Landmark Forums i.e. EST is targeting Burners

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:26 pm

Jungfraueigerbane wrote:
[color=red]Rob the Wop[/color] wrote:
[color=blue]Jungfraueigerbane[/color] wrote:mind
is meaningless.

Show me independant research on whatever it is you're trying to say.
not trying to say... saying

you're trying to understand

effort is not mine, it's yours to put forth

"These are not the droids you are looking for."

Wow. So if I spent $400 to go to a Landmark forum, I can become enlightened? Could you give me some more meaningless, logically void circular reasoning to entice me to become enlightened?

Or would asking for some kind of description of 'enlightenment' before throwing down money be too weird a concept for ya?

Well, you know what they say about New Age enlightened beings...
there's one born every minute.

Jungfraueigerbane · Post by **Jungfraueigerbane** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:59 pm

why would i want to enlighten you?

non-landmark maharishis call me mayavin, lord of illusions and dreams...

maya, who takes the form of the three material modes of ignorance, passion, and goodness, is your problem

any of the above is usefull to me

Jungfraueigerbane · Post by **Jungfraueigerbane** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:04 am

might eat your soul, though...

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 5:53 am

Interesting.....

http://people.tribe.net/tribe/servlet/mayavin

and....

Mayavi-rupa (Sanskrit) [from mayavin illusory from maya illusion + rupa form] Illusory body or thought-body, a higher astral-mental form. The projection of thought-consciousness-will power to any distant place while the physical body is left "entranced." It is the whole man except the sthula-sarira (physical body), the linga-sarira (the astral or model-body) and prana. This projection can assume any form at the will of the adept. This body is called illusory because when it has accomplished its purpose, it is withdrawn and thus disappears. Synonymous with protean soul, the medieval German doppelganger, and the Tibetan hpho-wa.

Not to be rude but the objectives of a sock puppet are pretty much one and the same without resorting to using all the mystical mumbo-jumbo to cover one's ass. In any event if you are one of these "Maya" types making statements like this.....

why would i want to enlighten you?

you need to go back and brush up on what it's all about. You've seriously missed something.

((I wish the Fire Elf would return...this new character we've seen is downright obnoxious))

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:48 am

Jungfraueigerbane wrote:why would i want to enlighten you?

non-landmark maharishis call me mayavin, lord of illusions and dreams...

maya, who takes the form of the three material modes of ignorance, passion, and goodness, is your problem

any of the above is usefull to me

Dude, you're seriously funny.

Non-landmark people simply call you another useless hippy. Unfortunately, you think you're Yoda too. Simply professing that you have secret knowledge that makes you a 'superior being' doesn't mean you actually possess said knowledge.

All I'm asking is some form of proof that vindicates the Landmark forums.

If you feel the need to 'show off', then you do not possess the internal reserves found in enlightened beings BTW.

DoctorIknow · Post by **DoctorIknow** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:03 am

Mr. Rob:

How about you providing proof that Christianity works....

It was a cult for a long time!

Give me data!
Give me stats!
No anecdotes

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:16 am

Jungfraueigerbane wrote:why would i want to enlighten you?

non-landmark maharishis call me mayavin, lord of illusions and dreams...

maya, who takes the form of the three material modes of ignorance, passion, and goodness, is your problem

any of the above is usefull to me

Pulling out my Tarot cards... Yep. Umm Hmm... Just what we expected...

Oops. Can't tell you what I see, tho... if I had to tell you, you wouldn't be deserving of knowing.

Then I'd have to eat you. Just like the character in Bubba Ho-Tep. Bleah.

To quote this biker guy I knew, when told something similar to the above quote a coule decades ago... "Enlighten this." (I'm sure you're enlightened enough to know the appendage he was grabbing when he sayeth this...)

Bayabridgiasusalini, kundalini maharishi of oshkosh, purveyor of secrets of Niemh, brewer of incensed insence, and general troublemaker, sayeth the following...

Вы говорите тарабарщину. Запахи хомяков и полыни. Тракторы, турнепсы, батокс! Смех карточек в ваш общееа руководство.

I have spoken. Heed and obey.

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:18 am

DoctorIknow wrote: How about you providing proof that Christianity works....

It was a cult for a long time!

You just proved it yourself. And it's not a "was" it's an "is".

If it didn't work, you wouldn't even know it existed.

Now returning this keyboard to normal insanity...

DoctorIknow · Post by **DoctorIknow** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:42 am

BayBridgeSue:

I'm not understanding your thesis.

Are you saying Christianity is a cult even now?

or

Are you saying that because Christianity is an "is" (oh my gosh, NOW I know why Clinton brought up the meaning of "is" LOL) that it is no longer a cult,

which, if the case,

would make Landmark NOT a cult because since we are talking about it as an is (and both happy and disgruntled seminarians of Landmark can attest that it is an "is") and not a "was."

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:57 am

DoctorIknow wrote:BayBridgeSue:

I'm not understanding your thesis.

That's because is NOT thesis, is post to silly bulletin board. Am not here to think. Am here to entertain and enlighten.

BTW - what does any of this have to do with Landmark or est or any of similar stuff? Unrelevant thread drift.

Or are you trying to drag Christianity to a totally unrelated thread? Hmmm... thought so.

Тракторы, турнепсы, батокс!
Б. Б. Суз… ИЗ

________

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DON'T BE A FART! DO YOUR PART!
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the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:00 am

Kinetic IV wrote:Interesting.....
why would i want to enlighten you?
((I wish the Fire Elf would return...this new character we've seen is downright obnoxious))

"obnoxious" is a valid expression of being...and sometimes it takes an alarm clock to get people's attention directed toward waking...

asking why i should get involved in someone else's enlightenment process is a fair question...

if it's for egoic reasons, it's opposed to my own path and practice...a waste of my effort, as well as theirs...

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:08 am

the fire elf wrote:
Kinetic IV wrote:Interesting.....
why would i want to enlighten you?
((I wish the Fire Elf would return...this new character we've seen is downright obnoxious))
"obnoxious" is a valid expression of being... a waste of my effort, as well as theirs...

Oops - funky edit there, sorry. Cute, tho...

Nothing that energy is put into is ever a waste. NEVER.

Even if you find no value in it, others may find it extremely valuable. Even entertaining.

bb

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:09 am

DoctorIknow wrote:Mr. Rob:

How about you providing proof that Christianity works....

It was a cult for a long time!

Give me data!
Give me stats!
No anecdotes

Define 'works'.

Landmark Forums make claims of enhancing people's lives. I'm asking about the methodology and its effectiveness. They are asking for quite a bit of money to 'enhance' someone's life.

Christianity does not require a down payment. Also they make no effort to hide how they get new members or what their training or knowledge entails. You can pick up a bible anywhere and get the information you need. Hell, ask any priest- they'll be more than glad to fill you in for free.

Stats and data can be found, of that I'm sure. How many drop out of the fold, how many feel better about their lives after discovering religion X, etc.

Where is this information about the Landmark Forums? More importantly, why are they charging?

Jungfraueigerbane · Post by **Jungfraueigerbane** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:10 am

Rob the Wop wrote:
Jungfraueigerbane wrote: secret knowledge that makes you a 'superior being' doesn't mean you actually possess said knowledge.

All I'm asking is some form of proof that vindicates the Landmark forums.

my knowledge would only seem secret to those who haven't bothered to find out for themselves

never said i was superior to anyone...we're all made of the same stuff...just configured differently...

vindication:
To justify or prove the worth of, especially in light of later developments
(is not my line of work)

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:17 am

Bay Bridge Sue wrote:
the fire elf wrote:a waste of my effort, as well as theirs...
Nothing that energy is put into is ever a waste. NEVER.

just rationalizing my abstinence from trying to enlighten others, for the moment...

a proper chef would'nt serve a meal half cooked...

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:21 am

Rob the Wop wrote:More importantly, why are they charging?

they work within the current society's system of resource management...which i consider to be flawed...

nonetheless...they are trying to reach out to people on terms they are used to...

i'm not, so i can't complain...

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:22 am

the fire elf wrote:...a proper chef would'nt serve a meal half cooked...

Or half baked, some would fathom... >>grins<<

Then again, I don't claim to be a proper chef. Not anymore. >giggles<

Tho I can braise a mean liver, and can also barbecue spleen to die over.

bb

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:23 am

fathoming is tricky business...

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:40 am

for the record:

traditional enlightment depends on reflection from the guru...

kalima's a bit of a vindictive bitch, and difficult to work with...

so i project myself onto the internet and work with that...

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:43 am

for those who don't have the 'secret knowledge',
kalima's the embodyment of quarrel and hypocrisy
she consumes hearts and manipulated the aborting of my kid

Jungfraueigerbane · Post by **Jungfraueigerbane** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:47 am

*nothing to do with Landmark, though*

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:56 am

Kalima? As in the Arabic Kalima? Or are you referencing the all powerful Kali?

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:35 pm

The Truth.

It is manifest in your reaction to external stimulus and tempered by your past experiences. The mesh through which you perceive the universe can be made clearer by changing the effect your past experiences has on your internalization of your external stimulus. To be enlightened, you need only use specific enlightenment techniques that will clear your Mesh and allow you to see Truth.

And I'll sell you the pamphlet for only $1000. Cashier's check only please.

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:16 pm

Kinetic IV wrote:Kalima? As in the Arabic Kalima? Or are you referencing the all powerful Kali?

i wouldn't call her all-powerfull...

she would like you to think so, though

it's a sankrit name of an entity working through many simultaneous incarnations

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:17 pm

[color=red]Rob the Wop[/color] wrote:The Truth.

It is manifest in your reaction to external stimulus and tempered by your past experiences. The mesh through which you perceive the universe can be made clearer by changing the effect your past experiences has on your internalization of your external stimulus. To be enlightened, you need only use specific enlightenment techniques that will clear your Mesh and allow you to see Truth.

And I'll sell you the pamphlet for only $1000. Cashier's check only please.

definately gonna eat you

Jungfraueigerbane · Post by **Jungfraueigerbane** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:21 pm

an entity working through many simultaneous incarnations

which is why i'm gonna win

Jungfraueigerbane · Post by **Jungfraueigerbane** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:25 pm

*an entity working simultaneously through many incarnations*

elf's sword · Post by **elf's sword** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:29 pm

*yay·food·chain·world*

elf's sword · Post by **elf's sword** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:32 pm

all power:
http://www.andyweberstudios.com/d_vajrapani.html

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:42 pm

There will always be non-believers and those who question her power. But for those who believe there is no question. No doubts. Nothing but total acceptance and ever expanding awareness.

Whatever she wants she gets. It's just how it is.

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