The L Word

Lydia Love · Post by **Lydia Love** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:43 am

Well I personally feel as if my attempts to be loving and affectionate towards you have been manipulated and jerked around.

AFFG - your mood is not my problem, but I'm sorry anyway.

Kinetic II · Post by **Kinetic II** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:53 am

Trolling the love thread. Yikes, that doesn't sound good...but yeah I was.

In all honesty, I wanted Lydia's views. I see her posts on this board and H's place...and while she's said a few things I don't like, she's said about 5x as much that was good unvarnished observations...stuff most people don't give you. I got the answer I wanted, and Alpha and others added to it. Thank you Lydia & Alpha. I'm going to do my best to not go back to the state of mind I had before. It was miserable.

Back to the topic....Love is walking out to the Point Bonita lighthouse on the Marin Headlands and seeing the GGB on a crystal clear day after the fog burns off. Who couldn't help but love that view?

snowveil · Post by **snowveil** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 10:32 am

no matter how much it hurts....i still love him. so to me the L word is the most incredible connection I have ever felt with the most amazing person...and the deepest pain I have ever known.

aforceforgood · Post by **aforceforgood** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:05 pm

Lydia Love wrote:Well I personally feel as if my attempts to be loving and affectionate towards you have been manipulated and jerked around.

AFFG - your mood is not my problem, but I'm sorry anyway.

True enough, I was just pointing out that you wouldn't squabble like that in the middle of someone's wedding, and I felt like this thread was and could still be a place where we celebrate love and our blessings instead of veering off wildly into side dramas. Yeah, I know thread drift is inevitable, but jeez.

A little etiquette please is the message I was trying to send, not that you were responsible for my mood. I wouldn't come in here and start yapping about politics, because that would be really disruptive and rude and off-topic. And I feel that slamming someone for sharing his innermost feelings expecially when they were perfectly on topic was rude too.

I'm not mad at Kinetic/Ailchinn, I'm sure his intentions were good and that he was trying to help, but it was badly done. As for your response, well, you may see this thread as being something different than I do, and I respect that, but I preferred my vision of a thread where there would be at least one place where we could leave our troubles at the door and celebrate positive things.

After all, we could have another thread for discussion of the problems encountered in our quest for love.

Or even better, I'll start a thread specifically designed for the celebration of love, "The Temple of Love" at; http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... 1025#21025 There, problem solved. Squabble away in this one to your heart's content.

Kinetic II · Post by **Kinetic II** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:07 pm

AFFG, I screwed up again, but there were reasons why. I'm fixing things. Thanks for starting the new thread.

Lydia Love · Post by **Lydia Love** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:21 pm

I'm not mad at Kinetic/Ailchinn, I'm sure his intentions were good and that he was trying to help, but it was badly done. As for your response, well, you may see this thread as being something different than I do, and I respect that, but I preferred my vision of a thread where there would be at least one place where we could leave our troubles at the door and celebrate positive things.

Just consider this.

Sometimes the most loving action is to tell someone when they are fucking up. I don't see what I did here as squabbling. Just taking the most loving action that I saw at that moment. Maybe I should have taken a different path.

Love is always a postive thing IMO - but it isn't always pretty. It's often messy or uncomfortable. Sometimes that's when it's the most valuable. I'm sorry if I stepped on what you or anyone wanted this thread to be - and I won't be making any statements in your thread. For me love takes the troubles by the horns.

And if Patience wants to kick my ass out of this thread I'll let him, no love lost.

aforceforgood · Post by **aforceforgood** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:40 pm

No problem Ailchinn. I just hope you've taken my comments in the spirit that they were intended, as helpful, not accusing. Lord knows I've stuck my own foot way down my throat often enough.

Lydia, I totally understand what you're saying, and as far as I'm concerned, the problem is solved, though it was a clumsy solution, and I don't intend it as competition, just a place for a different type of mood to prevail. But at least by starting another thread where I asked for no squabbling, I and everyone else can have a reasonable expectation of what they will find in that thread.

You're right of course, love is not always fun or even easy, and I alluded to that with my "there is no problem that love cannot solve." Sometimes love means a boot planted firmly up someone's ass.

Now if I could get the profile quote thingy to work, I could have that as my sig for a while... sigh...

Kinetic II · Post by **Kinetic II** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 6:40 pm

AFFG, your comments were taken appropriately, there's no problem here. I got offered some advice that I printed out and taped above the monitor so I get a nice reminder about how I should take things on here. It helps.

PJ · Post by PJ » Sun Oct 12, 2003 6:50 pm

Lydia Love wrote:Love is always a postive thing IMO - but it isn't always pretty. It's often messy or uncomfortable.

It takes two to leave a wet spot.

Three works also.

Lydia Love · Post by **Lydia Love** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 6:51 pm

How big a wet spot do you think I could get with 5000 adoring fans?

PJ · Post by PJ » Sun Oct 12, 2003 6:52 pm

Lydia Love wrote:How big a wet spot do you think I could get with 5000 adoring fans?

Depends on the grade of the site's surface, primarily.

And there's 50,000 fans.

Lydia Love · Post by **Lydia Love** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 7:11 pm

So... Love.

There must be something so elemental and necessary to the human heart in the act of giving and receiving love. Why else would we take the risks for it that we do? Will they shoot me down? Will they love me back? Will they love me as much as I love them? It's always felt like a tightrope walk over a pit of alligators.

But when I line up all the pros and cons, the pro "I could love" seems to drown out the other voices these days. That's a first for me.

PJ · Post by PJ » Sun Oct 12, 2003 7:20 pm

Lydia Love wrote:So... Love.

There must be something so elemental and necessary to the human heart in the act of giving and receiving love.

Pumping blood is pretty high up there on the list too.

Romance should never begin with sentiment. It should begin with science and end with a settlement.

--Oscar Wilde

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 7:36 pm

there is a lot a love going on in this thread.

and that's real good.

now can we all give each other a real big huh please?

aforceforgood · Post by **aforceforgood** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 8:37 pm

Naw, that mood's blown. I can do some DPW love though. I can toss a bottle of beer at your head. (it's full- that's the love)

Rabbi Dali Rick · Post by **Rabbi Dali Rick** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 8:51 pm

Love means never having to say,

Shut the Fuck Up, and Leave me the Hell Alone!!!!!!

lovingly,
the rebbi

aforceforgood · Post by **aforceforgood** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:01 pm

???? Love means my partner will assume I want her to shut the fuck up and leave me the hell alone? Wow, love is one tough bitch.

TristanGabriel · Post by **TristanGabriel** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:15 pm

Love means Making an attempt to understand oneanother.

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:16 pm

TristanGabriel wrote:Love means Making an attempt to understand oneanother.

your definitely gonna be fun to watch.

glad your here.

i'm gonna love this.

TristanGabriel · Post by **TristanGabriel** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:18 pm

It's time for a sig change.

TristanGabriel · Post by **TristanGabriel** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:19 pm

And thusly I am marked. Tee hee.

Love is knowing when your partner is <i>actually</i> awake and not just being a lazy litle bugger.

Lydia Love · Post by **Lydia Love** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 10:05 pm

Naw, that mood's blown. I can do some DPW love though. I can toss a bottle of beer at your head. (it's full- that's the love)

I've decided to be a complete contrarian wherever I post today then.

But I'll take the beer.

Patience · Post by **Patience** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:18 am

Okay. I'm falling in love again. I'm having trouble believing it, as it's been a very long time. But there it is.

Rachel is simply astounding. She keeps saying to me, "Where did you come from and what did you do to me?" My sentiment exactly. We've only been dating for three weeks, for chrissakes, and I swear to you I know this woman, know who she really is. And when she's looking into my eyes I get the feeling that she knows who I am, really gets me. It's a good feeling, being gotten.

How did this happen? I'm a fairly level-headed guy. I don't just swoon for any beautiful girl that bats her eyes at me. I like to take my time, get to know someone, find out what drives them and how they think. A lot of the same things III spoke about in his story. But that takes time.

Here, it's been like Zen in the Art of Dating. It's like I just know how it's supposed to go, know that we fit one another just right. Our conversations, our dates, the physical stuff--everything I do with her is like reflex. No second-guessing, and no need to think about it. I know that whatever I do is going to be right, because we just...work.

Saturday I went to see her at work (she works for ACT), and we spent a couple of hours out on the seventh floor deck, talking and smooching in the sun, watching the city below us. From some unidentified place, an opera was being sung, and their voices sort of wrapped etherally around us. It was unreal. Our conversation? It started when she said that she was still trying to figure out what was wrong with me. So I proceeded to tell her just what is wrong with me, and in no uncertain terms. All the shit you don't want to tell someone you just started dating, I told her. And I wasn't afraid of what she'd think of me. And she did the same. We sort of traded off listing our faults. Not just little faults, like "I pick my nose when nobody is looking." The real stuff. None of it scared me.

Today she sent me an email that said, "I am emailing you naked from your bedroom. Let's go steady."

*swoon*

Kinetic II · Post by **Kinetic II** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:48 am

Wow. Patience, that's intense...and that's real. That post reminded me of what happened with Shannon and I coming home from the regional decompression Saturday night.

With chemistry like that, the rules on a lot of things get tossed. It sounds like you found the right one!

PJ · Post by PJ » Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:50 am

I still think it's best to only love things made of sheet metal.

Kinetic II · Post by **Kinetic II** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:51 am

PJ wrote:I still think it's best to only love things made of sheet metal.

Some thermoplastics qualify too. But we WON"T GO THERE.
I just had to say it though.

aforceforgood · Post by **aforceforgood** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 12:40 pm

Does it make you feel happy just to hold her hand, to touch her? I've never noticed that before, (and I'm pretty sensitive about these things) and it's an odd but wonderful thing.

jbelson · Post by **jbelson** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:19 pm

I love my girlfriend burntJoJo. I never have to explain myself, nor does she.
She's moving into my house next month. I've never lived with anyone before, so it'll be a big change for me. She has plans to remodel my closets, and change a few things to better suit our needs. This makes me uncomfortable, but the thought of sharing every morning with her makes it all seem trivial. She is soft to the touch and pleasant to the eye. She lightens the room with her smile, and keeps it laughing with her wit. She is the girl I will marry (hopefully), and she is the person I put down in the "Contact in case of emergency" box.
She likes my scent.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:57 pm

Laura J. Shape
Kicks Fuckin' Ass

I love the symmetry of that statement.

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 3:19 pm

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i can't even remeber how i felt the first time i saw her.

...

yeah, i'm in love. sorry for the mush. we now return to our regular programming...

Oh fucking A! Just when I'm certain you're a snarky bastard you go and post something beautiful like this.

The L Word

the L word

I think I wet myself...

confoosed

love

Re: love

Alright, that's it.

Viola