Bet on Bush??

[Lassen Forge]

Are you kidding? On the radar screen?

They already *have* your information. You posted here, right? To quote a certain theme kamp... You are already f***ing doomed...

BTW... public computers are monitored to make sure "terrorists" don't use them to plot things. And Raptor et seq was NOT a farce. Hell, they can monitor your keystrokes as you type them.

The only chance you have is... well... you really don't, unless you're on the inside. Even then, remember, O'Brien's viewscreen in his Inner Party office only gave the appearance of being turned off...

Leads to the mantra... "Ignorance is Bliss".

Now returning to norml operations...

bb

[joel the ornery]

Hell, they can monitor your keystrokes as you type them.

is that why i get such joy in typing "fuck you" "eat me" and "your mother sucks cocks in hell" ???

inquiring minds want to know.

[helitack]

I am going to nominate Ann Richards for Prez.

[DVD Burner]

Speaking of being on the radar, this happened a few months ago in L.A.:


http://news.tmcnet.com/news/2005/oct/1196048.htm


[October 21, 2005]
SBC Intros IP-Based Surveillance
By JOHANNE TORRES
TMCnet VoIP Minute Watch Columnist
SBC Communications Inc. introduced on Friday its new IP-based system for remote monitoring of business network equipment and other critical info technology infrastructure. The system enables enterprises to monitor equipment at multiple sites from a centralized location, enabling customers to ensure that network issues are rapidly detected and rectified by video at remote locations without the need of regular IT staffing.
"Asset protection is a high priority for many organizations today, as businesses increasingly depend on networks and IT infrastructure to maintain day-to-day operations," said Mark P. Fishler, vice president, SBC Product Management. "At the same time, network and IT equipment is often spread out among multiple locations, and it is often impractical to have on-site staff to monitor and manage equipment at every site. The SBC IP Surveillance solution is designed to provide a highly efficient and cost-effective alternative for these types of businesses."
SBC is the first telecom to deliver an IP-based monitoring system which bundles NetBotz technology, and is currently available today for customers in 19 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. NetBotz Inc. is a Web-based monitoring system provider.
The IP-based monitoring system is comprised of IP cameras with motion detectors, temperature sensors, power surge detectors, humidity sensors, fluid detectors, particle sensors, door sensors, and other detection equipment based on specialized customer requirements for larger spaces, such as data centers or manufacturing floors, or small spaces, such as equipment closets and server rooms.
Additionally, the system automatically alerts cleared individuals of potential problems through e-mail, SNMP (simple network management protocol), HTTP POST, telephone or pager notices.
Be sure not to miss the security and surveillance over IP session at Internet Telephony Conference & Expo next week taking place at the Los Angeles Convention Center in California.
Today's news follows SBC's recently announced partnership with the St. Louis Cardinals Major League Baseball team. The team decided to hire SBC in order to ratchet up its communications technology and give VoIP a try. The team, who tapped SBC for the telecom switchover project, should have the new system ready when it moves its ticket sales and business operations into the new Busch Stadium by 2006.
The new, five-year agreement called for SBC companies to deliver a VoIP system comprised of Cisco Systems Architecture for Voice, Video and Integrated Data (AVVID) platform. SBC will also provide the MLB team with the PremierSERV Dedicated Internet Access (DIA) to support the IP-based telephony system. SBC had already served as the team's primary provider for data, network and voice services.
SBC Communications Inc.
http://www.sbc.com
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Johanne Torres is contributing editor for TMCnet. To see more articles by Johanne Torres, please visit:
http://www.tmcnet.com/tmcnet/columnists ... e%20Torres

[Lassen Forge]

Hell, they can monitor your keystrokes as you type them.

is that why i get such joy in typing "fuck you" "eat me" and "your mother sucks cocks in hell" ???

inquiring minds want to know.

Yes, yes, and yes! >>giggles<<

bb

[can't sit still]

12/23/05 - Congress Digs in Its Heels to Defy Bush
After four years in which Congress repeatedly laid down while President Bush dictated his priorities, 2005 will go down as the year legislators stood up. This week's uprising against a four-year extension of the USA Patriot Act was the latest example of a new willingness by lawmakers in both parties to challenge Bush and his notions of expansive executive power. "What you have seen is a Congress, which has been AWOL through intimidation or lack of unity, get off the sidelines and jump in with both feet," especially on the national security front, said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. What is most striking is the pushback is coming not just from Democrats and moderate Republicans, who often disagree with Bush, but from mainstream conservative members. The year's events, say some legislators and scholars, reflect more than just a change in the president's legislative scorecard. They suggest Bush may have reached the outer limits of a long-term project to reshape the powers of the presidency. - Online MSNBC poll Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment? - of 126118 responses - 85% say Yes

[BigCock]

No, I believe we, the people have allowed ourselves to be governed by corporate puppets.

That is exactly what I meant to say. Thanks Joel.

Very well said, gentelmen!!
bb

While I agree that 'the people' are guilty of willful ignorance, I don't think it's fair to say that the concerted effort by the bush regime to rip off this country is the product of the people's passivity. This regime is organized crime - the mafia - using coercion, extortion and murder to empower the dons. Now the figurehead publicly confessed to a felony. He'll go down and the mafia will loose some power as a result. But the syndicate remains in place making sure 'the people' are divided and conquered.

I think what we need is a hero. It sounds corny because we are all cynical. But nothing but a hero can cut through the cynicism.

[can't sit still]

Unfortunately, the cock is right. Party loyalty is the only thing that matters. Unquestioning obedience to the head Don a, er, president.

Yes, the syndicate will go on. We can't tear it down without tearing down the country. A hero would be nice, but the Washington gangs, the Mafia and the Vatican all work on long-term strategies. They'll just wait out the hero and continue after his passing.
The gangs are pretty successful at blocking heros from making structural changes to the sources of power that the gangs have created.

The powers of all-pervasive surveillance? and almost unchecked intimidation make it extremely difficult for one person to make effective changes to the power base of the gangs.

A different mindset of the people is the only thing that would be really effective. We have our "bread and circuses" and gov will try to ensure that it stays that way to keep us pacified.

Gov becomes incrementally more invasive and controlling until, from some points of view, we're in a straightjacket.

One of the few escapes from that straightjacket is to go out to a pristine desert and just hang out for a few days out of the reach of the dirty invasive taint of gov.
Dan

[lurker]

y'know what allways bugs me?

this 'corporations are evil' crap.

Corporations are everywhere. When I was a kid I worked at a newsstand--it was a corporation, A little mom-and pop shop.

There's a hell of a lot of activist groups that are incorporated.

And I love reading little alternative newsweeklies railing against 'corporate news' while the paper they're writing for is just as incorporated.

And another thing, this whole Bush hysteria thing, it's just like the Clinton hysteria in reverse--although, I gotta say, I think the Bush hyteriasts have it a bit worse than the Clinton ones did--they were quickly lumped in with the 'black helicopter folk'--anyway, I can't understand the craziness. Bush'll be gone soon, and then everyone gets another chance. Sometimes your guy gets in, sometimes he doesn't. That doesn't mean that the country is descending into fascism. It just means that you've gotta wait four years to try again. And you'll get to go again.

Why act like someone's setting up a royal succession?

[BigCock]

... A different mindset of the people is the only thing that would be really effective. We have our "bread and circuses" and gov will try to ensure that it stays that way to keep us pacified.

One of the few escapes from that straightjacket is to go out to a pristine desert and just hang out for a few days out of the reach of the dirty invasive taint of gov.

Here here. A willingness to move outside of a narrow reactionary perspective is hopeful. The experience is a salvation. I'm praying for salvation because otherwise we're going down, fast, hard and ugly.

[lurker]

Burning Man is government sanctioned.

Isn't that scary?

The government, which could if it wanted, stop BM from happening(well, at least at the playa), lets BM continue.

Why?

Why would the republicans(who, let's face it, pretty much control all the major branches of government) allow Burning Man to go on?

It's a puzzle, that's for sure.

[Lassen Forge]

Ready for Condi's run for the white house???

Rumors have it they're starting to stoke her to go against Hillary. They're already starting the spin...

WE are NOT amused.

bb

________

What happened to the old Republican Party, where individuals and rights mattered? And you didn't have to be a neo-con rightwing religious fruitcake (with questionable morals and dictatorial empirical ambitions) or have the designs of greed and big oil to be a part of it? What happened to the party that gave a damn? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REAL REPUBLICAN PARTY?

Monger's Lament
2005

[lurker]

Oh there was some 'dream candidate poll that someone set up, where you could create the ticket you want from the possible. Condi trounced Hillary.

I like that word. Trounced. It's like you're bouncing. Snottily. And for some reason, even though it sounds as if you're jumping on somebody, it's more polite than 'trashed'

But yeah, She beat Hillary in those polls. Granted, neither of them is running, and if they were, there's a chance neither of them will be the nominees--both parties look like they're getting ready to shoot themselves in the foot again(though, after this many times, don't you with they'd go for the head?)

There are republicans out there who think it'd be a good idea to run ANOTHER Bush. And there are democrats who think Kerry should get another go.

And all the so called 'third parties' are too crazy to get someone to electable prominence.

[Lassen Forge]

Who would I like to see run for '08?

Republican - McCain
Democrat - Dean

That will never happen, tho, as neither would be a "puppet" president. And that would be unthinkable. The Cabinet wouldn't allow it.

>rant deleted<
bb

[can't sit still]

Well, Bush wanted to push beyond the limits of presidential authority and,,,,,,,John Yoo told him he could do it. Yoo's alma mater, Berzerkly is quite unhappy. They want to torture him by tying him in a chair and reading the "Federalist Papers" to him.
http://www.robertsilvey.com/notes/impeachment/

The telecoms contractually agree not to release your private info. They released it to GW and NSA,,,now their collective asses are liable for breach of contract. GW couldn't care less but they are quite pissed.
Dan

[helitack]

Clinton, Hillary. The next prresident. Get used to it. It's gonna happen.

[Kinetic IV]

The telecoms contractually agree not to release your private info. They released it to GW and NSA,,,now their collective asses are liable for breach of contract. GW couldn't care less but they are quite pissed.

There are loopholes and exclusions for everything, especially when the actions in question were done in the interest of protecting National Security. As for the odds of taking any of the telecoms to court and actually winning a suit against them over this...I'll take the odds on winning Powerball or MegaMillions as it should be more favorable.

Or in other words it ain't gonna happen.

[can't sit still]

bush is really starting to show his meglomaniac side. He continues to show his stupidity. He believes that he's untouchable.
He's got quite an immagination if he thinks Jeb would be acceptable.

He could get better or worse. I hope and pray that he gets worse.
When the day comes that he is eviscerated and drawn and quartered, it will serve as an object lesson to others who would contemplate an assault on the constitution, the judiciary and the legislature,,,,not to mention the American public ,oh yeah,,,and half the rest of the world.
I hope that he stays the course until he becomes the worst kind of pariah.
I want to see his legacy of blood and corruption sealed in stone, his name enshrined in filth becoming a person who has destroyed so many and so much.

[Ron]

Bush serve as a lesson? Sure, that the U.S. voters really are willing to grab their ankles to anyone who will wave around a gun and a bible. I'm with those who are saying it's not Bush's fault, it's our fault.

More folk vote for the next American Idol than for our president. Most voters are so historically ignorant as to be unable to have seen Iraq for what it was before the fact, even when good ol' Baghdad Jim laid it out, bright and clear. And then, when the facts on the ground prove him correct, as a nation we continue to ridicule him rather than assessing him the credibly saying the truth to power ought to convey. Bush did lie to start this war, Jim McDermitt said Bush would do so in advance of that, and as a nation we're willfully ignorant of those events. Among many others.

Everyone knows that our voting system is horribly broken. We can't be sure that our vote was counted in the same way we can be sure that the banks take clean care of our money. But do we care? Nah. There's more people out there organizing to save their favorite fucking TV show that got cancelled than are organizing to clean up our politics. We yawn and scratch our asses while we hope that the margin of error in any given election will be larger than the margin of confusion created by both the broken system and all sides making equal efforts to cheat that broken system but we don't really do anything.

Everyone bitches about the horrible media, but won't pay for a subscription to a good newspaper and as a result we're loosing diversity in the print media nearly as fast as we're losing species in the wild. And too many of those who do vote base their decisions on the "feel," they get for a candidate, rather than the positions they espouse. McCain was a perfect example of that, IMHO. Anyone who both decries the war and supports McCain is beyond me as he's a big supporter of boots on the ground. Support abortion rights? Did you know that McCain has said that Roe V. Wade should be overturned so that the states can criminalize it on their own? Although he was big enough to say that only the doctors performing abortions should be prosecuted, not the women getting them. Gay marriage? Not on McCain's watch. Hope you think the drug war is a good idea as McCain is a big time drug warrior. And so on.

Unless and until we voters stop pointing the fingers at the press, the corporations, the politicians, and so on and start accepting responsibility for the mess we've made we're not going to get anywhere, IMHO. When three or four folk out of five are members of local and national political organizations, when voting turnout hits 80% and stays there for a number of elections, when the silly taboo on discussing politics dies its well deserved death and folk can be as interested in issues of gerrymandering and districting as they are in what the spring fashions are (or who one the last ball game) then we'll be able to both get somewhere and blame someone else if it doesn't work. Until then we're just a bunch of sheep, as far as I can see.

Ron

PS Baaaaaaaaah!

[hunter S]

AAAhhh-men! brother Ron!! Hang a Judge, save a country.
We as a voting public never pay any attention to the judicial branch & if you look at the records of these "appointed yahoo's" it would turn your stomach. We have to take responsibility for our own mess. The media will only tell about the prize fight never the real match ups! Follow the $$$
no where in the constitution dose it say judges have to be lawyers first!

[Rabbi Dali Rick]

It seems here recently we've just traded one pawn for another.... But what's a person to do? I still vote, even if only to voice a protest with a write-in candidate, I like Mickey Mouse, nice guy, and he's got a really cool park......






"I ask for, not at once no government, but at once a better government. Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect, and that will be one step toward obtaining it." Thoreau






the rebbi

[can't sit still]

Rob, Hunter, you'll get no argument from me.
For the sake of speculation; what would it take to get people to change their priorities???????????

The western world has a terror of death that the simple savage never knew. We cover up the excavated dirt at the gravesite. We no longer lower the body and throw in a handful of dirt.

We fly through life trying to cram some kind of experience into every moment. We want to live long and healthy, but we consume a diet that accomplishes the opposite.
We profess to care about freedom but won't take the time to safeguard it.

What would it take to get people to safeguard their own health and freedom???
I think a lot of the problem boils down to shortsightedness. How do you get people to take an interest in their long-term future instead of just short-term gratification?

"Girls just want to have fun"
We've got tonight, who needs tomorrow"

We've been inculcated to think in the short-term only. What would it take to undo this?

And for extra credit on your exam; Take a stand and support it, "should we shoot all ad men?"
Dan

[PlayaPetal]

Vote for Pedro!

[cowboyangel]

if Hillary gets in I go to Ukraine, forever.

[can't sit still]

OK Burners, We're all agreed; WE let it happen. Now's the time to strike a blow for the cause of freedom.

We all know that there is no freedom without a free press. There is no freedom that can't be stolen from an uninformed electorate.

As long as the big "paper press" needs big money, they will be easily controlled.

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[can't sit still]

Lurker wrote;

"And another thing, this whole Bush hysteria thing, it's just like the Clinton hysteria in reverse--although, I gotta say, I think the Bush hyteriasts have it a bit worse than the Clinton ones did--they were quickly lumped in with the 'black helicopter folk'--anyway, I can't understand the craziness. Bush'll be gone soon, and then everyone gets another chance. Sometimes your guy gets in, sometimes he doesn't. That doesn't mean that the country is descending into fascism. It just means that you've gotta wait four years to try again. And you'll get to go again.
Why act like someone's setting up a royal succession?"

I wonder if he's changed his attitude yet. Bush is looking like the most destructive thing to come along in ages.
"Capitol Crimes" aired on PBS wednesday. It showed the absolute depths of depravity that many of our leaders have sunk to. WE the people hold some responsibility but Bush originally packaged himself as a conservative. The changes that have occurred would have been difficult to predict years ago.

Bush has pushed up the refurbishment and deployment of the Eisenhower. There's no doubt that he's paranoid. He probably believes that the house is lost. He needs to initiate the war with Iran before anyone makes an attempt to rein him in.
Iran is well defended with Russian and Silkworm missles. I find it difficult to imagine a battle strategy that doesn't include nukes.

Rove? said that there would be an october surprise. Wonder what it could be. Somehow, I just don't believe that the Eisenhower is going to rotate out the Enterprise.

The Bush camp proved themselves to be fucking morons as far as predicting the outcome of the Iraqui adventure. I can't see them being any better at controlling the situation in Iran. They may not even care. They have god on their side and that's all that matters.

Once the battle is joined, it may necessitate an all out genocidal war on islam. That may be all that he hopes to accomplish. Light up the world.
A meglomaniac pawn of the masters of war.
Dan

[joel the ornery]

alrighty then.

[doberman]

i like the "war on terror" as much as i love the "war on drugs", as no-one seems to be able to buy drugs anymore.. or is there any in the U.S.?!

one from the famous "platzspitz"-countries following this discussion..

er, before i forgot: fuel-prices have going DOWN lately.. STILL they are much higher than in the U.S...

[DVD Burner]

[BAS]

i like the "war on terror" as much as i love the "war on drugs", as no-one seems to be able to buy drugs anymore.. or is there any in the U.S.?!

one from the famous "platzspitz"-countries following this discussion..

er, before i forgot: fuel-prices have going DOWN lately.. STILL they are much higher than in the U.S...

No, there are no drugs to be had anywhere in the United States of America. The War On Drugs has been so successful that not one single attendee of Burning Man was anything but "clean and sober". The event might as well have been run by the Mormon church! <sigh>




B.