The Bar

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:09 pm

There ya go. Share the wealth. give someone a job!

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:16 pm

Rockdad wrote:85 here not as bad as I thought it was going to be and only 25% humidity

Well, dang. So much for my predictive power...

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:23 pm

Well you would be right most of the time. I think a lot of the humidty gets trapped over on the coastal mountains?

BigCock · Post by **BigCock** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:27 pm

... humidity trap? The naughty mind is intrigued.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:29 pm

Hey BC good to see you hanging around again!

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:30 pm

Rockdad wrote:Well you would be right most of the time. I think a lot of the humidty gets trapped over on the coastal mountains?

Well, I'm thinking that there are two sources. 1--the fog, and that does get trapped. 2 --the Great Central Valley is a swamp, evn though it is it's in a Mediterannean climate. So it's a great place to grow rice and a great place to go bird watching in the winter, and a terrible place to put housing in low lieing areas. Cause when those levys go...

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:37 pm

The Feds, the State. the experts all said no safe housing! The developers spread some money around and now the the houses spring up behind the Delta levee's on the most fertile land in the country. Even better now the courts have ruled if they fail the state is responsible for the cost! Developers just build and run.

A Sacramento flood is supposed to be worse than New Orleans with more lives and houses gone.

EspressoDude · Post by **EspressoDude** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:41 pm

who says houses aren't a crop......or people.......fertile land indeed....LOL

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:46 pm

Preaching to the choir there, rockdad. Plus I've seen some of those places near teh Russian River...
And paving silicone valley--used to be a great fruit producing region. And orange county.
Not that Ag isn't problematic in California. Not enough water. But it seems to me in my silly way that it would be a good idea to grow as much as we can on arable land and build elsewhere.
Leaving plenty for wilderness too.

This is why you should vote for me as absolute fishtater in November.

uBeRpLaYa · Post by **uBeRpLaYa** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:56 pm

pErHaPs i ShOuLd hAvE mOvEd bAcK tO PaLo aLtO aNd rUn MySeLf

BigCock · Post by **BigCock** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:05 pm

Howdy StRaNgEr! You can't be serious about Palo Alto. Here, let me fetch you a drink to help you snap out of it.

uBeRpLaYa · Post by **uBeRpLaYa** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:19 pm

i aM mAkInG wAy tOo mUcH mOnEy hErE tO eVeN cOnSiDeR rEtUrNiNg. nOw tHe aSsHoLe pRoFeSsOr tYpEs aNd oThErS gRoVeL aT mY fEeT.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:22 pm

theCryptofishist wrote: Not that Ag isn't problematic in California. Not enough water. But it seems to me in my silly way that it would be a good idea to grow as much as we can on arable land and build elsewhere.
Leaving plenty for wilderness too.
.

Plenty of water in the North State for AG and the fishes if we did not export it to the desert they call Los Angeles. Now the Fishes in the Delta die and the breadbasket to the world does not have enough water either!
I have always been in favor of two Californias north and south and then shut off the Tap. (State Water project) those pools down south would make nice cactus planters

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:22 pm

I could have told you that!
and
they seem completely oblivious to the fact that ftms might really be interested

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:22 pm

uBeRpLaYa! Nice to see you in the bar foxy lady.

uBeRpLaYa · Post by **uBeRpLaYa** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:23 pm

Rockdad wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote: Not that Ag isn't problematic in California. Not enough water. But it seems to me in my silly way that it would be a good idea to grow as much as we can on arable land and build elsewhere.
Leaving plenty for wilderness too.
.
Plenty of water in the North State for AG and the fishes if we did not export it to the desert they call Los Angeles. Now the Fishes in the Delta die and the breadbasket to the world does not have enough water either!
I have always been in favor of two Californias north and south and then shut off the Tap. (State Water project) those pools down south would make nice cactus planters

sO mUcH fOr "cOmMuNiTy"

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:24 pm

Rockdad wrote: I have always been in favor of two Californias north and south and then shut off the Tap. (State Water project) those pools down south would make nice cactus planters

I think it would actually split in 3 north coast, south coast and rural.

But yeah, there's a whole lot of stuff that gets wasted in lifestyle issues. Like why do we all have lawns as if we were English landed gentry? Didn't we have a revolution 230 years ago rejecting that?

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:28 pm

uBeRpLaYa wrote:
Rockdad wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote: Not that Ag isn't problematic in California. Not enough water. But it seems to me in my silly way that it would be a good idea to grow as much as we can on arable land and build elsewhere.
Leaving plenty for wilderness too.
.
Plenty of water in the North State for AG and the fishes if we did not export it to the desert they call Los Angeles. Now the Fishes in the Delta die and the breadbasket to the world does not have enough water either!
I have always been in favor of two Californias north and south and then shut off the Tap. (State Water project) those pools down south would make nice cactus planters
sO mUcH fOr "cOmMuNiTy"

It is not about community! They are sustaining a unsustainable lifestyle at the expense of the Nor Cal environment and community.

They destroyed Owens valley and the Delta for they're own selfish needs.

uBeRpLaYa · Post by **uBeRpLaYa** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:32 pm

cOrReCt mE iF i aM wRoNg bUt tHeSe pRoJeCtS wErE dOnE oVeR tWeNtY yEaRs aGo. wEaLtHy cOrPoRaTiOnS aNd pOwErFuL, wEaLtHy PeOpLe pUsHeD tHe pRoJeCtS tHrOuGh. wE cAn'T gO bAcK. wHiNiNg aBoUt tHe pAsT wHeN tHeRe iS nOtHiNg tHaT cAn bE dOnE iS LiKe mAsTuRbAtInG wItH sAnDpApEr, nO pOiNt

BigCock · Post by **BigCock** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:34 pm

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure all the swimming pools, manacured lawns, car washes, etc. only account for about 1/10 the water consumption in the south. The rest is ag.

The best solution to this problem and the impending thread drift problem is to drink more beer and wine.

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:40 pm

beer, don't mind if i do.

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:40 pm

uBeRpLaYa wrote:cOrReCt mE iF i aM wRoNg bUt tHeSe pRoJeCtS wErE dOnE oVeR tWeNtY yEaRs aGo. wEaLtHy cOrPoRaTiOnS aNd pOwErFuL, wEaLtHy PeOpLe pUsHeD tHe pRoJeCtS tHrOuGh. wE cAn'T gO bAcK. wHiNiNg aBoUt tHe pAsT wHeN tHeRe iS nOtHiNg tHaT cAn bE dOnE iS LiKe mAsTuRbAtInG wItH sAnDpApEr, nO pOiNt

Even further back than that Owens Valley was bought up and they began draining it in the 1940's
(Movie Chinatown) but it is not whining and even old mistakes can be corrected and they are still trying to put the peripheral canal through too bypass the Delta completley which would kill it!

Right out my window I can see both the aqueducts going south if they only knew how many cars and dead bodies were in that water....

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:42 pm

See just my point BC what about the Beer plants if they run out of water it would be a disaster!

uBeRpLaYa · Post by **uBeRpLaYa** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:45 pm

LiKe i sAiD, MORE tHaN tWeNtY yEaRs aGo.

tHe PoPuLaTiOn iN tHe sOuTh hAs bEeN iNcReAsInG sInCe tHe tUrN oF tHe LaSt cEnTuRy. mOrE PeOpLe, mOrE vOtEs, mOrE cOrPoRaTe iNfLuEnCe wItH tHe sTaTe LeGisLaTuRe. wOuLd yOu LiKe tO sTaRt wItH 300 gRiT oR gO rIgHt tO tHe 60?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:46 pm

Rockdad wrote: they are still trying to put the peripheral canal through too bypass the Delta completley which would kill it!

Oh honey, they may already have killed it, if you're following the smelt issue.

Bin Noddin · Post by **Bin Noddin** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:47 pm

Rockdad wrote:what about the Beer plants

Do you mean the fields of barley or the breweries?

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:47 pm

uBeRpLaYa wrote:LiKe i sAiD, MORE tHaN tWeNtY yEaRs aGo.

tHe PoPuLaTiOn iN tHe sOuTh hAs bEeN iNcReAsInG sInCe tHe tUrN oF tHe LaSt cEnTuRy. mOrE PeOpLe, mOrE vOtEs, mOrE cOrPoRaTe iNfLuEnCe wItH tHe sTaTe LeGisLaTuRe. wOuLd yOu LiKe tO sTaRt wItH 300 gRiT oR gO rIgHt tO tHe 60?

Actually would like a 800 grit and polish it up for the Playa!
Can you send a couple pics and I will get right on it!

uBeRpLaYa · Post by **uBeRpLaYa** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:49 pm

nO mOrE pIcS

Rockdad · Post by **Rockdad** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:51 pm

Darn ok well... toast to big money and influence then!

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:52 pm

anybody for a game of cards?