Free energy for BM 2006

Rabbi Dali Rick · Post by **Rabbi Dali Rick** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:36 pm

only once, Badger?

the rebbi

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:21 pm

Badger , you wound me

I'm sure we've agreed more than once.
There was that fusion discussion about the energy released. We eventually came to a meeting of the minds.
As far as the buggy goes,,,, here's your big chancs.
http://pureenergysystems.com/academy/JoeCell2006/

July 30,,,convention with instruction. what more could you ask for???
Dan
Does anyone want to carpool out there????

capjbadger · Post by **capjbadger** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:32 am

can't sit still wrote:Badger , you wound me I'm sure we've agreed more than once.
There was that fusion discussion about the energy released. We eventually came to a meeting of the minds.
As far as the buggy goes,,,, here's your big chancs.
http://pureenergysystems.com/academy/JoeCell2006/

July 30,,,convention with instruction. what more could you ask for???
Dan
Does anyone want to carpool out there????

Ok, so maybe I exaggerated a little. sheesh

Hmmm... interesting. I'm digging through the info now. Still haven't seen any hard math or anything... still looking.

capjbadger · Post by **capjbadger** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:48 am

Dan... did you read the article? 2 months for what was supposed to be a couple hour project. and still nothing. No proof.

My bullshit meter is in the red...

I'll save the gas from driving to Utah and use it to go to BM... ;P

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:37 am

Badger, here's one for you.
http://www.evert.de/eft00e.htm
His native language is German so you have to make allowances for some really technical tongue twisters.

I think that Evert, Sheldrake, Bearden ,Josephson and others are at the forefront of a new science that is explaining and uniting old Eastern [and others] beliefs with new modern understandigs.
I see some fascinating things on the horizon.
Josephson, in particular is validating the paranormal. He received a nobel for showing that quantum tunneling is behind a lot of things that we don't understand.
Rupert Sheldrake's books were nominated for book-burning in Britian, as I understand
I read that Ray Kursweil takes about 250 vitamins and supplements a day. Reportedly his appearance is 20 years less than his cronological age. I know why. I'm doing the same but on a lesser scale.

Things are changing so fast and becoming SO interesting,,,,I want to be around as long as possible to witness the advancement.

I believe that advancements in the next 10 years will obliterate many of our current problems. It's inevitable that they'll bring new ones.

There is some fear that a runaway nano factory could convert the whole earth to a big pile of goo.

By the way, they've conditionally cancelled the appearance of the Australian cited in the above seminar because they aren't convinced that he has the real thing.
Dan

capjbadger · Post by **capjbadger** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:07 am

Sorry. Once again, seeing nothing of substance. Plus sentences like "There are also ´fine-matter´ Potential-Vortex-Clouds, which represent mental-spiritual content." set off my BS meter again. Didn't even see anything about taping this vaguely discribed energy source.

Yeah, I read that about the conference being cancelled. IF a couple hour process still cn't be displayed after months, I wouldn't believe him either. *sigh* And I was really hoping too. The energy math just doesn't work out.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:33 pm

Badger, don't be too hasty to discount things like votrtices that impinge on mental functions. Howard Johnson has done some great work proving that mag fields are actually vortices.
These vortices are actual particle flows. Fuzzy,,,need to reread.
Mental functions seem to be a type of electricity. They're mapped with an EKG.
Supposedly a Quigong master can produce measurable energy flows from his hands. Getting fuzzier.
Have you read Josephson's work? Cambridge

You may recall that aluminum was more valuable than gold in Napoleon's time. After finding the one little key [cryolite], aluminum became CHEAP.
I think that we're missing a vital key and that we'll be tapping new energy sources very soon. There are many people working to bring this to fruition.
http://www.opensourceenergy.org/_layout ... /index.asp

IT which animates us is electrical/electro-chemical. Aside from that knowledge, we don't have IT nailed down at all. It's hard to say just what might affect the brain. I haven't read in-depth about the philadelphia experimant.

There is some really strange shit happening all the time. I read and observe without feeling any great need to pass judgement.
There is a possibility that Gov is surpressing Free energy because it would be one more thing that could be weaponised by small groups. Maybe they want to keep that particular Pandoras box sealed for as long as possible.
Personally, I think that Gov is trying to stop anything that would not lend itself to central control and taxing.
Dan

capjbadger · Post by **capjbadger** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:36 pm

I'm looking for things that I can tap power from now and that don't pollute. The rest of the fuzzy "science" can call me when they can back up their claims with something real rather than peudo-mobo-jumbo fuzzy-bunny BS. I too have read alot and have a fairly fine tuned BS meter.

I am logical, not religious. Bring me a machine, not faith.

Rabbi Dali Rick · Post by **Rabbi Dali Rick** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:24 pm

Fuzzy Bunny Meter is Broken. Will trade for cut used Ford.

the rebbi

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:07 pm

What's a "cut used ford"/
This article has a good mention of a Burner and Burning Man.
http://www.laweekly.com/general/feature ... ntinuation

Rabbi Dali Rick · Post by **Rabbi Dali Rick** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:13 am

some things are better left unknown....

like "felching" and "cut used fords"

the cut rebbi

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:08 pm

Unfortunately, I already know the meaning of both felching and catamite,,,,and a few others. I was once eviscerated.
Rebbi, when are you going to send me directions to your encampment.
I'm dieing, dying, dieng,,,whatever,,,, to see your progress.
I already sent 2 PMs
Dan

Rabbi Dali Rick · Post by **Rabbi Dali Rick** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:21 pm

Sorry for the ADD CSS.

Here is the directions and a few pics
http://66.39.114.178/IAM/MapsDirectionsPage-1a.html

Here is my friend who is keeping a pic diary of our exploits out at the ranch.
http://www145.pair.com/zoom44/RRR/

He will post pics from the 4th of July party we had out there, as soon as he can manage a moment...

Here is some pics posted at the AWM past events section of the message board.

http://awaymission.proboards76.com/inde ... 1152406158

the rebbi

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:20 am

Badger the Younger

,,,,patience grasshopper. All good things start with an idea.
This might be interesting. REAL good info on the GEET.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... abel:tesla

I do believe that John Bedini really knows his stuff. He never jumped the gun like Lutec. It appears that something may be coming out soon.
http://www.energenx.com/section2.htm

It's hard to be patient when we want it NOW .
It helps a little if you can take a historical perspective on progress.

The Brirish navy mandated that every sailor in the navy consume limes regularly to avoid and cure scurvy.
50 years after instituting this policy, they still had scurvy on the merchant ships delivering the limes to the navy.
Never underestimate stupidity.

Our government is the biggest retarding force there is.
Hopefully, private industry will make an end run around government obstructionism.
Dan

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:21 pm

Here's a new outfit that promises to sell you a free energy device,,,soon
http://coxinternational.samsbiz.com/

Somebody, somewhere has to come through with this shit one of these days.
Then the Rebbi can disconnect the RRR ranch from his power pole.
The obvious problem with utilising ZPE is that you've "coalesced" ZPE energy in to a useful form,,,,,and thereby added heat to the biosphere.

If they manage to utilise ZPE on a large scale, it would be wise to to use ZPE to reduce 20 or 30 % of the CO2 in the atmosphere to avoid overheating.
The 'Greenhouse effect' is very real and will take out all of our coastal cities if we can't reverse it.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:27 pm

Badger,,or anyone. Can you give me any feedback or experience on the GEET or the Joe Cell?
There are a couple of groups building Joe Cells. Someone must know if it's workable or not.
I realise that the cancelled conference was Joe cell tech. That isn't the final word as far as I'm concerned.
I'll build the damn thing if it looks promising. BM 2007 or 8 or 9
Both the GEET and the joe cell call for MAJOR revisions of physics[if true]
Who knows what else will spin off?

capjbadger · Post by **capjbadger** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:09 am

can't sit still wrote:Badger,,or anyone. Can you give me any feedback or experience on the GEET or the Joe Cell?
There are a couple of groups building Joe Cells. Someone must know if it's workable or not.
I realise that the cancelled conference was Joe cell tech. That isn't the final word as far as I'm concerned.
I'll build the damn thing if it looks promising. BM 2007 or 8 or 9
Both the GEET and the joe cell call for MAJOR revisions of physics[if true]
Who knows what else will spin off?

Not sure what the GEET is, but the joe cell looks like a bust. You only get out as much as you put in. Big deal. I used to make hydrogen in my garage when I was a kid is something very similar. Revision of physics? Not likely. TANSTAAFL

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:13 pm

Badger, that's the strange thing. They claim that they hook the Joe cell up to a Blanked off port on the carb.
If I were going to tell a lie, I would try to make it marginally believable.
They also claim that the water is not consumed. That leaves out hydrolysis.
I joined the group and looked at the stuff. 1800 menbers and tons of messages. It seems like the whole thing would blow away if there were no results.

They are showing an initial ignition advance of 70--80 deg. They also claim that as the rpm/intake velocity goes up, it starts to levitate.
Now, dont tell me about your BS meter.
The GEET and the joe cell don't even register as legitimate imput to my BS meter.
BUT, cold fusion has proved itself and they're getting atomic transmutation. What other wierd stuff is out there just waiting for someone to stumble on it?
I posted a link to a video up above. Towards the end of the video, there is a demo of the GEET.
The claims on that are beyond incredible;
The exhaust has 2% more O2 than the atmosphere
The intake tube puts out radiation that isn't alpha, beta or gamma.
There are 170 processes taking place in the intake tube, some of which are transmutation.
I see too much legitimacy to just dismiss it out of hand.
This whole thing of Orgone energy is pretty fuzzy, but that doesn't mean that it's a big zero.
It hurts nothing to reserve judgment. I'm waiting for someone else to bring it to market. I understand that the GEET has been licensed for production to small engine manufacturers.
If I can get my Aussie friends to give me a yea or nay, I would go to Oz and check out the Joe cell.
We've gotten accustomed to accepting any electronic miracle that comes along.
We're not near as accepting of miracles that come from mechanics or physics. Orgone, magnets, pyramids etc.
I've done a lot of reading on the idea of water being "organised" That's a strange phenomonon all by itself.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:05 am

Well, it looks like no free energy device for 2006. I built the Bedini device but was over my head. I'm taking a serious look at the "Joe cell"
I might have an inside track.

There's always 2007
This is from JRS
Further connections have been made and conversations had regarding
bringing wind turbine technology to the playa to power parts of the
Black Rock City infrastructure. These particular wind turbines are not
only very efficient but they are works of art in their own right. We
hope to move forward in 2007 and create basically an art installation
that incorporates the turbines and provides the power for a specific
project. We will look to power something civic in nature but also
visible and hopefully interactive.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:50 pm

Well, I haven't given up yet. Here's something that's in production. I haven't a clue if it's OU or not.
I don't read Serb, so I can't do much searching for corroboration. It says "energy by motion" That's nice. That could describe Boulder Dam.
http://www.gammamanager.com/index.html

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:23 pm

Progress???? http://www.powerchips.gi/

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:14 am

The power chips thing looks like it might be legit. The problem is it's not free energy at all. The carnot cycle is a thermodynamic cycle which represents the highest theoretical effeciency. Of course there will always be friction and other losses so we never reach 100% of the carnot cycle. There are other practical problems with using the carnot cycle in practice so we often use modified carnot or other cycles.

The problem with searching for a free energy machine is that none of them have ever been really verified. They have either been found fraudulent or they will not give out enough information for people to reproduce the same effect. If you do indeed find something that either violates the laws of thermodynamics or uses some unknown power supply, you'll be rich and famous beyond your dreams.

There is a lot of theoretical work that could come to the conclusion that "free" energy is possible but there is not enough corolating evidence for those theories and none that shows those theories won't break down at some point (similar to the way Newtons laws break down at relativistic speeds).

If you REALLY want to build something that will produce free energy you should look into solar or wind. They have shown to have the greatest outputs for the effort. If you want something that will work all the time but produce much less of an output you can look into geothermal but that will probably mean digging at least 10 feet down and having a cycle that can reverse when the outside temp drops below 50-60 degrees. I know there are some nearby hotsprings so if there is a hotspot under the playa you might get a decent output at night, but daytime could drop off to near nothing.

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:19 am

EBM looks ok. If they actually start generating money by selling electricity they will be huge in no time. They just started and seems like they are trying to make income by drawing people in. Saying you can make free energy then trying to capitolize on tourism or book profits is a sure sign that they are not planning on making millions in the energy industry so I wouldn't hold my breath.

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:23 am

If you need any technical help I'm pretty technical. The problem is that I've been classically trained and anything that produces free energy will violate much of what I know. I'm good at fabricating stuff too though. If you find something you're going to build and willing to put money into it I'd be willing to help you out with what I can. As stated before in this thread, it will at least make something interesting to look at if it doesn't work. I'm in Southern California.

EspressoDude · Post by **EspressoDude** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:24 am

maybe you can figure a way to capture all the heat and energy from the rants on other parts of eplaya and turn it into something useful

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:27 pm

Mike, i've given it a GREAT deal of thought. The classic idea of tapping in to ZPE is probably workable. The physics all look good. There are reportedly 4000 patents related to "free energy" that are locked up by Gov. Maybe they have a reason.
Free energy would not cut out the consumption of oil,,,just cut it back for a while.
Remember when computers were going to eliminate the use of paper. What a laugh.
I'm looking from another angle,,,a very dark one.

If everyone had a "black box" that you could utilise to tap all the ZPE you wanted[transduced to usable A.C. power],,,we would go hog wild on energy use. Remember the Tesla car.

Just imagine ,,all engines and motors converted to ZPE powered,,,no power cost.
The problem is that ZPE is classicly considered "inert" If we transduce it to usable energy,,,we have billions more ergs or calories added to the biosphere.
It already looks like we're fucked.

Is the earth to be poached? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01800.html

This guy Lovelock has been warning about this for 50 years. NOW, they're starting to take him seriously. The truth is, the planet has been warming up since the last ice age.
http://www.harbornet.com/sunflower/hotter.html

I read somewhere that they're not writing new insurance policies for Florida or NYC. I could be wrong. I don't have time to look at references right this second. The warmer we get the more energetic the storms will be. Congress recently authorised money for weather modification. They've already been doing it for years.

They haven't been able to hold the Iditarod sled dog race as scheduled for years,,,not enough snow in Alaska. The pacific is warming up.

In the classic Global Warming scenario, the "atlantic conveyor" stops and the east gets cold and dry. Michigan just had an early snow. The last time they had a snow this early was in the 19th century.

The Dakotas have just had a very bad drought. If it gets too warm, the Rockies and Sierras won't have snowpacks,,,just flashfloods. Little water for irrigation in summer. The Alpine glaciers are expected to completely disappear. Greenland is going to drown florida.

A great deal of US cropland depends on irrigation but our aquifiers are depleted. We've used so much nitrate fertiliser that our food is severly depleted of nutrients. Nobody wants to do crop rotation.
In europe, they spend 14% of their income for food. We pay 7%.
I read that 70% of our water is used for meat production,,hay, grain etc.
I expect the price of food to go up drasticly.
That means that the old folks won't be able to pay for heating oil OR food.

After we start losing our coastal cities, I expect solar and wind power to be mandated. Maybe 15 years. There are various things offered to lessen the effects of global warming. It remains to be seen if they will work. There's always the possibility that enough volcanoes will blow up to block the sunlight for a few years and gives a reprieve.

I built the Bedini energiser, but now, I'm switching my energies over to solar and wind.

I guess that I'll start a new thread for solar/wind.
Dan

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:44 pm

Dan, you do a great Al Gore.

I come from southern Wisc. In the late 40s early 50s it snowed before Oct 10. My birthday. Hunting season is at this time. You hunted in waist deep snow. In the winter of 1948-49 the temp droped to 48°f below 0. The winter after that became mild more each year. My family and friend that live there tell me: In the last few years winter is coming earlier and colder.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:31 pm

Harley, I can't say that i've heard a single thing that Gore has said.
I don't know what he's said because my hearing doesn't seem to work if a politician is speaking.
As far as the climate thing, I was just quoting what I heard on the news about Michigan.
I'm spending my time on solar and wind. I really haven't looked much at weather.
Obviously, there are other views. There is a site [IceAge Now] that claims that we're going into an ice age.
It's hard to be definitive about weather. I think it's a safe generality to say that the earth is warming up a bit.
We just have to hope and pray that,,,if the next hurrican season brings terrible storms,,,they all make landfall at the scientology headquarters in Fl.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:19 pm

If you want to do some thing with wind power. Design a new propeller. A departure from the ones today. There crap before standing them up.. You could do this is a small home shop.

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I want a wind catcher to drive a flywheel at low speeds. Maybe use a exciter motor to start when the winds reach a set low speed. There must be away to use 5mpr wind.

Al Gore is a dry speaker. It's hard to swollow anything he said.

As for free energy........ That has been the topic in old taverns for years.. The boys sit around and sip one beer for hours and and spin day dreams.. Nothing ever comes of it. My father was a genus of machanical works.. But chased that dream his whole life.. I have played with it.. I was a machinest, millright and grey iron smith in my younger life. I left it to repair damaged art. I still like the game tho.

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:22 pm

I built the Bedini energiser

Did you get it to work?

As far as all the other sky is falling stuff you posted. Where did that come from? just needed a place to get some things off your mind? It looks like global warming will be the next geration or their kids problem. I'm not saying we shouldn't do something about it now but all the doom and gloom projections I've seen on the news are typically for 100 years from now.

I'm not sure if you were implying that free energy would heat up the earth faster? If that's what you're thinking it's probably not true. It would cut CO2 emissions which seems like one of the main factors in our tempurature. We're currently creating just as much heat burning fossl fuels as we'd produce with free energy (assuming our energy consumption wouldn't go up, which is probably would). I'm not sure about this but my guess would be that the energy we'd produce would be irrelivant compaired to the energy absorbed from the sun. I once heard a stastic that if we covered 100 sq. miles in Nevada with solar panels it could power the world. I think this was in grade school which was many years ago and could have been wrong (since I have no idea how much power the world currently consumes). But assuming that's right on to an order of magnatude or two, our heat will be meaningless compaired to the sun.

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