SEX CAMPS?

[spectabillis]

i apologize for the difficulties you are having here. i understand the mystery surrounding the event, and just how hard it is to grasp just what the fucking deal is out there. here, too for that matter. and *sigh* all this is part of the burning man spirit. we often tend to enjoy, um...fucking with people. some call it education, some call it culling the herd. welcome home.

whatever people choose to call it, it can go too far.

we all like to have some fun, i know i do, but i dont think everyone can always tell when they cross the line. sure, there is the occasional newb who is overly sensitive, or immediately think their ways and ideas are right without much of an idea of whats up. but too often its the case where people like to gang up with some sort of communal beating - and too often it attracts those who enjoy drama and conflict.

unfortunately i guess that has to be my concern. but i can tell you so far its no coincidence that those who usually cross the line are involved in other conflicts, and have fun pushing people's buttons just to get a reaction.

i swear, its like being some sort of playground monitor. the lack of basic maturity and respect is astounding.

[Rockdad]

Just remember wear your socks in the JOT's we do not need no Naked people running around....

[Chai Guy]

Just remember wear your socks

Yeah, you said that already. Like a dozen or so times actually. We get it.

[yogiii2]

I would like to thank everyone who has really contributed to this topic.

just to make everything clear again. this will not be my frist year at burning man, and also to get it out of the way when i have gone before i was not interested in sex only, but in the idea of freedom. be that freedom of self expresion, art, or yes even sex.

part of my reason for starting this topic is yes one for myself but also because i have spoken to a lot of people who have questions along these lines as well.

i would also very much like to thank tisha2 and spectabillis for their kind words and the fact that they acctualy understand that i am new here and so do not understand all of the lingo and also that i am truely interesetd in getting real answers

[wedeliver]

your trying to tell me to play it cool. thats the problem though, i play it too cool. i want to get a little outside of my comfort zone

You might try wearing a sign that says, "looking for fuck" or whatever it is you are looking for. Jiffy Lube might be a good training place to see how that works.

I have never been laid at bm. I have made a lot of love though, some very orgasmic and some very cosmic, I have sniffed bicyle seats and complimented those that I found so fucking attractive that I had to express myself.

I hope and fear this gives you an idea or two. good luck and...

[Gearrob]

part of my reason for starting this topic is yes one for myself but also because i have spoken to a lot of people who have questions along these lines as well.

Actually, Yogiii, I'd like to thank you for broaching the subject. I've not been to BM yet and have been reading this board for months trying to figure it out (BM as a whole, not sex camps per se). Unfortunately, the response you got was pretty predictable if you read most of the threads available here that touch on the subject. I'd suggest you read the "Critical Tits", "Swinger camps” and "what do women want?" threads if you want to understand the motivation of the people who have tried to derail your thread. I am a little surprised that people haven't been more open about sex related camps. I think you would have gotten a much different response if you'd asked about "camps exploring the Tantric traditions of east India" or "classes and demonstrations of power exchange in BDSM". I think you would be perceived as wanting to explore new ideas and ways of experiencing life. As it is, you haven’t indicated that you want anything other than to get laid. I am curious about camps that explore different sexual experiences and traditions that I can bring my boyfriend to (ok I'm gay…sorry if that distracts from your thread). It's not my primary motivation in coming but, how prevalent are they?

Thanks, I hope this helps, fits in, dosen't sound like it's comming out of left field.

Robert

[Desert Duck]

part of my reason for starting this topic is yes one for myself but also because i have spoken to a lot of people who have questions along these lines as well.

I've not been to BM yet and have been reading this board for months trying to figure it out .
Unfortunately, the response you got was pretty predictable if you read most of the threads available here that touch on the subject.
I think you would have gotten a much different response if you'd asked about "camps exploring the Tantric traditions of east India" or "classes and demonstrations of power exchange in BDSM". I think you would be perceived as wanting to explore new ideas and ways of experiencing life. As it is, you haven’t indicated that you want anything other than to get laid.

Thanks, I hope this helps, fits in, dosen't sound like it's comming out of left field.

Robert

Nailed it. I think if you had phrased your question more tactfully, titled it differently, you might have gotten more honesty, and sooner. As it was you came off as a bit of a wanker. Sorry. Maybe you could spend a couple days just thinking about what you want to know, then think about how you would phrase it if you had to ask the most beautiful girl in the world without offending her or pissing her off. Then start a whole new thread with this question, or even just take that to the playa. Then again, maybe there's no hope for you.

[tisha2]

i think he did just fine. he asked for what he wanted to know. if he really didn't know - (and i agree, it's a valid conversation that hasn't really happened here as much as it should) - isn't this the place he should be able to come and ask?

btw - he pm'd me to ask what a troll is. maybe i've been had, but this time i just don't think so. and those of you who've met me know that i'm not easy to be had.

wait - that didn't come out right at all...

[spectabillis]

...you came off as a bit of a wanker...maybe there's no hope for you.

or maybe consider that some responses help cause this reaction in others? seeing how some of the comments were immediately dismissive and condescending, you cant be too surprised at that sort of reaction.

there is fault on both sides, so people might just want to give the snarky posts a rest, learn from it, and move on to more constructive things.



edit: oh jesus christ, then we have spambots like this http://eplaya.burningman.org/profile.ph ... le&u=15014 that dont help with the reputation.

[Chai Guy]

The thing is, yogi did receive some pretty straight forward answers among the jokes and snarks. It just appeared to me that he didn't like being told that there are no sex camps for single straight males, so he continued to ask the same question in hopes that he would find the answer he was looking for.

If he had rephrased the question, it would have been a different question. If someone had asked about BDSM camps, I would have told them that, yes, they exist. But those BDSM camps aren't "Sex Camps", I've been to a few of them and I've never seen anyone having sex there. Well, at least I haven't seen any more or less sex there than say a rave camp or any other type of camp.

I remember one year my girlfriend and I were at the Temple of Atonement (which by the way, the last time I was there you couldn't just walk in as single male). This group of young college aged couples walked in and were stopped by a female hostess of the camp. She asked the group, "May I help you?" to which one of the women in the group giggled and said "Well, we just thought we'd go sit on that couch and make out", to which the hostess replied "Oh, I'm sorry, this isn't a "make-out" camp, this is a "spanking camp", now who's going to be first?" They turned white as sheets, looked at each other for a split second and then practically ran out of the place.

From the outside looking in, Burning Man appears to be a very "sexual" place, you see a lot of nudity, sexy costumes, and sexual innuendo. You even see people having sex in public! I think the reality is that very little actual sex takes place. It's hot, everyone is dirty, everyone is engaged in this weird pack mentality, you've got air mattresses to deal with, etc. The casual sex survey I've taken in my camp for the last 8 years seems to confirm this. Of course, if you're a male/female couple looking to have sex with other male/female couples you will have plenty of sex, or at least opportunities, same goes for gay males looking to have sex with gay men, lesbians (if you're willing to have sex with "straight girls" and m/f couples), and straight women.

If you were looking for a sex filled vacation, you'd really be much better off going to Las Vegas, Amsterdam, Ibiza, Rio, Anaheim, or really any large tourist destination. Anaheim? Yep, back when I was living in Southern California, I was feeling kinda blue one day when a friend called, he said he had just the thing. He took me to the bar at the Holiday Inn in Anaheim near Disneyland. It was dead, we were the only ones in there. I said "Dude, what the fuck is this?" he said "Just wait", we waited. 1 hour later we were surrounded by 2 bus loads of Australians on a vacation tour looking to get their drink on (they had been stuck in alcohol-free Disneyland all day!). It was like shooting fish in a barrel.


So, once again, and I'm sorry to break this to you....

"no sex camps for straight males".

[spectabillis]

The thing is, yogi did receive some pretty straight forward answers among the jokes and snarks. It just appeared to me ...

yep, and thats sometimes part of the problem, with everything else the signal sometimes gets lost in the noise despite appearances.

[Chai Guy]

Perhaps, but isn't that just a reflection of the real playa?

How would you respond to a person walking up to you on the Real playa and asking "Where can I find the sex camps?"

[blyslv]

If you want a drink, make friends with someone with a bar.
If you want to ride in a plane, make friends with a pilot.
If you want a cool orb necklace, make friends with the Sphericon guys.
If you want to spin records, make friends with someone with a soundsystem.
If you want to have fun touching other people then ....

Or you could simply learn how to provide for yourself, but I guess that's no longer fashionable on the playa.

[Rob the Wop]

Perhaps, but isn't that just a reflection of the real playa?

How would you respond to a person walking up to you on the Real playa and asking "Where can I find the sex camps?"

Point them to First Camp. Tell them that they play 'hard to get'.

[Bob]

If you asked the theme camp department "Where can I find the sex camps?" all they'd have to do is cross-check camps in their database to whom they've sent the standard rape & assault boilerplate.

[spectabillis]

Perhaps, but isn't that just a reflection of the real playa?

now thats a good point because...

How would you respond to a person walking up to you on the Real playa and asking "Where can I find the sex camps?"

... i would likely point them to kidsville.

[Sensei]

I like it when spec's inner smarty-pants comes out to play.

[spectabillis]

i know i can be overly serious here, its just after having to deal with so many screwed up and childish conflicts - it gets to a person. i just want to make sure i dont have to do it anymore

[blyslv]

That's it. i'm starting my own fucking sex camp. It's tribute to Erica Jong's "zipless fuck." That is, sharing friction with another without any of the usual complications. It's total fantasyland filled with well oiled hunks and hunkettes.

Who's in? Send me several glossy pictures of yourself. I'm throwing the first fundraiser in a month.

Seriously yogi, you've been there 3 years. Start your own, fucking, camp.

[Rockdad]

i know i can be overly serious here, its just after having to deal with so many screwed up and childish conflicts - it gets to a person. i just want to make sure i dont have to do it anymore

Moderator heal thyself

[Bob]

Clarifying: So, though they send out the "sex letter" to camps they think might attract risky behavior, the theme camp department doesn't flag these camps in their public listings. The info & warnings all camps get are pretty much the same, it's just a matter of closer scrutiny when certain things are made obvious. Re: "how to find them" -- you're on your own.

[spectabillis]

Moderator heal thyself

oh just knock if off already rockdad, if you have some valid issue with either my moderation or moderators in general, i have asked you enough times to please make the case in the moderator policy discussion topic. thats what it is for and i wish more people would do so.

[spectabillis]

Clarifying: So, though they send out the "sex letter" to camps they think might attract risky behavior....

i didn't even know there was such a proceedure and letter, be interested in seeing a copy as well as knowing the history behind it being done.

[Rockdad]

Moderator heal thyself

oh just knock if off already rockdad, if you have some valid issue with either my moderation or moderators in general, i have asked you enough times to please make the case in the moderator policy discussion topic. thats what it is for and i wish more people would do so.

I do not want to go running to the Principal Miss Emily or Mr. Spanky about your behavior on the school yard.
That does not mean I do not feel I have a valid issue

[Chai Guy]

From Harley K. DuBois Black Rock City LLC Community Services and Playa Safety

Since 1998 I have contacted all theme camps that addressed taboo subjects or encourage nudity and have sent a letter individually to them reminding them that their camp's subject matter placed them and the Burning Man project under a higher level of scrutiny, demanded more responsibility from all camp mates and presented some risk of liability for them individually and the project. I informed them that Nevada laws are relatively strict in regards to nudity. I encouraged all camps to place anything sexually explicit out of plain view and to place someone at the entrance to monitor who entered. On some occasions I met with camps personally to discuss such topics. We have had relatively few negative issues arise. I expect this to remain the same this year

http://www.contraptionists.com/bman04/l ... bcl5b.html

[yogiii2]

the reason i keep on asking the same thing over and over is that only a very small number of people have contributed to this topic yet. more then 35,000 people went last year surely some of them have something to say also. i would like them to have the chance to do so

[Bob]

You want them to state on a bbs whether they are a "sex camp" or not?

[Chai Guy]

35,000 people went last year surely some of them have something to say also

Welcome to the Eplaya, we have about 100 "regular" users (and that's being generous).

When you attended the event, did you ask the people who were there where to find the "Sex Camps", and if so how did they respond?

[spectabillis]

http://www.contraptionists.com/bman04/l ... bcl5b.html - thanks chai!

that explains some of the controversy around 'radical inclusion,' i think actiongrl changed that part of those 10 pricipal thingy's.

[Chai Guy]

Burning Man will remain a "radically inclusive" "family event" until such time that a serious incident involving a minor occurs, and the permit is threatened. I then predict it will become an "18 and over" event very quickly.