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MYT - Massive Yet Tiny engine

Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Sun May 21, 2006 6:39 pm

New Engine Announced

The result was a revolutionary design with a power-to-weight ratio up to 40 to 1, over 3,000 ft/lbs of torque, and a diesel-mode mileage in excess of 150 mpg!
The article and videos are very exciting. The MYT Engine Testing video starts out with a really neat view of the engine. But the LA Auto-Show Presentation is 10 minutes and has the whole explanation.



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Re: MYT - Massive Yet Tiny engine

Post by capjbadger » Mon May 22, 2006 11:40 pm

Rabbi Dali Rick wrote:New Engine Announced

The result was a revolutionary design with a power-to-weight ratio up to 40 to 1, over 3,000 ft/lbs of torque, and a diesel-mode mileage in excess of 150 mpg!
The article and videos are very exciting. The MYT Engine Testing video starts out with a really neat view of the engine. But the LA Auto-Show Presentation is 10 minutes and has the whole explanation.

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Oh. Damn. Gods I hope that it lives up to the claims. Though I'd swear I've seen engine setup before... Perhaps it was a Stirling engine design...
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Post by can't sit still » Tue May 23, 2006 8:05 am

The Stirling looks to be the first thing implemented. They've ordered up thousands of them[coupled to a solar concentrator].
http://www.sesusa.org/links.htm

The major truck engine manufacturers have just spent a gazillion dollars to get their engines compliant with 2007 emision standards. I doubt that they want to retool for anything new. If they had any balls, they would investigate improvements.\
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a ... WEEKSISSUE

I joined the Yahoo group that is building the Bedini energiser. I built one. Not too long ago, John Bedini posted to the group and told us that we would never see overunity with our devices. Wonderful.

I think his backers are calling the shots. When one really inspired member started posting on an alternative list [monopole] ,,,They shut the list down. He was talking about cascading effects like those produced by Gray. Both monopole lists were blanked the next day.

Right now I'm looking at the Green engine. It looks like it has great possibilities when coupled to a solar concentrator.
http://www.greensteamengine.com/
I'd like to build one. It wouldn't make any sense to build it solar if it won't get any beter efficiency than a solar-electric cell.
But I figure that if they're building solar-stirling there must be some advantage to solar heat motors over solar light collection.
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A New Energy source....

Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Fri May 26, 2006 9:25 pm

Nano Carbon-based Springs that produce energy from temputure expansion, when the spring is heated it expands until it reaches it's limit and then a quantum reaction of the nano-carbon, releases the built up heat energy and snaps back to it's okrigial tension, and the process starts all over again ....



Let's call it the Spring Theory







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Post by can't sit still » Sat May 27, 2006 1:25 pm

Spring Theory?????????????
Since the carbon is black, I think that you're dealing with "dark matter"
If you imput heat with no light, the energy released must be
"dark energy".
You've obviously built a "quantum tunneling" dark-matter broadcast device.
You'll have the Borg here in a couple of years. :roll:
They'll give us all the free energy we can use,,,,plus a few implants.
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When did you move from Hollywierd to Red Rock city?
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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Sat May 27, 2006 4:21 pm

Just moved out. I bought almost 40 acres and in negotion for another 40. Just put in power, satallite internet, and direct tv. The intention is to make a new world from the ground up. I fugure the way things are such a mess and so many are desperate to keep antiquated systems up and running in attempt to retain their lucrative franchises and cash cows that bleed the common people.

"You've obviously built a "quantum tunneling" dark-matter broadcast device. "

Yeah, and I think it's set on overload. wait what's this toggle switch?.....





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Post by mdmf007 » Sat May 27, 2006 6:13 pm

looks oike every other snake oil motor to me. It has yet to burn any fuel in it, and all of his numbers are based on running as a pneumatic engine, hell, i got a 1500 foot pound impact wrench that weighs 12 pounds,

lets see this engine burn some fuel, and run like it is claimed to do.

just my 2 cents
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Post by can't sit still » Sat May 27, 2006 8:22 pm

007, did you say snake oil??? I can get it for you wholesale. http://www.altenergy-pro.com/gallery.htm

Rabbi, that's exciting news about the move. Are you hooked up to the grid or are you collecting power? Are you playing hermit or commune?
How about water? Employment? Paved or dirt? Underground housing?
Water table?

I get a lot of free building material. I might have something useful.

Are you going to put on regional BM stuff? Maybe a competition between Red rock and Black Rock. :lol:
I saw the pics you posted. It looks like you have unobstructed views.
Did you buy a tractor yet?
Good luck and let us know how it's going.
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Post by capjbadger » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:10 pm

mdmf007 wrote:looks oike every other snake oil motor to me. It has yet to burn any fuel in it, and all of his numbers are based on running as a pneumatic engine, hell, i got a 1500 foot pound impact wrench that weighs 12 pounds,

lets see this engine burn some fuel, and run like it is claimed to do.

just my 2 cents
I could of sworn one of the other videos showed it running on desiel fuel. There was smokey exhaust coming out, so I;m assuming... :)
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Post by gyre » Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:45 pm

I was trying to refine my perpetual motion engine, but I've given up.
The damn thing just keeps going faster and faster.

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Post by can't sit still » Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:41 pm

California can sometimes be a fucked up state, but at times they move forward.
http://www.stirlingenergy.com/breaking_news.htm

I also read that Ca. legislators in DC introduced a bill to stop the sell-off of the net.

I believe that Arizona commited to installing 40,000 stirling-solar generators.
None of this will bring on-site solar or wind power to BM 2006. Maybe 2007. If BMORG wants to be on the cutting edge of responsible community development, they could set an example by starting to purchace equipment. I think there are some pretty good tax incentives.
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Post by can't sit still » Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:52 am

I found this out of the blue. I haven't checked it out but it sounds interesting. http://www.hydristor.com/news.html
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Post by can't sit still » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:29 pm

This company was founded by a genuis, Paul Brown.
www.nuclearsolutions.com
They have a good method for transmuting long-life radioactive isotopes to short-life isotopes. They produce electricity at the same time. No need to bury all that shit in billion dollar vaults in the desert.

They also have other products that could threaten the fossil fuel industry.
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free energy- thermal generators

Post by insane » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:16 pm

here is proven and widely used technology. it is simple and very do-able. it uses heat differentials to generate electricity. heat difs on the playa are naturally abundant.
here's a few links to get you started. good luck. get back to me with any thoughts.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peltier-Seebeck_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisoto ... _generator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocouple

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oh yeah...

Post by insane » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:27 pm

if you get on of those little heater/cooler things that run on 12v for your car for about $25....it has a peltier junction in it. it (the peltier junction)has recipricocity....meaning if you supply the temp dif (instead of the electricity) then electicity will flow out of it. you can buy kits to do this. or, with a little study, you could build a large one...or several large ones..... :wink:

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Post by can't sit still » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:43 pm

Thanks, insane. I had one of those Koolatron fridges in my old Suburban. I used it for 7 years camping in mexico for up to 5 mo a year. I'm familiar with the Peltier effect. In reverse application it's like the thermocouple effect. I haven't seen much efficiency yet. I could be wrong.
The little miniature Stirling engines seem to rum with the lowest temperature differential. They sell one that will run of the heat from a cup of coffee,,,another will run off the heat of your hand.
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Post by gyre » Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:00 am

Small compressor style fridges that run on 12 volts are available.
The efficiency is higher than the chip fridges.
So is the cost.

There is Dometic, Sunfrost, Norcold and an Australian one I can't remember. They range up to full size.
There are fridge kits available from Sunfrost.

I have a medium size from Japan.
It cools slowly but I don't know how that compares to others.
Power draw is low.
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Post by can't sit still » Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:34 am

Gyre, I spent years worrying about batteries for the fridge. I finally gave up and bought a Dometic PROPANE fridge. No more getting up in the middle of the night to run the engine because I hear the Koolatron fan slowing down. :(

I ordered the parts to build the "Green" steam engine http://www.greensteamengine.com/
I'm looking for an old sat. dish antennae. I'll cover it with mirror segments and mount an aluminum chamber at the apex.

It's not as elegant as the Stirling/solar but it's more in my price range.
The Stirling/solar units are rated at 25 KW. I can guestimate the mirror area to get an idea what I can expect.
The Green site is conspicuously absent of RPM and torque info. I have to find out for myself. Then maybe I will scale it up.
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Post by gyre » Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:34 pm

The advice I've had is if you're off solar or grid mostly, go with propane.

I'm about to buy a good medium size inverter, in case anyone has any advice. I found a new one, old stock below wholesale, but I wouldn't mind a better deal. I think it's a Tripplite- US made, industrial model, of course.
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Post by gyre » Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:39 pm

Also, I have a Dometic propane in my trailer but it's the old style and I'm told the propane has settled or something and must be removed to be restarted. Do you know anything about that?

They say you have to turn the fridge over to get them to work again.
The new ones are supposed to be immune from this problem.

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Post by can't sit still » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:19 pm

My Dometic is a is about an 86 vintage. The fridges are charged with Ammonia and ?? I forgot. "They" say that if you operate it out of level, supposedly the Ammonia crystalizes in the upper parts. The idea of inverting it is to get the Ammonia to disolve again. It's worth a try.

The Servel is the best thing going. they don't have a small model that I know of.

I bought a 4000 watt inverter from "Mr. Stuff" I also bought 10 Interestate golf cart batteries. They're supposed to be far superior to any other brand. I'm using them on my bedini motor.

On the inverters, I know very little about them. It depends on your loads. Some inverters are full wave rectified and others are half wave rectified.
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Post by gyre » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:47 pm

Thanks. I'll check out Mr Stuff.
Dometic makes a range of sizes. I'm not sure small really applies but some are very large now.

Inverters vary a lot. Some are efficient only in some load ranges and the quality of the sine wave or squarewave curve is a big part of what you pay for as well as the obvious- how rugged the design is and how efficient.
There is a low quality range of course, usually small and imported and what you would expect.
The better ones are typically hardwired.
I have seen some good ones that are not, though.

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one more step

Post by can't sit still » Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:21 pm

This is nice. It's not quite a dilithium crystal but it'll do for now.
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http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2005_03/pr2901.htm
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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:55 pm

You think they will make those large enough to replace a car-size battery being used in residential/commercial solar systems? You could recharge them quickly and they would take up a lot less room.




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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:06 pm

Never mind... that's the first markets they say they will hit....


On another note did you see this one

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2005_09/pr1601.htm

maybe some version for green energy on the playa




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Post by can't sit still » Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:45 pm

Rabbi, That looks interesting. I'm sure that the "corn lobby" would be happy to see wide implementation of ethanol.
It sure would be better to burn ethanol than throw out billions of dry-cell batteries.
I hate to jump on the bandwagon with all the doomsday people, but it's looking worse all the time.
I know that this years theme is hope/fear for the future.
I think that fear is going to win out. It seems like NO ONE has any interest in promoting the greater good.

The chessboard is set. The pawns [North Korea, Iran] are advancing.
Too many countries and leaders feel that they have nothing to lose.
For lack of leadership, we've run out of time to gracefully withdraw from the petro-economy to something that doesn't cause so many problems.

All we've got are little band-aids here and there. Solar/ wind.
China is going to own the pacific. Russia is arming Iran and both of them plan to sell oil denominated in euros.
I think that this country is going to have an energy policy forced down our throats.
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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:28 pm

Remember your always welcome out to my ranch in Red Rock Desert.




Here's one I just saw about the power of water






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Post by capjbadger » Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:03 pm

Looks cool, but there is a big problem with it. You can only get as much power out from burning it as you put in to split the water in the first place. Where is the power to split the water comming from in the first place?
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Post by can't sit still » Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:57 pm

Rabbi, thanks for the invite. I want to see your big undertaking.

Water is the big hot thing right now. They've got lots of ways to break the bond apart. I haven't investigated it yet. I always get back to the same thing; There's no energy gain breaking the bond and then recombining.
Hydrolise water.
The "Joe Cell" is supposed to work good, Orgone energy seems to hold some promise, high frequency sound is supposed to work,,,,dunno
The dueterium in the water is the ultimate answer, but they haven't figured that out either.

I'm afraid that big oil will keep the price of oil just below wind and solar so that they wont be able to get a toe hold,,ramp up production and bring the price of green power down.
We went into Iraq to get the oil,,,for a half trillion dollars.

If we had spent that same .5 trillion dollars on implementation of green power, we would have saved thousands of lives and eliminated our dependence on foreign oil.

U.S. auto makers are belly-up because they refused to be market responsive. They figured [in the 60s} that they didn't have to worry about competition.
I'm hoping that big oil gets the same rude awakening from viable green power. Picture this in your mind,,,you drive your electric car past a gas station and see a big sign "Big Sale Today"
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Post by capjbadger » Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:54 pm

can't sit still wrote:Water is the big hot thing right now. They've got lots of ways to break the bond apart. I haven't investigated it yet. I always get back to the same thing; There's no energy gain breaking the bond and then recombining.
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For once we agree. I haven't been able to find info on wht they're doing to the water. This very same thing was around in the 70's. The guy had a buggy that ran off the very same system. Why isn't it around...? hmmm...

No such thing as a free lunch...
(unless you take you co-worker's from the fridge... :twisted: )
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