that women ride in the CT parade there are yahoo men with camera's

Maybe we should make it a man only event? Yahoo boy howdy that would be fun. Every man with a camera is a Yahoo? What about all the women with cameras out there are they Yahoos too? Do not ride is your option too. Maybe all men and lesbians should be banned from CT? Never tell what they might be thinking?

Unless you asked every person who ride by your lense for their permission the answer is no.

Wrong the BM rules do not require permission from everyone at a large event!

I have advocated for a long time that women should have a right to go topless as much as any man I cannot figure out why they do not fight for this right!
http://www.bobonit.com/html/2005/02/man ... ack-o.html
For the women worried about photographers you should boycott by not looking at any BM pictures at all. The Photographers have as much right to take pictures as you do to ride around topless or naked! I am sure there would be someone out there offended by your nudity do not know where this person is but I would be sure...
If Women would fight for their right to go topless like men the problem would be over in one generation the secret thrill of tit's would be gone which is probably why you do not fight for it for you would lose the Power of Boob's
Any how I find this thread very disturbing and hatefull towards men in general.
I took many pictures at BM mostly faces that was my goal this year but also some Boob's, Yahoo's, art, dicks, dicks in a box, sunsets, sunrises, and some Boobies. GET OVER IT

What kind of Boobs do you want to see?

Thank you for this vent I needed to share please go back to your regular programming now.

Cephlah · Post by **Cephlah** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:01 am

I hate the talk of "rights" and "rules." If we genuinely care about eachother and the experience of community, shouldn't we naturally avoid doing things that cause others insecurity?

I have been attempting and rejecting public nudism for most of my adult life. Why? Because even though I enjoy being outdoors in the nude, I can't get over my reaction to others' reactions to my body. I feel naked; exposed; ashamed by the sexualization of something I intended as non-sexual. And I'm a pretty unattractive woman...I don't understand it.

YES, I understand that it is my choice to ride/not to ride in CT, or to expose/not expose my body in public. And YES, I further understand that it is a man's right to look at whatever he chooses, and that everyone's private thougths are their own. But, do we really have to exercise all of our rights, all of the time?

Show some consideration.

Chai Guy · Post by **Chai Guy** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:32 am

If we genuinely care about eachother and the experience of community, shouldn't we naturally avoid doing things that cause others insecurity?

I'm not sure the entire Playa is large enough to contain that assumption.

Cephlah · Post by **Cephlah** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:04 am

Chai guy - you're so right. I just reread my post and I was pretty snarky wasn't I?

Body image + others' perceived value = big time insecurity for me, I guess.

Here I am, all irritated at others pushing their rights on me, and here I go vomiting my views all over the board. Sorry about that, and thanks for helping me see it.

-Ceph.

Chai Guy · Post by **Chai Guy** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:29 am

Well, I mean as far as thoughts go, it's a pretty nice one to have. In fact, it's my hope for our us (both the event and society at large) that we'll realize that being considerate of others is it's own reward. I think you just have to be realisitic enough to understand that some people are going to be selfish and inconsiderate. Trust in Allah, but tie your camel and all that.

As for the body image thing, man, I can tell you that I've seen so many people's minds who were changed because of attending the event.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:49 am

I will admit that even I was taken aback by the dude's with the production video equipment and big boom mike hanging out over the CT ride, I found that more disturbing than the frat boys and yes there was a frat boy whooping it up and in fact getting in the way of my photography I asked him to chill out and amazing he did?
And I know there where lots of women enjoying the picture taking considering they literally slowed down and posed for shots remember the ride in itself is art

This camera man with his enourmous and I mean enourmous camera/lens focusing in on just the breasts. I could tell cause of the angle he held his camera at. No faces, just tits. That was the start of my disgust for the event

If some dude gets a tight shot of tit's he either is interested in the boob art or the boob itself who cares? Damn he can google boobs all day what's another boob in a sea of tit's

un-costumed men wandering around amidst the women, clutching their cameras in their sweaty hands

The original poster mentions un-costumed men repeatedly what is a un-costumed man? any form of clothing or no clothing is a costume out there. Sweaty palms? Just paranoid drama

Cephlah · Post by **Cephlah** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:24 am

[quote]In fact, it's my hope for our us (both the event and society at large) that we'll realize that being considerate of others is it's own reward. I think you just have to be realisitic enough to understand that some people are going to be selfish and inconsiderate. Trust in Allah, but tie your camel and all that. [/quote]

Chai, good point :)

I realize that in many cases I am very naieve, but to me this is sometimes a good thing in that it allows me to have a more optimistic view of people than I otherwise would (or at least I think so). On the other hand, my expectations do set me up for disappointment/resentment sometimes.

[quote]If some dude gets a tight shot of tit's he either is interested in the boob art or the boob itself who cares? Damn he can google boobs all day what's another boob in a sea of tit's[/quote]

Perhaps this is just me, but what bothers me isn't the sexualization of my body (tits, ass, whatever), but the fact that I feel less human and more of an object when others are only interested in me visually. Whether they're gawking because I'm sexy or because I'm so UNsexy as to be a spectacle, I don't feel that they are truly seeing ME...only my body.

This is another big assumption, but I think every person wants to be seen and recognized for their humanity, and not simply for interesting visual traits. Art and bodies can both be beautiful/interesting, but I have to believe that the person behind the art/body is infinitely more so.

So, I'll dismount that high horse now. *LOL*

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Cephlah · Post by **Cephlah** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:24 am

[quote]In fact, it's my hope for our us (both the event and society at large) that we'll realize that being considerate of others is it's own reward. I think you just have to be realisitic enough to understand that some people are going to be selfish and inconsiderate. Trust in Allah, but tie your camel and all that. [/quote]

Chai, good point :)

I realize that in many cases I am very naieve, but to me this is sometimes a good thing in that it allows me to have a more optimistic view of people than I otherwise would (or at least I think so). On the other hand, my expectations do set me up for disappointment/resentment sometimes.

[quote]If some dude gets a tight shot of tit's he either is interested in the boob art or the boob itself who cares? Damn he can google boobs all day what's another boob in a sea of tit's[/quote]

Perhaps this is just me, but what bothers me isn't the sexualization of my body (tits, ass, whatever), but the fact that I feel less human and more of an object when others are only interested in me visually. Whether they're gawking because I'm sexy or because I'm so UNsexy as to be a spectacle, I don't feel that they are truly seeing ME...only my body.

This is another big assumption, but I think every person wants to be seen and recognized for their humanity, and not simply for interesting visual traits. Art and bodies can both be beautiful/interesting, but I have to believe that the person behind the art/body is infinitely more so.

So, I'll dismount that high horse now. *LOL*

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Cephlah · Post by **Cephlah** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:25 am

[quote]In fact, it's my hope for our us (both the event and society at large) that we'll realize that being considerate of others is it's own reward. I think you just have to be realisitic enough to understand that some people are going to be selfish and inconsiderate. Trust in Allah, but tie your camel and all that. [/quote]

Chai, good point :)

I realize that in many cases I am very naieve, but to me this is sometimes a good thing in that it allows me to have a more optimistic view of people than I otherwise would (or at least I think so). On the other hand, my expectations do set me up for disappointment/resentment sometimes.

[quote]If some dude gets a tight shot of tit's he either is interested in the boob art or the boob itself who cares? Damn he can google boobs all day what's another boob in a sea of tit's[/quote]

Perhaps this is just me, but what bothers me isn't the sexualization of my body (tits, ass, whatever), but the fact that I feel less human and more of an object when others are only interested in me visually. Whether they're gawking because I'm sexy or because I'm so UNsexy as to be a spectacle, I don't feel that they are truly seeing ME...only my body.

This is another big assumption, but I think every person wants to be seen and recognized for their humanity, and not simply for interesting visual traits. Art and bodies can both be beautiful/interesting, but I have to believe that the person behind the art/body is infinitely more so.

So, I'll dismount that high horse now. *LOL*

Cephlah · Post by **Cephlah** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:25 am

Ugh, sorry...internet problems.

Also I can't figure out the quote thing.

Chai Guy · Post by **Chai Guy** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:34 am

To use the quote function, go into your "PROFILE" (click link at the top of your screen) and check the boxes marked Always allow html and Always allow BB code, then save those changes.

I can relate on some level to what your saying about the desire to be seen as a person. I like to dress up in costumes and I really don't mind when people want to take my picture at all (in fact I'm really honored) but what does bother me is when people have no interest or thought behind the person wearing the costume. I once went to Oregon Country Fair and had a great time with a fun costume that I made, a lot of people asked for a picture and I got to talk to a bunch of people. Near the end of the day a woman ran up behind me and pulled really hard on my collar. I kinda spun around and she asked for a picture, I said sure (still kind of coughing from being choked) and as soon as the camera when "click" she said "Ya know, I tried to get a picture of you earlier and you TOTALLY ignored me!", wow I said, I'm really sorry about that. "Yeah, I was like HEY YOU, HEY YOU!, and you didn't even turn around!" Ohhhh, I understand now, that's because my name isn't HEY YOU, it's FUCKTARD! She just looked at me and I don't think she "Got it" but she slinked off anyway.

So the moral to the story is, I guess, that some people will "get it" and some people won't. Sometimes its fun to try to educate people, like when RebA! wears her t-shirt that says "If you wanted to see my breasts, you should have been here on Tuesday!" and sometimes its just better to ignore those people.

Do what feels right for you.

lurker · Post by **lurker** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:22 pm

Here is the thing

When you choose to be a part of a public spectacle you don't have the right to demand that it not be a public spectacle.

And, despite anyone's feelings on the matter, that's what CT is, and is meant to be. And in order for it to have any meaning at all, people have to see it. That's why it doesn't take place way out on the playa. It's meant to be seen.

Why is this so hard?

And, during CT people will look, and objectify, all the way through rapt worship of the goddes in every woman(objectifying them as facets of the goddess) to drooling over all the naked titties( do I have to say objectifying them as sex..objects? That doesn't sound quite right) And everything in between.

And some people will take pictures, and some of their thoughts will be prurient, and some will be worshipful--and some will be both.

And that's the glory of it.

All of you who seem to think you're being feministically correct or whatever by whining that pictures shouldn't be taken might as well be telling the rider to go put some clothes on.

The point of CT is that tits are wonderful/awful/banal. They're meant to be looked at/loved/avoided/lusted over/ignored--just like men's tits.

And if we could get over this ridiculous taboo that makes us wrap them in layers of clothing and strappage, maybe we'd all have a lot more fun.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:15 pm

lurker wrote:And, despite anyone's feelings on the matter, that's what CT is, and is meant to be. And in order for it to have any meaning at all, people have to see it. That's why it doesn't take place way out on the playa. It's meant to be seen.

Where'd you read/hear this? Which CT organizer told you this?

The point of CT is that tits are wonderful/awful/banal. They're meant to be looked at/loved/avoided/lusted over/ignored--just like men's tits.

Wrong.

Chai Guy · Post by **Chai Guy** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:34 pm

Wrong.

Why don't you educate us then?

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:38 pm

Chai Guy wrote:
Wrong.

Why don't you educate us then?

I did, extensively, earlier in this very thread. I wish people would educate themselves about what CT is before offering their opinion based on what they think it is (or should be).

Chai Guy · Post by **Chai Guy** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:16 pm

I did, extensively, earlier in this very thread. I wish people would educate themselves about what CT is before offering their opinion based on what they think it is (or should be).

Ok, I went back and re-read all of your posts. Is this the post that supposedly tells us what CT is all about?

I *believe* CT is supposed to be for women only and photography should NOT be allowed anyway. Why don't the women just arm themselves with waterguns/water cannons to drive the point home on photographers?

Does that sum it up? Isn't this just your opinion of what Critical Tits is or should be?

Because I did do some research and this is what I found:

"Critical Tits, women biking en masse with
bare breasts has become an annual event in
Black Rock City.
Pam Seidenman, aka Space Z Cowgirl was
the ringleader of the first Critical Tits on the
playa in 1996. She and four accomplices were
requested to "do something wild and crazy" for
a friend who could not be in attendance that
year. So on the last Friday of that month, coin-
ciding with Critical Mass in San Francisco, they
rode bare-chested and painted, shouting
“Critical Tits!" to the surprise and adoration of
onlookers. By the next year, the ride had taken
on mythic significance and grew accordingly.
Pam is happy that the event has grown
organically. It stands as one of the few strictly
female spaces at Burning Man and is empower-
ing perhaps because of its boldness. Last year,
one could only be awed by the 300 women
appearing from the dust..."

From the Firday, 2001 Black Rock Gazette
http://www.burningman.com/whatisburning ... 01_fri.pdf.

So there is no definitive work that I can find on what Critical Tits is or should be.

I do believe that people should be respectful and ask permission before taking photos, Critical Tits or not.

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:47 pm

I remember reading that the friend who could not attend had breast cancer at the time, but I cannot find my source for that info.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:29 pm

So the moral to the story is, I guess, that some people will "get it" and some people won't

Love the stealthy veiled attempted put down But I really believe that you are the one that is running around like a chicken little shouting for all to hear I got it I got It when in fact you probably never had it and never will get it.
Yep whether you like it or not there are distinct differences between men and women both in body, behavior and expected outcomes. And as much as you think your in touch with your sensitive feminine side I think your just confused.

Perhaps this is just me, but what bothers me isn't the sexualization of my body (tits, ass, whatever), but the fact that I feel less human and more of an object when others are only interested in me visually. Whether they're gawking because I'm sexy or because I'm so UNsexy as to be a spectacle, I don't feel that they are truly seeing ME...only my body.

How do you know that? and how are "we" supposed to truly see "you"
Maybe thru your wonderful smile or the joy you express whatever it is.
I know this male absorbs more than just the spectacle itself there is always some connection going on with the participates on the bikes and the participates on the sidelines.
I believe this is a myth or just a perceived feeling about how Men see Women not the actual way most Men see Women. Men are a very visual beast and we are programmed to see a lot more that tits or ass I believe God programmed us on a very primal level to find suitable compatible child bearing females so tits to feed the babies are important but also general good health, friendly faces/smiles, sexual attraction, helpful attitudes, a giving nurturing nature etc.
I could go on and on all of this mental note taking, assesment and reading takes place in nano seconds visually. And myself and most men I know will find a partially or even fully clothed female much more sexy than a stark naked one and two men will see one women completly different from a attraction point most of the time(exceptions to every rule) Yes there are Frat boys at CT and Republicans at BRC (rumor) should we give everyone a Psyche test? A PC rule book?

I think you just have to be realistic enough to understand that some people are going to be selfish and inconsiderate

Once again Chai guy if some one disagrees with your thought process you throw a little dig in. I am a Man and I am a Photographer that is my art that is all I have besides participation that does not make me selfish and inconsiderate nor a Yahoo!.

All of you who seem to think you're being feministically correct or whatever by whining that pictures shouldn't be taken might as well be telling the rider to go put some clothes on.

I agree with everything Lurker said so much better than I could especially this point.

I also noticed no one complains about Women Photographers? what happened to equal rights when they do not suit the agenda are they disregarded? The very first post on this subject was bait and I took it hook line and sinker!

But Men need to sometimes speak up for we have rights and feelings too.
If they clash with Womens rights and feelings so be it for that is life. No side is right just different I will leave it a that.

Chai Guy · Post by **Chai Guy** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:57 pm

Love the stealthy veiled attempted put down

Really wasn't meant to be a put down, but when I re-read it, yeah, it sure came out that way. Sorry about that. What I meant to say is that some people will see you as a whole person and some people will just see tits, and that's too bad for the person who just sees tits, it's their loss.

How do you know that? and how are "we" supposed to truly see "you"

During my first year at the event there was a free mass shower. A guy walked through my camp with a video camera and asked for directions. I asked him what he was going to do, he pointed to his camera and said "I'm gonna get me some boobie shots!" and strolled off. I'm pretty sure that guy wasn't looking to connect with another human being. Of course I could be wrong, that's just my perception. Same holds true for the photographers I've seen at critical tits with the pro video equipment and telephoto lenses, again, just my perception.

I've always found the best way to truly see someone is to share something of yourself first, which is difficult to do when a camera is placed between that interaction.

Well, my point here is that people (not just men) should ask permission before taking photos, at critical tits or otherwise. That's my whole issue here, it has nothing to do with standing on the sidelines and cheering for boobies *Yay Boobies!*

I know that not everyone agrees with that sentiment (mostly photographers) so I guess we'll just agree to disagree on that issue.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:36 pm

Well then we agree.....This issue is over at least for me
For myself got a new thread I am working on...

Oh Yeah I will offer you a cold beer and a handshake if i see ya on the Playa

Bob

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:45 pm

Last note: This photographer just went thru his CT photo's not one telephoto booby shot just a lot of beautiful faces on lots of very gorgeous women every single one of them gorgeous regardless of body size, body type, age, scars, or whatever! The glow of a few minutes of luscious glorious freedom showed on all of their beautiful smiling faces

Love ya all

Chai Guy · Post by **Chai Guy** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:35 pm

I'd love to take you up on that, hope to see you out there!

Critical Tits photography

How about give the camera creeps a......

Sunlight is the best medicine

UGLY FAT MAN BOOB'S or a nice rack o tit's

Lets ban all men from Burning Man those nasty sweaty men

In defense of Men and Photography