What are women about, really?

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:14 pm

Bay Bridge Sue wrote:
helitack wrote:What are women about?

They are about Love
And tenderness
They are about bringing life into the world
They bring a quality to one's world that cannot be described in words
They are about friendship
And trust
They are about unbridled passion
And giving
They are about THE smile, and there are hundreds of versions and meanings of THE smile
And sharing one's deepest fears, dreams or thoughts
Without fear of ridicule
They bring a little bit of beauty to people who recognize that women are very special, especially to me
They are about that look you get, sparkly, fiesty yet very deep and meaningful
And when there is a particular woman that is not present, but you can feel her presence anyway, Wow

But then, those is just my thoughts
>>swoon...<<

THAT, dear Heli, is what makes you such a rare and wonderful guy. And those of us who know you, know that. If there were more like you...

If only we could have you cloned!

bb

So all we have to do is tell you what you want to hear to make you swoon?

uBeRpLaYa · Post by **uBeRpLaYa** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:18 pm

HughMungus wrote:
Bay Bridge Sue wrote:
helitack wrote:What are women about?

They are about Love
And tenderness
They are about bringing life into the world
They bring a quality to one's world that cannot be described in words
They are about friendship
And trust
They are about unbridled passion
And giving
They are about THE smile, and there are hundreds of versions and meanings of THE smile
And sharing one's deepest fears, dreams or thoughts
Without fear of ridicule
They bring a little bit of beauty to people who recognize that women are very special, especially to me
They are about that look you get, sparkly, fiesty yet very deep and meaningful
And when there is a particular woman that is not present, but you can feel her presence anyway, Wow

But then, those is just my thoughts
>>swoon...<<

THAT, dear Heli, is what makes you such a rare and wonderful guy. And those of us who know you, know that. If there were more like you...

If only we could have you cloned!

bb
So all we have to do is tell you what you want to hear to make you swoon?

fRoM wHaT i kNoW, bAy bRiDe sUe hAs sEeN tHiS oCcUr LiVe aNd iN pErSoN

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:24 pm

No, you have to show it.

I know Heli - we're in the same camp, as are a number of mutual friends. I'm friends with his GF, and have talked with him. I know him personally.

So sorry, hugh... looks like you added yourself to the list. (sadly nodding her head... pulls out clipboard and scribbles something on it...)

This is SAD. Guys, do you ever wonder why women give up on men? You don't have to guess - read it for yourself. RIGHT HERE.

Insensitive? Heartbreaking. Totally.

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:24 pm

Bay Bridge Sue wrote: (fuse is lit... best run the fuck away... now.)

What sanctomonious, totally Cretanic, Fucking Outrageous, Absolute BULLSHIT.

i like playing with explosives...

you see bullshit?

i see a valid conclusion on cloned life vs. natural birth...

i also see you putting soo much weight into words that soo few could disturb you soo much...

the curse of the babylon must weigh heavy on your shoulders...

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:28 pm

But are you truly an expert on answering the question "what do women want"?

My guess (only a guess) from your comment is no. You haven't a clue. In fact, on further contemplation (my final on that thought) is you really are exhibiting clue-less behavior.

And... BTW... what curse of Babylon? Why would it weight upon MY shoulders? Never mind - you don't have to answer that. Probably wouldn't waste my time answering it anyway...

********

What I find most amazing is how... threatened... a couple people can be from my complimenting a friend.

I tell a personal friend he should be cloned, and look what happens. Yeesh.

Really should surprise me more than it did.

********

Anyway, I'm through with this fishbait. I have far better things to do with my time than beat my head against a cross-thatch patterned cinderblock wall.

(and they ask - What's the relevance of cross-thatch paterned cinderblock...)

arrebaderci...
bb

Mozy bonz · Post by **Mozy bonz** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:35 pm

Well this is an interesting thread.

My opinion comes from 27 years with my best friend. That is not to say that I am some kind of expert on women. Only that I have come to appreciate them as much as Heli does.
This is for those of you that just have not found that best friend, wife, girl friend; you really need to read what Heli wrote. And understand that *finding* the right person is for you to *be the right person*. If you expect a person to make them self into what you want them to be. Then you will never under stand what it means to have that sole mate.

It is very clear to me that Heli has been very deep in love with someone and in not just saying something that women want to hear. The word would not have been so correct if he did not understand women. I cannot put it any better that Heli has. So I will leave it at that.

One piece of advice…in a argument no when and how to stop and shut the fuck up and know how to say you are sorry even when you are sure you are right. The argument can be worse than what you are arguing about.

So… May you all find you best friend it is a very blissful place to be.

Listen the women on this thread they are telling just what you want to know. Now just you just need to listen and understand it.

But that is just IMHO….

OK back to the two-word post.

Hi sue

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:54 pm

Bay Bridge Sue wrote:But are you truly an expert on answering the question "what do women want?"

the desires of women are as varied and complex as the forms of life on this little planet...

and there are as many ways of fullfilling them as there are stars in the sky...

i worship yoni, and it is a practice which is ever taking on deeper and deeper meaning...

for you to fully know my expertise, you would have to be a woman who i considered hungry for and capable of handling my advances...

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:09 pm

the fire elf wrote: i worship yoni, and it is a practice which is ever taking on deeper and deeper meaning...

for you to fully know my expertise, you would have to be a woman who i considered hungry for and capable of handling my advances...

The shallowness of those statements speaks volumes. Fire Elf, you have my pity.

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:21 pm

i do appear very shallow to some...

it's a trait that has even served me well...

circumvents exposing depths some would find disturbing...

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:26 pm

Mozy bonz wrote:Well this is an interesting thread.

OK back to the two-word post.

Hi sue

Hi Moz...

~>~>~qUiVeR~<~<~

Nice stars...

>>giggles<<

Thanks, hon, for putting it in perspective. Looks like it's turning out to be *quite* the comedy show!!

(I can't say it. Stands out like, well, you know. It IS sad...)

Damn, we oughta... never mind. >grins<

>>aah yah yah YAHHH YAIAIAIAIAEEEEIE! WOOOOAAARGHAHHAHARE!!! Ahh ahh ahh<<

Phew!!

bb

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:32 pm

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:37 pm

Looks like it's turning out to be *quite* the comedy show!!

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:39 pm

Kinetic IV wrote:Fire Elf, you have my pity.

gee...thankx...

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:41 pm

uBeRpLaYa · Post by **uBeRpLaYa** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:43 pm

pErHaPs eLf yOu ShOuLd mAkE a sHoRt fIeLd tRiP tO wHeRe i wOrK aNd yOu wOuLd sEe hOw i kNoW wHaT wOmEn dOn'T wAnT

Mozy bonz · Post by **Mozy bonz** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:44 pm

Glad I could Help Sue.

Sweet nectar smooch

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:52 pm

i kNoW wHaT wOmEn dOn'T wAnT

well then, care to elaborate?

uBeRpLaYa · Post by **uBeRpLaYa** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:54 pm

LiKe i sAiD, a fIeLd tRiP wOuLd bE nEcEsSaRy

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:56 pm

uBeRpLaYa wrote:LiKe i sAiD, a fIeLd tRiP wOuLd bE nEcEsSaRy

well, when you feel like making it, i work as a monk at a temple...

you can come show me at my place of business...

i'm sure it would be highly amusing...

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:05 pm

Bay Bridge Sue wrote:No, you have to show it.

I know Heli - we're in the same camp, as are a number of mutual friends. I'm friends with his GF, and have talked with him. I know him personally.

So sorry, hugh... looks like you added yourself to the list. (sadly nodding her head... pulls out clipboard and scribbles something on it...)

This is SAD. Guys, do you ever wonder why women give up on men? You don't have to guess - read it for yourself. RIGHT HERE.

Insensitive? Heartbreaking. Totally.

What list? From a reader's perspective, someone posted a bunch of positive generalizations about women that we all know are not true for all women (which makes it ludicrous). I just thought it was funny that it appeared that women are so easily impressed (by words). I hate stereotypes and all I saw was a stereotype and responded to it.

What do you mean "why women give up on men"?

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:09 pm

You know, all this "drama" could have been avoided if Heli would have pointed out that he was talking about his experiences with the women in his life instead of having us think that he's making a dumb generalization.

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:14 pm

SED · Post by **SED** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:21 pm

OK folks, as the originator of this thread I feel it's my right and duty to respond to the punk banter it's devolved into.

I didn't make this absolutely clear, but I started this thread after reading Techno's plea. What affected me was her remark about being an attractive young teen and how that led to her self-destructive smoking habit.

It isn't about what women really want, or even what they are about. That's in the disclamer. It's about how our sexuality and gender drive our behavior, and determine our experience.

Fire Elf, I don't care for either the tone or content of your posts. You come off as a womanizing prick. It's pretty hard to imagine you're any sort of monk in a temple, unless for you that means mopping the floor at some skanky titty bar and masturbating every 20 minutes.

Go start your own thread and stop antagonizing people. We used to call that trolling around here.

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:26 pm

HughMungus wrote:You know, all this "drama" could have been avoided if Heli would have pointed out that he was talking about his experiences with the women in his life instead of having us think that he's making a dumb generalization.

Hey, don't blame me for this. Sure I made a generalization from MY OWN EXPERIENCE. There is one that most definetely has my attention but I feel this way about most women. Because they are women. So my words stand.

BigCock · Post by **BigCock** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:50 pm

HughMungus wrote:... I hate stereotypes and all I saw was a stereotype and responded to it ....

I don't know why that's important. Ok, so you can always find an exception that can invalidate a stereotype. But if it's a nice stereotype, what good does invalidating it do most people? It appears to me to be, or rather it is, individualistic, bitter and dark. And getting added to BB Sue's list sucks for you dude! (But I'll bet honestly changing your mind - t'shuvah - could get you back off the list from what I've gleaned about Sue.)

On the other hand, finding and speaking a stereotype that is generally true, positive and respectful - that's transcendently beautiful. That can draw us into a cosmic unity - the cosmic unity - and as such can be holy/wholly. That's important.

Yep, I'm definitely feelin the love for Heli. Salud!

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:08 pm

helitack wrote:
HughMungus wrote:You know, all this "drama" could have been avoided if Heli would have pointed out that he was talking about his experiences with the women in his life instead of having us think that he's making a dumb generalization.
Hey, don't blame me for this. Sure I made a generalization from MY OWN EXPERIENCE. There is one that most definetely has my attention but I feel this way about most women. Because they are women. So my words stand.

Right, so what you posted was not a generalization, it just sounded like one since we didn't know you were talking about the women in your life, not women in general. Sorry, I just hate stereotypes. Even positive sterotypes are destructive.

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:22 pm

SED wrote:Fire Elf, I don't care for either the tone or content of your posts. You come off as a womanizing prick. It's pretty hard to imagine you're any sort of monk in a temple, unless for you that means mopping the floor at some skanky titty bar and masturbating every 20 minutes.

i never asked you to like me...

i follow my natural instincts...

perhaps i'm more beast than man...

i'm ok with that...

can't you be?

BigCock · Post by **BigCock** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:23 pm

HughMungus wrote:Sorry, I just hate stereotypes. Even positive sterotypes are destructive.

So maybe you missed my post? Why do you think this hatred is so important?

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:25 pm

BigCock wrote:
HughMungus wrote:... I hate stereotypes and all I saw was a stereotype and responded to it ....
I don't know why that's important. Ok, so you can always find an exception that can invalidate a stereotype. But if it's a nice stereotype, what good does invalidating it do most people? It appears to me to be, or rather it is, individualistic, bitter and dark. And getting added to BB Sue's list sucks for you dude! (But I'll bet honestly changing your mind - t'shuvah - could get you back off the list from what I've gleaned about Sue.)

On the other hand, finding and speaking a stereotype that is generally true, positive and respectful - that's transcendently beautiful. That can draw us into a cosmic unity - the cosmic unity - and as such can be holy/wholly. That's important.

Yep, I'm definitely feelin the love for Heli. Salud!

Because positive stereotypes are just as stupid and faulty as negative ones and because if you allow positive ones, you are inviting negative ones, also. For example, why is it OK to say, "Women are loving, caring, nurturers" but not OK to say "Women are bitchy, moody and spiteful"? Both are stereotypes. Is the positive one more valid than the negative one just because it doesn't offend anybody?

The positive stereotype is also wrong because it sets up expectations that a group or person might not want to live up to. It replaces what you want people to expect from you with what someone else thinks they should expect from you. If you're a woman who is not particularly loving, caring, or nurturing, does that make you less of a woman? If that's not how you feel about yourself, how would you feel if that's what people keep expecting of you?

BigCock · Post by **BigCock** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:43 pm

HughMungus wrote:Because positive stereotypes are just as stupid and faulty as negative ones and because if you allow positive ones, you are inviting negative ones, also. For example, why is it OK to say, "Women are loving, caring, nurturers" but not OK to say "Women are bitchy, moody and spiteful"? Both are stereotypes. Is the positive one more valid than the negative one just because it doesn't offend anybody?

The difference is the very positiveness of the one and the negativeness of the other. Absolute applicability doesn't matter as much as uplifting unity.

HughMungus wrote:The positive stereotype is also wrong because it sets up expectations that a group or person might not want to live up to. It replaces what you want people to expect from you with what someone else thinks they should expect from you.

... and if someone can pull that off in a way that works for a lot of people like Heli did, it makes lots of people shed tears of joy and love.

Being absolutely universally correct at the expense of creating joy and love is a choice. And not a particularly beautiful one. It may seem stupid, naive or exclusive to honestly state a positive stereotype, but when those moments in your life come when you let go, cross over and feel it ...

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