BLM proposing raising fees - your help needed

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed May 03, 2006 10:44 pm

Well going on memory someone was discussing getting the real facts and figures related to citations with convictions, That would be public information
I would also like to see some hard evidence that crime has gone up! and evidence of the riots etc... And then compare them to a city of similar size Also seems there are more LEO's than a city that size would even employ on a full time basis

stargeezer · Post by **stargeezer** » Wed May 03, 2006 10:46 pm

Why deal with the BLM at all? $700K would buy a nice chunk of desert, and then future years the only cost would be the property tax! A private party on private land eliminates lots of problems.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed May 03, 2006 10:51 pm

stargeezer wrote:Why deal with the BLM at all? $700K would buy a nice chunk of desert, and then future years the only cost would be the property tax! A private party on private land eliminates lots of problems.

Damn right! looking for argument with that cannot find it...

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Wed May 03, 2006 10:55 pm

stargeezer wrote:Why deal with the BLM at all? $700K would buy a nice chunk of desert, and then future years all the only cost would be the property tax! A private party on private land eliminates lots of problems.

I wonder if it wouldn't create other problems like insurance / potential liability issues? Also where else are you going to find a site like that with similar qualities in regards to the ability to heal up a bit after heavy use? Also there's the issues of logistics, if you read the afterburn report they put up radio towers to link to the office in Gerlach...another location might wipe out their investment in communications. Also what about highway access....the current location is easy to get to off of 447....it's not going to be as easy as people think to cash in the "we're going to pack up and move elsewhere card".

Another thought that comes to mind as I wrote that...if the LLC does agree to an increase in funding for local LE, perhaps it would give them a bit more influence when dealing with Ron Skinner and his tendencies to shut down controversial camps. If he knows that throttling those camps might cut a primary source of funding for his operations he may have a second thought before he goes out trying to be the morality police.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed May 03, 2006 11:11 pm

Ron Jiffy Skinner is the real problem wants to milk the cash cow(money) and more morality control the right to evict for good cause thing just frigging pisses me off..
Plus why are they doing any sting operations at all? what justification are using are they cleaning up a neigborhood that wipes itself off the map every year?

ability to heal up a bit after heavy use

another thorn ouch! When people talk about Playa scars! I hate that term there are no Scars. Scars are a permanent disfigurement one good rain or flood they are gone it is a dead lake bed for christ's sake

stargeezer · Post by **stargeezer** » Wed May 03, 2006 11:13 pm

Why worry about insurance and liability issues, that is why an LLC would own it. As for location, I have driven through Nevada for years, and there are a lot of places close to a major highway that would be nice sites, and it may be possible to get close enough to a cell tower to solve all the communication issues. If you think inside the box, you get trapped in it!

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed May 03, 2006 11:15 pm

I got the subtle or not so subtle impression that nothing is going to change in the next four years as for location in the ABR 2005

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Wed May 03, 2006 11:23 pm

stargeezer wrote:Why worry about insurance and liability issues, that is why an LLC would own it.

I'm going to draw flak for mentioning the name but I feel it will get the point across. Kathy Lampman. The eplaya has posts about the aftermath of what happened and how almost anyone that could be named in a lawsuit was. Not worrying about insurance or liability regardless of the site location is not an option and a quick review of that situation should reinforce the point I'm trying to make.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed May 03, 2006 11:30 pm

Kinetic IV wrote:
stargeezer wrote:Why worry about insurance and liability issues, that is why an LLC would own it.
I'm going to draw flak for mentioning the name but I feel it will get the point across. Kathy Lampman. The eplaya has posts about the aftermath of what happened and how almost anyone that could be named in a lawsuit was. Not worrying about insurance or liability regardless of the site location is not an option and a quick review of that situation should reinforce the point I'm trying to make.

How did that case finish up? or has it? the family was taking a ding at just about anyone on the Playa that day...

stargeezer · Post by **stargeezer** » Wed May 03, 2006 11:48 pm

Sorry, I lost my head. I keep thinking that people will take responsibility for their own actions, but I know this is where things can turn very ugly. Yes, I will agree that the insurance is a necessary evil. All accidents are the fault of someone, just ask the lawyers!

ravenluv · Post by **ravenluv** » Thu May 04, 2006 12:24 pm

what ever happened to the rave act? weren't they supposed to be charging private property owners a bunch of money if an event is held on their land in which illicit drugs and/or drug use is discovered?

i've never heard of anyone being charged under that act and i know that the constitutionality of it hasn't been tested. nonetheless, as long as it is on the books it presents the potential of a new way to hassle a private property owner hosting a gigantic arts event.

also, i wasn't aware of mr. skinner's activities. hearing of that makes the 'evict with good cause' stipulation all the more dangerous. i can see 'good cause' being construed as removing things from the event which are deemed inappropriate for children. and since there are children at the event....

....won't someone please think of the children?

that was my simpson quote for the day...

citizen and exhile : the status

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Fri May 05, 2006 11:48 am

The Black Rock Rangers evict people for no reason at all other than being nuisances and/or pissing off the head ranger. Why shouldn't the cops evict with good cause?

Last I heard, the Indians don't want you because they don't want to be associated with your hippie pseudo-religious bullshit ceremonies.

capjbadger · Post by **capjbadger** » Fri May 05, 2006 2:15 pm

Bob wrote:Last I heard, the Indians don't want you because they don't want to be associated with your hippie pseudo-religious bullshit ceremonies.

Last I checked, I'm not a hippie, nor religuous (pseudo or otherwise), no bullshit, and definiately no ceremonies.

Lets give the shit flinging a rest, eh Bob?

ravenluv · Post by **ravenluv** » Fri May 05, 2006 6:20 pm

well, at least we've progressed beyond white folks not wanting to be associated with the pagan psuedo-religious bullshit ceremonies of the indians!

someday, in the best of all worlds, everyone will come together in a great orgy of association with the psuedo-religious bullshit ceremonies of all peoples and creeds. it will be magical - the fundamentalist shall lie down with the occultist and they shall make fairy wings for their atheist friends!

if you'd like to know more about this glorious future, i encourage you to associate with my psuedo-religion and participate in my bullshit ceremonies. that is, if we can find someplace that will tolerate us...

true spirituality and bullshit ceremonies : the free will

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Sat May 06, 2006 10:49 am

Brilliant. Save that for the next public meeting in Bareback, NV.

Really, this whole thing has to be the fault of somebody not knowing the right palms to grease. Buhrnurzh will be asked to make up for it, in the end.

ravenluv · Post by **ravenluv** » Mon May 08, 2006 7:57 am

i will save it for the next meeting. and then, when i've delivered my inspiring blather, we'll all get in a circle and om for awhile. then there will be a big group hug, followed by a cleaning of the chakras. before you know it, everyone will be saying "aw, we don't need to be fighting and fussing over money!"

that's when i'll offer them the chance to buy, at the special price of $39.95, my 2 DVD serires on learning to live a life not ruled by money.

money and work : the wage rate

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:58 pm

Last I heard, the Indians don't want you because they don't want to be associated with your hippie pseudo-religious bullshit ceremonies.

translated that might be read as 'the local indian tribe mebers are a bit more socially conservative that a lot of people might think. they ain't that comfortably with nudity, they ain't that comfortable with the alleged drug use that takes place by some participants and they damn sure aren't all that OK with public inebriation. remember that alcohol has all but decimated the social fabric of many native american tribes.'

Cabanasprings · Post by **Cabanasprings** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:32 pm

And, don't forget the whole - men wearing dresses thing. That scares um right out of there loin clothes.

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Mon May 08, 2006 6:28 pm

That scares um right out of there loin clothes.

Spare us your stereotypes asshat.

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Mon May 08, 2006 6:58 pm

Isotopia wrote:
That scares um right out of there loin clothes.
Spare us your stereotypes asshat.

Spare all of us the sanctimonious rants from the sick, twisted mind of a discriminatory prick who takes sport in antagonizing others and thinks that his opinion as a Ranger is burnier than thou and should be force fed down our fucking throats everytime someone says something that's not in line with his jacked up point of view.

By the way as you think of some comeback about cancer boy or the other rants you like to throw my way, I've got a simple message for you. Go fuck yourself. No better yet go find a goat, after all that's the real reason you moved to Tennessee.

Cabanasprings · Post by **Cabanasprings** » Tue May 09, 2006 8:51 am

translated that might be read as 'the local indian tribe mebers are a bit more socially conservative that a lot of people might think. they ain't that comfortably with nudity, they ain't that comfortable with the alleged drug use that takes place by some participants and they damn sure aren't all that OK with public inebriation. remember that alcohol has all but decimated the social fabric of many native american tribes.'

the local indian tribe mebers ain't that comfortably with you calling me an asshat. Squaw!

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:39 am

Shirley, the BRC-LLC is aware that the local Paiute have more in common with your average local resident (redneck) than the crowd of art festers who show up for one week out of the year, but the scenario of holding the event on tribal land would undoubtedly only add a couple more layers of bureaucracy to that which exists already, leave aside the spectre of white city folk faking kinship & concern with the plight of benighted & dewatered savages.

On the plus side, the I'd be looking forward to Indian Tacos on the Cafe menu.

Oh, and fuck you, Kinetic(x).

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Tue May 09, 2006 2:30 pm

Bob wrote:Oh, and fuck you, Kinetic(x).

You're a bit too "Burnier than thou" for my taste. As a former DPW / engineer that hasn't stepped foot on the playa in quite some time during the actual event, you sure have an opinion on everything. It's too bad you're being spoonfed by the 3playa and are relying on second hand information to make your points with.

Since that may be too complex for you...it's all a nice way of saying you're irrelevant to me, I'm just too lazy to plonk you. I do wish you would take your rants back to the 3playa though....you're wasting space here.

By the way if you're really needing "relief" so bad as to proposition me, you may wanna track down Badger, that is if you can pry him away from those Tennessee goats long enough.

ThePikey · Post by **ThePikey** » Tue May 09, 2006 2:52 pm

Get a ROOM you three, sheesh. Spare us your bizarre courtship rituals.

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Tue May 09, 2006 2:57 pm

There's no three way going on...I'm not part of their bizarre rituals. They can have each other for all I care.

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:04 pm

Speaking of bizare rituals...

Reforging the circle....of deception

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:10 pm

That's the best you can come up with? Sheesh.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:30 pm

oh neverfuckingmind

Cabanasprings · Post by **Cabanasprings** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:54 pm

Bob wrote: On the plus side, the I'd be looking forward to Indian Tacos on the Cafe menu.

Isotopia doesn't have an Indian Taco - he's really a dude.

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:55 pm

Cabanasprings wrote:
Bob wrote: On the plus side, the I'd be looking forward to Indian Tacos on the Cafe menu.
Isotopia doesn't have an Indian Taco - he's really a dude.

Correction: Badger is a "dude". Isotopia is a sock puppet, albeit one with a serious makeup problem.

BLM proposing raising fees - your help needed

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