"The Bar" Playa Structure Building Discussion

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:08 pm

In the environmental stipulations BMORG has premission for postholes they cannot be all that bad? notice in there though that the water table is around 5 feet though..After all the rain this year might be higher even?

Link Drag:http://tribes.tribe.net/thebar

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:15 pm

Yea, after this year, we would probably end up with a mud bath pit.....

mmmmmm, OK, I won't go there......

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:16 pm

Rockdad wrote:Also couldn't we just bring a post hole digger and a length of 2" pipe? no top support needed.

They do not really like post holes but if we backfill carefully with water and tamping should not be a problem...

No, you can't go deep enough to support the pole adequately - and even then you *will* leave a nasty scar.

I wish I knew *why* the top support idea won't work... I mean, there's gotta be a reason, right??

bb

Mozy bonz · Post by **Mozy bonz** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:25 pm

stable free standing pole

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:31 pm

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:59 pm

Bay Bridge Sue wrote:
Rockdad wrote:Also couldn't we just bring a post hole digger and a length of 2" pipe? no top support needed.

They do not really like post holes but if we backfill carefully with water and tamping should not be a problem...
No, you can't go deep enough to support the pole adequately - and even then you *will* leave a nasty scar.

I wish I knew *why* the top support idea won't work... I mean, there's gotta be a reason, right??

bb

Putting enviroment and BMORG aside just strickly engineering with a post hole digger you can go a little more than three feet deep that should be way strong enough. Hell I have a hard time getting my rebar out from two feet deep? is it that the soil(thats a stretch) substance will just breakout with side torque? someone must of tried this out there before..out here where I am it would hold a truck swinging..

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:02 pm

mmmmm

Much easier than I was thinking.....

I was working on top support, but an elevated platform would be easier and reduce the re-enforcement requirements of the top....Thanks, all...

back to pencil and paper......

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:08 pm

Like this one might need to be a little wider in dimensions for stability but if welded up and painted could make neat back yard umbrella table the rest of the year with removable legs

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:21 pm

I was working up a 10x10 area in my plans, if we could fit it in... although could be less. Making it out of wood(pre-fab) with a smooth floor. To dance, pole-dance, or whatever.....

EspressoDude · Post by **EspressoDude** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:24 pm

thisisthatwhichis wrote:Yea, after this year, we would probably end up with a mud bath pit.....

mmmmmm, OK, I won't go there......

jewel was talking dirty the other nite.......THE BAR: featuring nude mud whatever

EspressoDude · Post by **EspressoDude** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:27 pm

Rockdad wrote:Also couldn't we just bring a post hole digger and a length of 2" pipe? no top support needed.

They do not really like post holes but if we backfill carefully with water and tamping should not be a problem...

RD the pipe has to be very smooth....chrome

EspressoDude · Post by **EspressoDude** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:35 pm

Bay Bridge Sue wrote:
Rockdad wrote:Also couldn't we just bring a post hole digger and a length of 2" pipe? no top support needed.

They do not really like post holes but if we backfill carefully with water and tamping should not be a problem...
No, you can't go deep enough to support the pole adequately - and even then you *will* leave a nasty scar.

I wish I knew *why* the top support idea won't work... I mean, there's gotta be a reason, right??

bb

actually I think a guyed pole will work, howver the anchors have to be first rate and the guy wires have like zero stretch. After all radio towers have guy wires. Our tent @ EspressoCamp has a guyed center pole and we can do some stuff on it. The guy "wires" are rope and are not very tight. We have double backed (one behind the other) stakes and they move some. Also think about sail boat masts that are guyed. They generate thaousands of foot-pounds of torque trying to tip the boat over. Look at a 60 foot mast offset by 15 guys on the rail and 5000 - 15000 pound in the keel.

I think the main point is to not use a "normal" tent pole and guy system for the "party pole"

Desert Duck · Post by **Desert Duck** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:55 pm

dragonfly Jafe wrote:

This is probably the simplest route if you're gonna build it yourself, but I like the freestanding one. I remember someone brought one of those to a sparkclub at the BM office.

If you're determined to use a guy system, those are easy to work with too, and with some turnbuckles can be kept taut all week.

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:04 pm

Yea, would secure it good.... Maybe, just don't like tripping over wires, especially around a bar. I think a combo of the elevated platform and a semi-secure top(at least not as enforced as i was thinking) might work well.

Desert Duck · Post by **Desert Duck** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:20 pm

So, here's a question. Where would the pole be going? Will we have a separate area for the stage?

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:27 pm

Yea, I would think so, somewhere close to the bar obviously, but not attached to the tent in any way.

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:30 pm

Don't know. Maybe I'll post it in the back room and see what suggestions I get......

Mozy bonz · Post by **Mozy bonz** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:40 pm

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:44 pm

mmmm.... got to say I like it..... Do you know how much for the metallic version?

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:38 pm

Lorgasm Zoom are you staying in camp with us? check in at Bar Camp Backroomcontact anyone of us for invite if you lost it?

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:48 pm

thisisthatwhichis wrote:mmmm.... got to say I like it..... Do you know how much for the metallic version?

I saw these online. Cost a few hundred.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:06 pm

thisisthatwhichis wrote:mmmm.... got to say I like it..... Do you know how much for the metallic version?

Does it come polished?

EspressoDude · Post by **EspressoDude** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:18 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:
thisisthatwhichis wrote:mmmm.... got to say I like it..... Do you know how much for the metallic version?
Does it come polished?

I thought that's what all the sliding on it did

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:26 pm

Xta_G · Post by **Xta_G** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:06 am

This bar has the flavour of Callahan's Crosstime Saloon - any Spider Robinson fans out there? (wait... is Spider Robinson himself out there??)

I'm already VCamping elsewhere, but I'll be happy to come by and wipe bartops or something...

.. and suggestion for maximizing candle-power: add shiny surfaces for reflected light! (okay, mirror = glass, so that's out... mylar = flammable, so that's no good... anyone got a big long shiny chunk o' chrome that might make a good backdrop for a stretch of candles?)

X.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:19 am

Xta_G wrote:This bar has the flavour of Callahan's Crosstime Saloon - any Spider Robinson fans out there? (wait... is Spider Robinson himself out there??)

I'm already VCamping elsewhere, but I'll be happy to come by and wipe bartops or something...

.. and suggestion for maximizing candle-power: add shiny surfaces for reflected light! (okay, mirror = glass, so that's out... mylar = flammable, so that's no good... anyone got a big long shiny chunk o' chrome that might make a good backdrop for a stretch of candles?)

X.

Poof! You have just been assigned a shift.

Callahan's Mixed with Cheer's and an old Playboy club

Desert Duck · Post by **Desert Duck** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:23 am

nudge for no reason other than to bury another thread.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:52 am

Lorgasm · Post by **Lorgasm** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:59 am

I think Zoom and I will be at our little special camp. However, like X, we would like to volunteer our services and donate goodies. With this being Zoom's first time, I want to make sure he experiences many things as well as be a part of a great group of friends. Heck, you can even stop by our camp for munchies or whatnot.

lots of kisses and hugs,
Lorgasm

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:13 am

Well have fun and remember you can always have your own little camp in Bar camp!...

"The Bar" Playa Structure Building Discussion

how to have a stable free standing pole