Religion debate

MoisturePup · Post by **MoisturePup** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:18 pm

I'm starting this thread because I felt like I was hijacking the thread made by a Muslim burner enquiring about Mulsims, into my own personal jihad on religion in general. What a thread drift!

That said I thought the discussion was interesting, flame war potential or not, and would like to continue having it in this thread.

I just came across this piece that scares the bejeebus outta me:

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/artic ... 4809990044

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Christian Movement Moving Into Palmetto State

(Feb. 22) - From his rural home near Lodi, Calif., Cory Burnell keeps close watch over the news from South Carolina, and he likes what he sees.

Turning the state into a promised land for conservative Christians will be easier than he had thought, he says.

Burnell, a 30-year-old financial adviser and founder of Christian Exodus, believes thousands of religious conservatives across the USA agree with him when he says their influence on government is diluted by liberals and Republicans who have failed to do what mainstream Americans elected them to do.

The answer he came up with in late 2003: Move like-minded Christians to one state: South Carolina.

The state was a logical choice. It already is conservative, having played a major role in the rise of the Republican Party since Ronald Reagan. And it's home to 750,000 Southern Baptists and Bob Jones University, a fundamentalist Christian institution.

Burnell's plan is to recruit conservative Christians to move here and tip the scales further right.

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Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:42 pm

But what about those who are in - or from - South Carolina who don't agree with his narrow view on life?

Some things ring a little *too* close to 1940's Germany. After all, look what *that* state did to those who didn't follow the state belief system...

We already have one state - Utah - which is of one primary religion. Sure, if you're of one sect of that religion you fit in, and life is ducky. If not, you are suborned to a second - sometimes 3rd or 5th or 9th - class citizen.

Of course, Utah and the LDS church were from the approximate same era, and as such it became a natural magnet for those who believed in that faith. And those who moved to Utah realized it was run by the LDS church. Actually, I kniow non-LDS people who like Utah. Why not? I like Nevada... >grins<

However... South Carolina isn't even remotely similar, having a history and traditions that reach far behind the current hyper-christianity du jour as Burnell sees it. What if you're not of their religion? What if you're a Methodist, or Catholic, and your family has lived there since it was a colony?

Oops, best put on this yellow star, there... gotta make sure the populace knows who the evil, satanic non-believers are. After all, those non-believers are the source of all our problems, right?...

Why is it... the further down this evangelical hyperchristian bornagain path these people get, the further away from the whole Christ centeredness they use as their trademark they get and the closer to "that other side" they become?

Maybe... their religion is driven by that... "other" judeochristian entity...

Doubt? Actions speak louder than words. And their actions, for the most part, are about as anti-Christ as you can get. Hate, separatism, distrust, fear, loathing...

Of course... didn't they nsay the devil satan thingy would appear to be the true believer, and millions would follow him??? Of course,,, Revelation warns that someone who is smart enough to figure it out can and will...

Something to think about, mon'cherie.

bb

(ps - thanks for breaking this foo from the other thread, MP)

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:08 pm

Strictly speaking, this topic area is about BURNING MAN -- not that I have a stake in where you take it from here, but the other "religion" thread you pissed on, whatever you think of the sentiments of the OP, at least had something to do with BURNING MAN. There's an "Open Discussion" topic area intended for drivel that has nothing to do with BURNING MAN.

Utah is 60% LDS, and Nevada is 3%, despite mid-19th C. missionary efforts, AFAIK.

MoisturePup · Post by **MoisturePup** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:28 pm

Bob wrote:Strictly speaking, this topic area is about BURNING MAN -- not that I have a stake in where you take it from here, but the other "religion" thread you pissed on, whatever you think of the sentiments of the OP, at least had something to do with BURNING MAN. There's an "Open Discussion" topic area intended for drivel that has nothing to do with BURNING MAN.

Bob, do you freak out when things aren't put into the filing cabinet you think they should be in? I bet you do, and I bet people around you know you do, and I'd further bet they put things in the wrong filing cabinet on purpose just to watch you go ape shit.

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:32 pm

Bob does have a point. Technically the thread does belong in open discussion and not here.

And is there a need for the psychoanalysis stuff?

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:06 pm

Given that the article touches on a political movement, and religion can technically come under philosophy after a fashion, I myself have no problem with the placement. [shrug]

It's academic anyway.

Personal reaction to the article: Good. Now I know where to NOT go. [Putting "South Carolina" down alongside "Lancaster County, Pennsylvania" and "South Dakota"]

MoisturePup · Post by **MoisturePup** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:15 pm

diane o'thirst wrote:Given that the article touches on a political movement, and religion can technically come under philosophy after a fashion, I myself have no problem with the placement. [shrug]

It's academic anyway.

Personal reaction to the article: Good. Now I know where to NOT go. [Putting "South Carolina" down alongside "Lancaster County, Pennsylvania" and "South Dakota"]

All fine and dandy except that they could end up with two solid US senate seats and a handful of congressional seats.

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:26 pm

They don't now?

Maybe I'm being complacently bitter, or maybe I'm just too tired to care right now, but my feeling is that we wouldn't see an immediate difference. I mean, it's not like they're going to go Moderate anytime soon anyway. California has more chance of a swing to the Right than South Carolina to break Left.

Let 'em have it, they'll pull enough rope to hang themselves.

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:35 am

Oh no... it's the church police!!!

Ummm... what an idea for a BRC gig... get an old brit cab, and the occupants get out of the dab, wearing clerical garb and a badge, writing tickets over what they find offensive to them and them alone...

I can see this. It could happen.

Then again, maybe I'm just in a romantically Pythonian mood...

Back to the printer...

bb

MoisturePup · Post by **MoisturePup** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:29 am

Bay Bridge Sue wrote:Oh no... it's the church police!!!

Ummm... what an idea for a BRC gig... get an old brit cab, and the occupants get out of the dab, wearing clerical garb and a badge, writing tickets over what they find offensive to them and them alone...

I can see this. It could happen.

Then again, maybe I'm just in a romantically Pythonian mood...

Back to the printer...

bb

Ooooh... The Keystone Clergy!

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:42 am

I think there's a good BM project idea lurking here....hmmm. Possibilities, possibilities! This could be fun.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:22 am

MoisturePup wrote:I'm starting this thread because I felt like I was hijacking the thread made by a Muslim burner enquiring about Mulsims, into my own personal jihad on religion in general. What a thread drift!

You know there are other threads on this topic. You could have just apologized on the thread you drifted and started posting on the other religious threads.

AIIZ

MoisturePup · Post by **MoisturePup** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:55 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
MoisturePup wrote:I'm starting this thread because I felt like I was hijacking the thread made by a Muslim burner enquiring about Mulsims, into my own personal jihad on religion in general. What a thread drift!
You know there are other threads on this topic. You could have just apologized on the thread you drifted and started posting on the other religious threads.

AIIZ

What would I be apologizing for? I didn't feel bad for hijacking Starjacks "Are there any magical cloud beings worship session, only for other people who believe in this specific magical could being?" thread. I just started this new thread so that he could get the answers he was seeking in the thread he started, and so that others would stop bashing islam specifically (bashing any specific religion is as distasteful to me, as my
"thinking everybody who believes in any religion is an idiot" is probably distasteful to you.)

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:15 pm

What would I be apologizing for?

Jackassery for starters.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:43 am

MoisturePup wrote: I just started this new thread so that he could get the answers he was seeking in the thread he started

So where is your "Magical Cloud Being" thread?

AIIZ

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