Should theme camps be exclusionary

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:07 pm

Wait a minute ... how about:

STAY THE FUCK OUT CAMP

It is completely interactive where participants may indulge in the theme by staying the fuck out of the camp. Everyone in blackrock city can be an active participant in the theme and it is the perfect example of radical inclusion.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:17 pm

Count me as not caring what any theme campers do, as long as they leave when Burning Man ends.

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:35 am

and clean up their mess.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:51 am

Thought this was somewhat related to discussion:
Stipulation in latest BLM Environmental Assessment for BM 5-Yr Permit agreement

"17. BRC LLC will develop and implement a plan to control adult activities and minors at the
event. The plan should include measures such as educating and requiring parents/guardians
to supervise their children, zoning the city, and making every effort to educate adult related
theme camps about the need for having a gatekeeper during hours when the camp might not
be suitable for minors. BRC LLC will make every effort to enforce actions identified in the
plan."
2006-2010 permit: -
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http://www.nv.blm.gov/Winnemucca/NEPA/b ... ingman.htm[/img]

The appendix has the permit conditions.

hunter S · Post by **hunter S** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:42 pm

Simple solution, Ban kids! since thats not likley to happen! I see gates and fences.... in our future! Choise may not be one our citezens make but one the BLM makes for us.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:59 pm

Edit/ Posted on wrong thread moved to:http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... 728#223728

Is Burning Man still dangerous? Thread

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:28 pm

Future shock Year 2007-

Streets are permanently renamed G, PG-13, V, M, R, X, XX, XXX, Etc

Spoke streets are designated by degrees of separation 10, thru 180

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:53 pm

On a slightly serious note...

I have been in favor of keeping the ring streets alphabatized outsode of the Esplanade as was done last year. When they go to a 12 ring config in 2008 (read the permit!!) it will make it a lot more sense from a planning and logistical standpoint to name the streets. (At least we know the city layout will remain stable for the next 5 years...)

In fact... if I were the queen regent of BRC I would not tie the names of the street to the theme, and just call them A thru H (or I or J or K) - just like in any ohter small town, er, city. ONe of the few places that doesn't hold sway is in San Francisco in the Sunset... but even they don't change the names of those streets annually.

Now... on my wristwatch, my clock face does not match the spokes of BRC... so using the same premise... 6:00 will now be called 12:00, 9:00 will be called 18:00, 3:00 will now be 6:00, and all the streets will be even hours instead of this silly 1/2 hour thingy. The Temple sits at what may someday become 00:00 and Esplenade... >giggles<

Next week - Painting the playa surface for a more uniform beige color, Using acres of astroturf to cut down on the dust generation, porta potties on every corner, and putting the Center Camp Cafe in the structure under the man...

(Now you know why it was only slightly serious...)

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hunter S · Post by **hunter S** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:55 pm

Rockdad, do you think we can have xxx, xx, x, R ect. start from the esplanade and work out ward? This puts the young-uns out on the city out skirts (their young legs & energy can handle the extra mile's) with designated spokes i.e 180 & 10 as safe kid friendly street's? I don't want my property values to drop because I happen to be near a kiddie safety zone!

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:02 pm

hunter S wrote:Rockdad, do you think we can have xxx, xx, x, R ect. start from the esplanade and work out ward? This puts the young-uns out on the city out skirts (their young legs & energy can handle the extra mile's) with designated spokes i.e 180 & 10 as safe kid friendly street's? I don't want my property values to drop because I happen to be near a kiddie safety zone!

I totally agree and thanks to the ban on wading pools we do not have to worry about those little Baby Ruth accidents.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:23 am

so on this early hour...

camp al qaeda. the entry has two towers that people can throw large styrofoam planes against while screaming nyc got what it deserved. a blackened and twisted art car gets driven into the man in an inferno that blows the 'big burn' for everyone. the camp holds arterrorist seminars that recruits people to go out and destroy installations. dj setups are hyjacked with anti-american propoganda. burning the stars and stripes is second nature. a parade is held that carries pine-boxed suicide martyrs of the fallen brothers who sacrificed themselves in the name of allah. afganistan is the camp flag.

the placement is right next to camp israel.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:41 am

A huge square of Caution Tape laid out on the playa. Nothing inside, but what blows by. Camp Nothingness - Welcome to the Void.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:50 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:A huge square of Caution Tape laid out on the playa. Nothing inside, but what blows by. Camp Nothingness - Welcome to the Void.

BLM would probably start enforcing it! Hey buddy get away from there! nothing to see move along...

The CO · Post by **The CO** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:12 pm

There was an art project ot there one year that was just this... a small 8x8 fence for trash.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:44 pm

i thought about a trash fence project, i know its utility, but i absolutely despise that thing. for me you could not get a greater symbolic reference about how enclosed and stifling the event has become for me over the years when you bump 'open' against 'closed'.

of course i think its entirely possible to redesign the fence layout to provide wide openings that still trap the moop, but i suspect that its 'other' utility will keep that from ever happening.

Desert Duck · Post by **Desert Duck** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:49 pm

Oh, and don't forget that we now use radar and IR to track movement on the playa, and can tell if you're even gathering next to the trash fence.

IMHO, these guys are gonna get to the playa, and they won't be prepared for the reality of life on the playa. Whether it's because their own camp is inadequately prepared, or campmates who don't really know each other end up fighting, or because they cause themselves undue attention, it's a bunch of people who haven't been yet. Let 'em get out there, go through the whole deal, maybe the weather will be really nasty (I hope), and they'll realize that their petty concerns are just that.

Safety zones are a great idea-anyone who wants to be in one will be set up with a room in Gerlach, and a great view of the burn on their TV.They can say"I was there, I drove all the way to Gerlach"

Xta_G · Post by **Xta_G** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:52 am

Desert Duck wrote:
[quote]IMHO, these guys are gonna get to the playa, and they won't be prepared for the reality of life on the playa. Whether it's because their own camp is inadequately prepared, or campmates who don't really know each other end up fighting, or because they cause themselves undue attention, it's a bunch of people who haven't been yet. Let 'em get out there, go through the whole deal, maybe the weather will be really nasty (I hope), and they'll realize that their petty concerns are just that. [/quote]

Wow. Are you still talking about V Camp, and wishing this for us? I'd like to take a moment to express gratitude for the folks who are actually supporting us, especially the folks who don't agree with the camp concept itself but are welcoming us anyway... THAT's the type of attitude I'd like to go through life with, and I love experiencing it myself.

And, with the kind and generous sharing of information from all the experienced Burners who seem endlessly willing to discuss logistics about shade, water, camp layout, getting along with strangers you're camping with, etc... I think we'll be fine. I'm doing the low expectations thing (I think), trying to do the research and prep work so I do NOT become a first-timer laid out in a medical tent, planning a base camp that will provide my basic necessities, and being eager to meet a whole whack of new, interesting, welcoming AND rude folk alike ./grin

Oh, and to Rockdad: my comment on the V Camp tribe about not wanting to be placed by Camp Herring and Camp Apokiliptika was based on reading the posts here on ePlaya that seem to be suggesting some sort of open warfare/sabotage/vengeance thingy going on, or at least that was my impression when I started reading those threads months and months ago, and that didn't sound like a good place to start out Year 1... but, continuing to watch that discussion and the creativity that folk are pouring out, mebbe it wouldn't be so bad :)

X.

Xta_G · Post by **Xta_G** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:52 am

(laugh) Okay, I TRIED to do the proper quote thing, and I failed... oopsie :) Anyone want to give me a hint?

X.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:53 am

Xta_G wrote:
Oh, and to Rockdad: my comment on the V Camp tribe about not wanting to be placed by Camp Herring and Camp Apokiliptika was based on reading the posts here on ePlaya that seem to be suggesting some sort of open warfare/sabotage/vengeance thingy going on, or at least that was my impression when I started reading those threads months and months ago, and that didn't sound like a good place to start out Year 1... but, continuing to watch that discussion and the creativity that folk are pouring out, mebbe it wouldn't be so bad
X.

open warfare/sabotage/vengeance? on the Playa? Of course haven't you seen all the warning posters you should bring gas mask's for every camper and of course SS standard issue combat vest's, helmets and BDU's...

It would probably be the bestest/funniest place for Ya besides the new Eplaya Bar Camp of course. Did you notice they have taken warfare down to propaganda poster level? wouldn't that be nice in the real world. The Herring people are a little Fishy though.

"16 - you would prefer not to camp near ...
- camp apokalyspita (or whatever) and Camp Herring (their enemies)

Once you meet them and figure out the story line you will think like I do that it might very well been the funniest line in the whole discussion.
You guys are going to be fine and will have a blast.
Do I still think your pushing it a bit for Theme camps sure do. Do I think you would be better off with an established theme camp sure do, but that is just an opinion/advice so you know what that's worth either way you will be ok.

On Quotes: I think all you did wrong was not uncheck the disable BBcode box below the new Post editor.
Also in your Eplaya profile you can also set this up to uncheck the Disable HTML/BBcode boxes for you all the time.

Xta_G · Post by **Xta_G** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:50 am

On Quotes: I think all you did wrong was not uncheck the disable BBcode box below the new Post editor.
Also in your Eplaya profile you can also set this up to uncheck the Disable HTML/BBcode boxes for you all the time.

Testing, testing... woohoo, it works!

Thanks babe

Can't wait to meet you.. wanna make a date to take me to visit the enemy camps? Oh, wait.. playa time = no firm commitments, if it happens, cool! If it doesn't, I'll be having a good time somewhere else anyway!

X.

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:56 am

Oh course theme camps shold be exclusive.

D'uh.

I go to burningman to get away from the great unwashed masses. Why should I want hippies, ravers, art phags, grant hags, toaster oven salesmen, corporate apologists, goon squad rejects, Land's End fashion plates, frat bois, riot grrrls, disaffected hobos, cooking school graduates, through hikers, three wheeled bicyclists, kircus klowns, candy assed pole dancers, squid boys, loose nutz, megolamaniacs, toucy-feely types, dykes, bondage enthusiasts, strap-on hobbyists, failed autuers, malcontents, homeless slobs, professional students, amatuer pilots, producers of porn, young republicans, elephant trainers, world famous mountaineers, cheap jack barbershop owners, retail clerks, bored barristas, lawyers, accountants, fast food factory operators, industrialists, or just anybody wander through MY camp?

sheeesh.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:59 am

blyslv wrote:Oh course theme camps shold be exclusive.

D'uh.

I go to burningman to get away from the great unwashed masses. Why should I want hippies, ravers, art phags, grant hags, toaster oven salesmen, corporate apologists, goon squad rejects, Land's End fashion plates, frat bois, riot grrrls, disaffected hobos, cooking school graduates, through hikers, three wheeled bicyclists, kircus klowns, candy assed pole dancers, squid boys, loose nutz, megolamaniacs, toucy-feely types, dykes, bondage enthusiasts, strap-on hobbyists, failed autuers, malcontents, homeless slobs, professional students, amatuer pilots, producers of porn, young republicans, elephant trainers, world famous mountaineers, cheap jack barbershop owners, retail clerks, bored barristas, lawyers, accountants, fast food factory operators, industrialists, or just anybody wander through MY camp?

sheeesh.

Young Republicans? Has it gotten that bad?

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:00 pm

I see you've met my family.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:04 pm

Xta_G wrote:
On Quotes: I think all you did wrong was not uncheck the disable BBcode box below the new Post editor.
Also in your Eplaya profile you can also set this up to uncheck the Disable HTML/BBcode boxes for you all the time.
Testing, testing... woohoo, it works!

Thanks babe Can't wait to meet you.. wanna make a date to take me to visit the enemy camps? Oh, wait.. playa time = no firm commitments, if it happens, cool! If it doesn't, I'll be having a good time somewhere else anyway!

X.

Tell ya what when you get a chance stop by the EPlaya bar here you will be welcome and everyone will buy you a drink, BS with ya etc.
...Then when you get to BRC come by the New Eplaya Bar Camp and we will set you up with at a real Bar on the Playa...

dj_john69 · Post by **dj_john69** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:09 am

Damn, let the V crew do whatever pleases them.

They are coming to BM for a good time...if they want to stay in their camp all week, so be it. If they want an all women camp, so be it. It's their right to be safe and have fun. Who knows...after this years burn, maybe they will see things differently and will change camp ideas next year.

V crew...have a great time on the Playa !! Don't think twice of what most people say on here...everyone has their own opinion.

Enjoy your BURN !!!

~John

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:19 am

Silly Dj they have been assimilated by the Eplaya Bar Camp awhile back...

Resistance is futile

noxiousnan · Post by **noxiousnan** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:10 pm

Does no one remember Grrly Girl Camp? They had almost the same exclusion - no single male could come in without being accompanied by a woman or couple (of any gender makeup). I don't recall any controversy over the rule - perhaps because of what they were doing inside the camp. Instead of complaints there was a two hour wait with men hovering outside propositioning women and couples to escort them in.

I'd probably visit the V Camp if I thought it was more about a focus on female energy or something, and I'd happily stay away from any male bonding camps (though I might hover outside to enjoy the exodus of manly men - especially those in kilts and slip-dresses).

I am pro inclusive camps and pro exclusive camps and believe all theme camp ideas probably have valuable things to teach the included and excluded alike.

ibdave · Post by **ibdave** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:32 pm

How about the Canadian Beaver Eating Contest,
No single men, Not a camp but even trying to bribe the doorman with a fine bottle of Don Jolio, my wife and I didn't get in...

Hummm Maybe 2 bottle next time..........

Alchemy · Post by **Alchemy** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:49 am

kidsville is like lamp lighters or the post office..
The members of this camp are preforming a service..RAISING BURNERS and learning from the camp masters which are the kids..
All the while doing art getting their groove on and flipping the bird at the whole paranoid nutsack of whinners who think kids are so to be feared @ the burn.Kidsville illustrates the art of having it all even when breding rears (haha) its primal head.
Theme camps are about themes or services preformed .
Maybe we should have a Slap the Crap outta The waste our time with such nonsence thinking Camp?And only saps who reply could enter it, but would require gigantic cartoon glove to slap the crap outta the trolls looking to suck on yer brain jellies with silly posts.

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Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:21 am

I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member.

-Groucho Marx

Should theme camps be exclusionary

zoning the city

Every Burner should read this crap sheet and wipe ass