bisexuality

Blenderhead · Post by **Blenderhead** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:34 am

JezebelinHell wrote:All my relationships with women have made me crave tequila and a shotgun.

Funny, my relationships with EVERYone make me feel that way. Does this make me a bisexual?

Alpha · Post by **Alpha** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:41 am

Hitting the nail on the proverbial head, JezebelinHell wrote:I'm a straight shooter, and as such, will probably never have a lasting relationship with a woman.

I've thought the same thing countless times....

JezebelinHell · Post by **JezebelinHell** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:46 am

My favorite conversation I ever had with a girlfriend.

Her: "Do you think that girl's pretty?"
Me: "Um...yeah"
Her: "Prettier than me?"
Me: "Um...yeah"
Her: "Well, would you sleep with her?"
Me: "yeah, but I doubt she'd sleep with me, so you're probably safe."
Her: ***glares menacingly***

Why do girls ask questions they don't really want the answers to? Here's my favorite overheard conversation, between by little sister and our stupid next door neighbor girl:

Neighbor: "Does this sweater make me look fat?"
Sister: "No sweetie, your fat makes you look fat. That sweater just makes you look purple."

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:47 am

My problem has always been knowing when to shut the fuck up. I have a scientific/engineering mindset which requires I deduce and solve problems presented to me. Which results in:

"I don't want a fucking answer! I just want you to listen to me and hold me afterwards!"

I get the feeling that this pretty much defines the difference between male/female mindsets.

JezebelinHell · Post by **JezebelinHell** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:48 am

The smart-ass in me won't let those questions go unaswered though. That, and words tend to fly out of my mouth before I've really thought about them.

Flux · Post by **Flux** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:06 am

JezebelinHell wrote:I'm a straight shooter, and as such, will probably never have a lasting relationship with a woman.

On the other hand, that quality probably serves you very well in relationships with men. I know it works for me.

JezebelinHell · Post by **JezebelinHell** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:16 am

Yeah, but I'm not attracted to guys. I have some great friendships with them, but that's it.

KristieEB · Post by **KristieEB** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:29 am

i like being bi.

all my ltr's have been with men, but i have just started allowing myself to explore my bisexual side. i have a boyfriend and he has no problem with me seeing a girlfriend on the side. she is married and her man allows this bit of extra as well. it seems to be working very nicely, for all concerned.

she and i are both strait shooters and "ethical sluts" and the mind games haven't really appeared.

women are hot. men are hot. pussy is great and so is penis. since i am of a polyamorous mindset, i probably won't ever settle down with just one or the other.

but that is me ...

Flux · Post by **Flux** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:30 am

JezebelinHell wrote:Yeah, but I'm not attracted to guys. I have some great friendships with them, but that's it.

Damn! You're kind of screwed then, I guess. Sorry to hear that!

JezebelinHell · Post by **JezebelinHell** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:33 am

Actually, I'm not getting screwed. That's kind of the problem.

Alpha · Post by **Alpha** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:02 am

JezebelinHell wrote:"Do you think that girl's pretty?"
"Um...yeah"
"Prettier than me?"
"Um...yeah"

sweet jesus that's about as far as I'd get with that conversation, were it my wife....

JezebelinHell · Post by **JezebelinHell** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:32 am

What can I say? I'm a really shitty liar.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:34 am

I kind of like SNL's the Church Lady's definition of bisexuality.

"You just reach down their pants and are happy with whatever you find down there."

Dragontear · Post by **Dragontear** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 2:47 pm

Bisexual people do understand commitment, loyalty and trust.

This is not all the time true but mostly. Due to the fact that we have to resist the other sex while we are in another relationship.

I think if I had a girlfriend for the long term, I'd probably still want boy energy often often often...not just penis, but male energy, that frisson that results from the differences.

I agree with this statement.

III · Post by **III** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 5:29 pm

>I'm a straight shooter

you realize, of course, that all those moodswinging vaccilating "read my mind" women would claim the same thing?

>we have to resist the other sex

one day you'll learn that resisting sexual urges has nothing to do with orientation, and that this is just an excuse for following your own desires.

PJ · Post by PJ » Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:02 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:"You just reach down their pants and are happy with whatever you find down there."

Even if it's pus?

JezebelinHell · Post by **JezebelinHell** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:53 pm

Or crabs?

Kinetic II · Post by **Kinetic II** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:11 pm

Or Herpes?

Post by **actiongrl** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 11:08 am

...or just really, really, REALLY small?

III · Post by **III** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 12:19 pm

>or just really, really, REALLY small?

great. now i'm all self concious again. see if *i* ever go naked at burning man again...

Larissa · Post by **Larissa** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 12:49 pm

JezebelinHell wrote:Neighbor: "Does this sweater make me look fat?"
Sister: "No sweetie, your fat makes you look fat. That sweater just makes you look purple."

Wasn't that from a Buffy episode?

JezebelinHell · Post by **JezebelinHell** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 2:35 pm

Possibly. My sister watches a lot of Buffy. She might be ripping off their lines. I only watched the show when Faith was on it, so my knowledge of their dialogue is pretty limited.

TawnyGnosis · Post by **TawnyGnosis** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 6:00 pm

I don't even label my sexual orientation anymore, because it's such an undefinable gray area of my identity. What is the need to label ourselves in such ways anyway? Is it so important that we become easily packaged and defined human beings in order to be categorized and explained? and while we're asking questions, what is gender besides an assignment of certain body parts, does it really go further than that? I think that we're almost completely constructed by the society we live in.

And seeing as how I've never really had any lasting relationship with either a man or a woman, I really coulldn't tell you which is more functional.

Dragontear · Post by **Dragontear** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:16 pm

I think being bisexual or lesbian or gay is so different then being straight. We have to watch who we trust, you we tell, you we pick to be with, etc because we are not as accept in this world. Just because we like the same sex. I see nothing wrong with it myself but we all think from different places.

Ivy · Post by **Ivy** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:41 am

I watch who I trust no matter what.

TawnyGnosis · Post by **TawnyGnosis** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:40 pm

Yeah I watch who I trust despite any orientation I may or may not claim. Good words of advice ms. Dragon tear.

BlueBirdPoof · Post by **BlueBirdPoof** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:54 pm

And then when you start hearing stories of intersexed individuals, the catagories really collapse. At least they did for me. And those stories are hard to come by--not coincidentally, I'm sure.

TawnyGnosis · Post by **TawnyGnosis** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 5:22 pm

According to the Intersex Society of North America, intersexuality refers to an anomaly in the reproductive and sexual system or, in non-jargon, someone born with sex chromosomes, genitalia or an internal reproductive system that are neither clearly male nor clearly female.

Janet Green, executive director for New Jersey-based support group Bodies Like Ours, explains that intersex refers to someone with atypical genitals, like an enlarged clitoris or a "micropenis." It can also refer to someone who has one ovary and one testicle, or someone whose chromosomes are, say, XXYX instead of XX or XY.

Green, who was in town for the conference, estimates that one in 2,000 people is born intersexed, though ISNA points out that it’s impossible to collect accurate statistics, considering the shame and secrecy often involved when a doctor notices an intersexed infant.

The emerging intersex movement is still rather small, and the word has yet to break into the national vernacular, but groups like ISNA and the recently founded Bodies Like Ours are working to change that. And if they can piggyback their cause onto those of groups with similar goals, like PFLAG, all the better.

Bodies Like Ours is focusing much of its attention on public education and awareness as well as community building. There are a variety of reasons why a child might be born intersexed, but the simple fact is that they are born that way, which is something parents, the medical community and intersexed people themselves need to understand.

"Children are born different," Green said. "Some have big noses, some have blonde hair." And some have micropenises or a mosaic of sex chromosomes.

The intersex movement’s major focus thus far has been on the medical community. The American Medical Association’s protocol for dealing with intersex conditions was developed in the ’50s, Green said, and all too often involves doctors and/or parents "deciding" whether the child should be male or female, and then performing what’s essentially non-consensual cosmetic surgery. (For example, if an intersexed child is born with an enlarged clitoris, her parents may decide to make her female, cutting it to a more "standard" size.)

Green understands it can’t be easy to be in that position. "Imagine you’re a parent and someone tells you we don’t know if your baby is a boy or a girl," Green said. "It’s hard to think of your child as being a sexual being when you’re holding a seven-pound baby."

But it is a sexual being, or at least one day will be. And doctors should now know that gender identity and sexuality have as much to do with the wiring in someone’s head and the chemicals pumping through their bodies as it does with what’s in their underwear.

BlueBirdPoof · Post by **BlueBirdPoof** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 5:31 pm

Most of my information comes from Anne Fausto-Sterling.
It's those manditory operations that really get me. I just really hate the idea of infant genital mutilation. And even my slight awareness of trans issues brings on questions of "how can you assign gender in cases where it's even less 'clear.''

Ivy · Post by **Ivy** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 5:35 pm

I just finshed reading Jeffrey Eugenedies' (of The Virgin Suicides famenewest book Middlesex. Wom the Pulitzer Prize. i highly recommened it if you're interested in this stuff.

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