Haters

jbelson · Post by **jbelson** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 4:18 pm

So, I did a google search of burning man. Sure, lots of pics, personal diaries, religious rants on it's satanistic patterns. But what was interesting was all of the time people put into hating on the event, and mostly the org.
Fot the most part, it seemed that the 'haters' were pretty clueless. Not stupid, but mostly ignorant as to how things work in the real world. It's hard to not have a great experience, IMO, and I think that most of the detractors did too. Whats interesting is how they feel duped. A lot of people come away with a sence of lovey-dovey, everything is free and beautiful, and it all just happens. Then they learn that BM is not a non-profit organization, that there is a certain leval of comercialism and brand protection that goes on. Understandibly, much of the BM literature speaks against such things so they feel betrayed. But what they dont seem to realize is that nothing "just happens". That it is a tremendous undertaking, and a certain leval of protection must be kept to ensure its survival.
I for one appreciate the "brand protection" and the regulation of media. I feel that it is the only way to protect against the wrong image which could lead to canceling the event by authorities.
As far as the corporate structure. Well, a gift economy can only exist in 1 place, and only for a week. As we've all experienced, BM takes $$$$ ( I know I spent a lot).
What are your thoughts?

Any bad experiences with the org (I've heard of them, but haven't heard them)?

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 4:38 pm

Great. I come in here expecting some great discussion of protecting your head from the harsh desert sun...

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 5:53 pm

Hatters. You were thinking of hatters ya knucklehead.

Kinetic II · Post by **Kinetic II** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:08 pm

Hats at BM! We need pictures! We had people taking pictures of hips, why not hats! Surely there's some hat pictures out there. Come on, get 'em posted! Let's see those hats!

Sorry but I don't have any bad things to say about the org. Really, I don't. And for me not having at least one thing negative to say is a miracle.

RebA! · Post by **RebA!** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 10:04 pm

Two lovely hat specimins here

http://burningman.bluedream.com/galleri ... imteam.jpg

Another http://burningman.bluedream.com/galleri ... yfront.jpg

Another
http://burningman.bluedream.com/galleri ... zyruvi.jpg

brown hat
http://burningman.bluedream.com/galleri ... erider.jpg

Back of hat
http://burningman.bluedream.com/galleri ... zzyguy.jpg

There you go.. your hatting needs should be met.

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:55 am

I actually did go to one website, ~cardhouse... or something. The guy is a conflict junkie! What a loon.

Kinetic II · Post by **Kinetic II** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:19 am

Life is too short to really "Hate" anything. You can hate your commute, you can hate your work, but to truly HATE a person...it's not worth it. What does one get out of it anyway? Stress, worry, anger...all things that can be easily internalized and then it comes back to bite you in the ass. It's so easy to HATE people. But once you go down that path, you start paying attention to the object of that hate. You feed them in a sense...with attention, with comments, with media coverage perhaps. And it will boomerange on you almost everytime, and you can become the polar opposite of the person you hate which can be just as bad.

The whole point is not to fall for the peace and love BS, it's about saying that person annoys the hell out of me but I'm not letting him be the focus of my time. Screw them. Again, life is really too short to hate.

RebA! · Post by **RebA!** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:57 am

Kinetic II wrote:Life is too short to really "Hate" anything. You can hate your commute, you can hate your work, but to truly HATE a person...it's not worth it.

I can honestly say that there are 2 people in this world that I hate with every part of me. Both caused me severe mental trauma (some that still haunts me today) What does it get me. It gets me a lot actually. It gives me a measuring tool for other annoyances in my life. Sure I hate tofu but do I hate them as much as so and so. Ok.. so see.. Its bad. but not that bad.

I have no regrets hating them the way i do. If either of them were to come to an unfortunate end. A sly smile will grace my face. I often have dreams where I am beating the living shit out of one of them for doing what they did to me.

However Hats are much more fun than hate.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:17 am

blyslv wrote:I actually did go to one website, ~cardhouse... or something. The guy is a conflict junkie! What a loon.

Actually, I liked his website a lot. He was part of BiggRigg Industries at one time, if I'm not mistaken. I met him during 98 I believe.

Without someone taking serious knocks at Burning Man and the organization, how do you judge where the middle is? I take his rants and raves with the exact same grain of salt that I take Larry's Bohemian lectures. Same as anything, the truth is somewhere in between. Utopian societies have been tried for ages, and they never work. Burning Man isn't a perfect world, nor the model of one. It's also not a Satan worshipping convention funded by MTV. For every one Dr. Cliff, there is one Uber-Burner.

That's why I go. Living in Portland, I get enough of the hippy-dippy peace and love crap. I need variety.

Alpha · Post by **Alpha** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:21 am

I need more hippy-dippy peace and love crap. LA is totally devoid of sincerity.

PetsUntilEaten · Post by **PetsUntilEaten** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:51 am

RebA! wrote: I have no regrets hating them the way I do. If either of them were to come to an unfortunate end. A sly smile will grace my face.

Funny - I spent years hoping one of my especially mean & vicious neighbors would die. Recently, while I was away - she did! My friends asked if it was really appropriate to throw a party . . . and if I thought I was going to hell . . . and I said yeah - only as soon as I get that matching handbasket.

So RebA! : Would you throw a party - or would you feel bad for talking smack about the dead? and most importantly what color handbasket do you need to match your Hat?

RebA! · Post by **RebA!** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:55 am

Not sure if I would throw a party. But I think I would be relieved that there was a little less hate in the world.

As far as the hell thing. Eh.. i dont buy into that. But I do need a new handbasket.

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 11:13 am

Rob the Wop wrote: Without someone taking serious knocks at Burning Man and the organization, how do you judge where the middle is? I take his rants and raves with the exact same grain of salt that I take Larry's Bohemian lectures. Same as anything, the truth is somewhere in between.

I agree, but his approach was vile and illogical and seemed more motivated by personal hatred then any well thought out critique of that silliness in the desert.

Re: utopian society, I think this place come kind of close ...

http://www.thefarm.org/

Skyhawk · Post by **Skyhawk** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 11:21 am

dang hippies

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
jokingly yours
Sky
I wonder how small this gets

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 11:48 am

Careful, Rob the Wop might start posting recipies.

jbelson · Post by **jbelson** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:19 pm

Cardhouse was one of the websites I visited. At first I thought he was just a lamo, but then I realized what he was: his own art. I felt his arguements were ill conceived and lacked any substance. Thats when I realized his participation is sort of an 'anti love' kinda thing. His contribution is detraction. Which is fine, I guess, but he comes off more of a tool than anything. He didn't really bring anything substantial other than an opinion he probably formed while smoking a bong load.

***No hats were harmed in the creation of this thread***

Hotblack Desiato · Post by **Hotblack Desiato** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:05 pm

For those of you who are unfamiliar with street slang, in this context "to hate" does not mean "to intensely dislike".

"To hate on" something or someone = to gripe, whine, implies sour grapes. A hater (or "hata") is one who cannot stand the thought of someone else having a good time, who has no sense of humor, who's jess' jealous. From original expression "playa hata".

Someone need not hate Burning Man in order to hate on it.

Aight, H-Dizz out, 'chall. Holla.

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:19 pm

All y'all are way to subtle for me. Either you're a glassy convert (greetings, have you heard the good news about the burn?) or you all deserve to die.

RebA! · Post by **RebA!** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:24 pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote:For those of you who are unfamiliar with street slang, From original expression "playa hata".

On my music journeys. I tried to find all sorts of music related to the playa (playa ie ground out at burning man) imagine my surprise when I downloaded

I dont wanna be a playa
Still not a playa
Playa fa life etc.

Then again.. when I went out to a club I thought I was being insulted when some "fella" called me "thick" (i later asked some friends what he meant)

Alpha · Post by **Alpha** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:54 pm

I hate that peach color on the new $20 bill. Can't we get some Dutch in here to design some kick-ass currency?

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 6:00 pm

I hate that peach color on the new $20 bill.

Spoken like a true hetrosexual Alpha.

That is not peach.

It is 'toasted salmon' or 'poached coral' but NOT peach.

Jeez....

Alpha · Post by **Alpha** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:04 pm

Finally outing me, Isotopia wrote:Spoken like a true hetrosexual Alpha.

damn my woman-loving tendencies!