Free energy for BM 2006

[capjbadger]

Yeah, I've checked out their site and have it bookmarked around here somewhere.

I recall riding through their area last year and being less than impressed with the "systems" I saw. Maybe I just didn't see all the cool things going on inside or something. The only "free energy" systems I saw at all were a few Solar Panel & battery setups.
It was kinda funny. With my solar cell and grey water solar still setup, I got asked more time that I can count if I was the AEZ... *chuckle*

I'm hoping some of them will comment here too since they have more experience as to what works/survives out on the playa.

Oh! That was another system that I'd love to try:

Solar Chimmey (I'm not sure at what sacle this becomes workable though or how I could make one cheaply)

I also really think the ice sellers should look into a Solar powered Amonia Icemaker. Could be made very cheaply and the ice is basicly free. Just add water and sunlight...

[Gravity Mike]

Its not a shit fight, its a good debate. Mike has brought up many good points and forced me to do my homework. Hell, I've learned a few things during all this from having to do the research. A good debate is good for you. Gets the blood flowing (non-externaly) and the brain working. :)

Cheers Badger, I feel the same way. Nice summary in the end, too. And like you said, back on topic. Well, maybe this is another off-topic:

Tell me about your grey water solar still. Sounds intriguing. I had a crazy ass water evaopator. My partner in crime built a gray water filter, and I evaporated the effluent. Around 70 gallons/day for our camp (~45 due to a wedding) in around 2-3 hours, which is good, but the whole system (including the shower set-ups and kitchen sink too) was way too much daily maintenance. That and being in the theme-camp sticks at 4:30/Fetish really detracted from my roaming time last year - so we want to do it differently this year.

The technical challenge was fun, but I'd rather do something for folks other than my campmates to enjoy - although many did stop to enjoy the mist when the wind blew it across Fetish!

In 2004 I went on a AEZ 'tour.' Mostly solar panels and batteries, like you said. They don't claim to be innovative. However, they did filter alot of gray water and use it for misting (which resulted in the project above - although we used a generator to power it), turned me on to aluminet, and used lots of sun ovens.

Gravity

[capjbadger]

My still was pretty straight foward. Nothing new really. I was basicly this: http://www.solaqua.com/solstilbas.html with an auto feed bucket. It ran well during home testing.
One problem I knew. I didn't bring the rain-x wipes for the glass. Once the glass got coated in dust on the collection side before we set it up, the water didn't collect very well on it.
The second problem I'm not sure as to what happened. My auto feed was like a office water cooler. Once the main water level drops below the opening of the top water container, it goes "glug glug" and refills the main resivor until the opening is covered again. But something didn't work right. I'd check it in the morning only to find that the main resivor had overflowed. I'm not sur why. I may of had a air leak in the feed bucket (It needed to be sealed for this to work right), or it might of been weird pressures happening from the colds nights.

My fault for not testing the auto feed at home. The other part worked like a dream. I built it with a black plastic liner since it could fold up, but found out that you have to keep water in it. I let it get a little too dry in there on a mild sunny day, and when I came back 10 minutes later, it had gotten so hot in there that some of the non water covered plastic had melted! When I unsealed it and raised the glass sheet (A double pained sliding glass door) steam rushed out.
I also had a big bit of cardboard covered with aluminum foil as a reflector on it to add even more sulight to it.

Here'e me in by the still with my dome (looks like a damn igloo) behind me.
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/ph ... 0ebdfa3254

I plan on something smaller and easier for this year. That glass door is freakin' HEAVY!

[bringer]

Gravity Mike said:
"In 2004 I went on a AEZ 'tour.' Mostly solar panels and batteries, like you said. They don't claim to be innovative. However, they did filter alot of gray water and use it for misting (which resulted in the project above - although we used a generator to power it), turned me on to aluminet, and used lots of sun ovens."


don't forget that they are genny free. Thats got to cut down on the decibels.

[capjbadger]

I've seen some generators that are very quiet...

But then again I'd rather use the gas for my art car.

[Rabbi Dali Rick]

doh!

[Gravity Mike]

My still was pretty straight foward. Nothing new really. I was basicly this: http://www.solaqua.com/solstilbas.html with an auto feed bucket.

Oh, I see, you were 'reclaiming' gray waste. We were just getting rid of it. Basically, a 3000 cfm fan blowing up a cylendical tower with 30 gal/hr of misters! We pre filtered only for 2 reasons - who would want that crap raining down on them, and to stop the misters from clogging. Probably 1/3 to 1/2 of the water condensced and needed recapture to send back up. We had to manually stage our filtering cycles, evap cycles, and even manually feed the condensced water back into the intake (serious mistake).

How much were you able to reclaim/day?

Generators are banned form AEZ on principle, not just noise. Still, when you look at the cost for 1KW of panels vs. a 1kW genny, and it's for one week/year, the choice is clear. Now if you have uses for the panels more than one week/yr, the panels may make more sense.

Gravity.

[capjbadger]

Rabbi,

I am familiar with alot of JLN's work and am typicaly impressed with his work, even if I sometimes disagree with some of his numbers.

After looking at this SMOT thing, looks interesting, but my gut tells me there is a problem with this setup... I'll have to play with this some and figure out how one would pull power from it if it could be made tio work in a cyclical fashion.


Mike,

Hmmm.. interesting system.

Well in tests, I could get about 5-7gals/day if I'm remebering correctly. Sadly there was some issues out on the playa, so it just got rid of alot of water.

[can't sit still]

"ask any physics teacher"
You can ask any physics teacher and you won't find one iota of this. http://www.chronos.msu.ru/EREPORTS/oleinik_electron.pdf
It's Ruskie and it seems to hold up very well. They tie together the work of many people.
It looks like supraluminal communication is not too far off.
It also looks like Douglas Adams was right on with his improbability drive.
Time will tell, but the Ruskies do good solid work. I'm going to post another Ruskie document that has some really off the wall ideas that are fascinating.
Dan

[Gravity Mike]

"ask any physics teacher"
You can ask any physics teacher and you won't find one iota of this. http://www.chronos.msu.ru/EREPORTS/oleinik_electron.pdf

That's because it doesn't make any sense, and is mostly conjecture, not supported science. No different from all the 'experiments' over the years that 'prove' psychic abilities, telekinesis, etc....

Gravity

[capjbadger]

That's because it doesn't make any sense, and is mostly conjecture, not supported science. No different from all the 'experiments' over the years that 'prove' psychic abilities, telekinesis, etc....

Agreed. Lets get back to brainstoming ideas for free energy systems to bring out to BM rather than wasting time over wishful "science" that, even if right, isn't going to help us here.

[can't sit still]

Many of the investigations into tapping energy that we don't presently tap center around the idea that there are other flows of energy that parallel the electron flow. They are referred to as laminar flow generally.

Tesla noted that when they switched on high current DC, there was a momentary spike of energy leaking from the conductors that would sting you completely different from a normal electrical shock. It even killed on occasion.

Tesla invented the AC system that switches the flow 60 times a second. Part of his reasoning was to cancel the leakage from the parallel energies.

If you stand under a high tension line, you're not receiving electrons. You're receiving energy from loosly defined electrical and magnetic fields.
We can't see these energies. There is some evidence that Leedskalnin could. We can see plasma and corona and aurora, but we have to depend on instruments to measure other flows. As most people know instruments can't detect things that they were not designed to detect. You can't check a pulse with a thermometer.

We know practically nothing of scalar energy so we haven't designed detectors. Badger, you should know the experiment that JLN designed with the caduceus coil to prove the existence of scalar energy. It proves it irrefutedly. Bearden gave suggestions to Bedini to build a scalar detector but the rest of us mortals don't have such a device.

It's that simple; you can produce scalar waves with the caduceus coil or the 2 magnet device[Bedini] Detection is a different matter. It's very difficult with present science. We aren't there yet!!!!

The Bedini device that I'm building relies on resonance to tap into the laminar flow. We'll see if it works.
The paper that I cited above talks very clearly about the field of the electron being practicly a seperate entity and also being responsible for many of the attributes that we call matter. As everyone knows, the more that you break apart the atom, the more energy fields you find. It starts to appear that all you have is energy. The Ruskie paper talks about the field of the electron being at the base of "matter"

From a logical and introspective point of view, it would appear that when you have an electron flow, you would have a parallel flow of the fields of the electrons too. This would give a logical starting point for explaining the laminar flow that seems to accompany the electron flow.

Obviously, I don't expect everyone to be interested or understand the Ruskie paper, but it explains in a general fashion that there are other components to an electron flow.

mike, I'm sure that your arguments are much the same as the arguments that people used to refute the work of Galvanni. Time will tell.
Dan

[bringer]

Scalar:

* In mathematics, scalars are components of vector spaces (and modules), usually real numbers which can be multiplied into vectors by scalar multiplication, or produced from vectors by scalar product. The real component of a quaternion is also called the scalar part. See scalar (mathematics).

* In physics, a scalar is a simple physical quantity that does not change under a change of coordinate system; for example, speed (180 km/h) is a scalar, while velocity (180 km/h north) is a vector.

* In computing, a scalar is a variable or field that can hold only one value at a time; as opposed to composite variables like array, list, record, etc.. In some contexts, a scalar value may be understood to be numeric. A scalar data type is the type of a scalar variable. For example, char, int, float, and double are the most common scalar data types in the C programming language.

[can't sit still]

You can bet your slide rule that I don't know squat about quaternions.

[Rabbi Dali Rick]

shit...... i can't get my x-ray glasses to work. hmmmm maybe it's the fusion batteries.

[can't sit still]

This page has some well presented info. http://www.geocities.com/captpjk/patents.html
Dan

[DVD Burner]

WOW!

This thread has turned out fantastic. It's great to see a thread that even brings out the even the Rabbi Dali Rick.

Great job CSS.

[can't sit still]

Thanks DVD. Everyone wonders at times if what they have to say is of any interest to others. I ordered a couple more books from Bearden and Johnson. I'm slowly closing in on the fundamentals. I'm smart but far from brilliant so I blank out in a lot of places.
If my understanding isn't completely off , it seems that the electron flow goes down the wire and the electron field runs in a cylindrical flow out from the conductor. I'm trying to get the electron field flow to do work. It's hard to capture.
I'm ambivalent about all this.

If this works out well, I'll probably have to leave the country,,,no more Burning Man. My uncle Sam already has me standing in front of a federal cell with a 10 year tag. He can boot my ass in with a flick of a pen. Oh yeah and $300,000 too.
At the next BM, I'll be carrying my passport, my .44 and my silver.
Dan

[DVD Burner]

Hey CSS,

i stumbled across this while talking poitics with someone on another board.

Looks like you may be on to something with the free energy:



http://sustainability.tribe.net/thread/ ... a734a65ffa



check it out.

[can't sit still]

I checked it out. First time I've been anywhere near tribe. They seem a tiny bit more caustic than here. Funny that the guys name is Dan.

The guy is dreaming if he thinks that he can pull hydrogen out of electrolysis/solution at 300 psi. I don't see how even a catalyst could manage that. You know what happens when you catalyse 98% H2O2.
It's called a rocket car.
Some stuff would apply to replacing power lines and some stuff would apply to people living off the grid. Here's one for the off-grid people.
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/e ... teries.htm
http://www.icehouse.net/john34/stublefield1.html

This has several pages. I think the output depends a great deal on lay lines etc. http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet ... bpage1.htm

The guy had a real good phone too.
http://www.icehouse.net/john34/stubblefield.html

I read somewhere that you can receive radio and TV with a ground antenna. I'm in a bad spot for reception so I tried it. I wound a small coil of copper tubing and burried it. I get decent TV reception.

I'm progressing with my FE project, but i've had to put it on hold lately.
I should make some headway tomorrow.
Dan

[Rabbi Dali Rick]

Nano Nuclear Reactor Batteries.... Available now at Sears.



Problem Solved.


the rebbi

[cowboyangel]

Rebi...circumcise me...again!

[Rabbi Dali Rick]

Nano Nuclear Reactor tabletop unit.... Available soon at Sears.



http://www.physorg.com/news10806.html


the rebbi

[DVD Burner]

pretty fucking cool.

[can't sit still]

Rabbi, that's the coolest link i've seen in a long time. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kinetic IV]

Slashdot of all places is running a short blurb about a new development in electromagnetic motors where you get more energy out than you put into it....it's called Parallel Path Electromagnetism and it looks pretty interesting. The short Slashdot story links to this site....here's a short url for it.

http://tinyurl.com/qosd5

I approach these stories with a healthy dose of skepticism but this one appears to have the backing of Boeing's Phantom Works and seems to pass muster. Slashdot has a pretty good BS filter IMHO too so that also got over the credibility hump. When I came across this I thought about this thread....it might be something of interest on down the road.

[can't sit still]

CCyclone, Adams, De Palma, Nueman, Bearden,Johnson and Bedini,,,,, they're all trying to transduce Zero Point Energy into electrical energy. by using permanent magnets as an attractant/transducer. Gray evidently had the best magnet motor. The LA district attorney confiscated all his plans and prototypes and arrested him. No charges were filed. A little while after that he got a hammer through the head.

The difficult part is to store or utilize it. Bedini takes the approach of using the ZPE to move the ions in a battery instead of the electron flow. That's why I'm building the Bedini oscillator.

It HAS to happen pretty soon.
The site that you posted looks good. With Boeing backing it, It would be harder to starve or suppress.
Dan

[inteli-ride]

In the spirit of new playa energy technologies I'd like to point out some patents I ran across, the company listed below is ...

Printing photo-voltaics on fils using a roll to roll printing method..
http://www.konarka.com/

They also have filed some IP for printing the same photo-voltaic sturctures on fabric.. Looks a few burns out IMHO but technology may shut down those generators yet..

[dragonfly Jafe]

...the military already has fabric that has solar cells built into. Tents and garments now can provide their own power. I would bet that in 3-5 years you will be able to buy this stuff on the civilian market ($$$).

Any progress on that wire in the wind technology? Other than the "prepping" of the wire, it sounded pretty easy to prove/disprove....(and BM has lots of wind...)

[can't sit still]

The wire in the wind has some good possibilities.
http://www.keelynet.com/electret.htm

There are also other apps besides electrets that pick up energy. A big HAM antenna usually has a lot of potential. It seems that any elevated conductor will pick up electricity of some sort or another.

http://f3wm.free.fr/sciences/jefimenko.html

I read that many bridges have an extremely high potential.

I bought a big condenser coil from an AC unit. It's got millions of little fingers on the coil. It should pick up lots of various RF energy.
They make various devices for converting RF energy to usable power. http://f3wm.free.fr/sciences/jefimenko.html
I'm afraid that it's at least 2 projects down the list.
Dan