But then you crash into the issue of groups on the periphery of theme camps wanting to do 'fundraising' for their Burny Friends event that are basically fundraisers for rent and groceries. You'll undoubtedly get the wailing of If-s/he-can-why-can't-I complaints.Just as there is a forum for tickets, wouldn't a forum for on-playa theme camps fundraisers be appropriate? But then, there's the burden of proof .... In general I haven't had a problem with fundraisers
Hmm.. I honestly don't have any problem with a camp holding a bake sale/party/raffle/etc to raise funds for their camp. My issue is with them doing so on this forum which has been agreed upon as a non-commerce area much like the playa itself. (tickets of course being the exception)hawks wrote:I truly feel that camps need to raise their own money, else scale it down a bit if you can't come up with the dollars. Somewhere I think there was something about self sufficiency, where'd that go?? Just all feels a bit big business to me.
The Hawk Man
Please take this in the nice way that I mean it, but I really do take exception to being lectured by other EQUAL members of this community -- newbies, long time burners, rangers, whatever. I'm not saying you "can't" say what you want, but you gotta know how sucky it feels to be on the receiving end of someone being condescending. In contrast, it was really cool to see how respectful the moderator was upon deleting my posts!Yes Smash, while cross posting isn't against any written rule, it is viewed as very bad form to "spam" the same message all over a board.
Actually, you're factually incorrect on this point. Here are a few examples of fundraisers being posted, some with ticket prices, some with direct links to send money. I'm not saying you have to agree with the posts, I'm just saying that this isn't a hard and fast issue the way you're saying -- this IS actually a gray area.However selling things here (other than the special case of the ticket sales area) if forbidden. Period. "I'm selling X for $Y dollars. Contact me to make transaction." Commerce pure and simple.
Thank you, I'm pleasantly surprised to see you say that! Please come by the Smoochdome sometime and say hi. I'm sure we'll have a much looser and friendlier interaction in person. Who knows, we may even find that we become good friends.Smash, you are right on one point. I was needlessly rude to you and you didn't deserve that. Please accept my apology.
You know, it would be very easy to slightly tweak the existing Theme Camp section to find a specific place for fundraisers and parties...Ron wrote:Frankly, I'd say that camp fundraisers deserve just as much an exception to the no commerce rule as does selling tickets on e-playa. Giving them their own area seems like a a great idea to me. Don't want to see 'em? Don't go there and look. Just like ticket sales.
I was not lecturing. You appeared to not know, so I gave you the info. Simple.smash wrote:Please take this in the nice way that I mean it, but I really do take exception to being lectured by other EQUAL members of this community -- newbies, long time burners, rangers, whatever. I'm not saying you "can't" say what you want, but you gotta know how sucky it feels to be on the receiving end of someone being condescending. In contrast, it was really cool to see how respectful the moderator was upon deleting my posts!
While I agree that some people have posted fundraisers here in the past, since when did a few people doing the something against the rules invalidate the rule itself? Follow this for a extreme example:smash wrote:Actually, you're factually incorrect on this point. Here are a few examples of fundraisers being posted, some with ticket prices, some with direct links to send money. I'm not saying you have to agree with the posts, I'm just saying that this isn't a hard and fast issue the way you're saying -- this IS actually a gray area.
http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... fundraiser
http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... fundraiser
http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... fundraiser
http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... fundraiser
http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... fundraiser
Well I'm told I do surprise people quite a bit.smash wrote:Thank you, I'm pleasantly surprised to see you say that! Please come by the Smoochdome sometime and say hi. I'm sure we'll have a much looser and friendlier interaction in person. Who knows, we may even find that we become good friends.
hehe Plus I love a good debate. ) While that may be soothing to you, words might be more informative here.spectabillis wrote:*beats his head against the wall*smash wrote:You know, it would be very easy to slightly tweak the existing Theme Camp section to find a specific place for fundraisers and parties...
And some insults and derision for good measure. You've apologized for that and I'm not trying to rub your nose in it or anything, but am pointing out that the above summary misses a very salient point.capjbadger wrote:....
I was not lecturing. You appeared to not know, so I gave you the info. Simple. :)
Since we raised the speed limit or cops choose not to ticket all the folk going 10 miles over. Since we decriminalized interracial marriage. Not to mention ending that prohibition thing and let us not forget that the whole idea of civil disobedience, one of the U.S.'s greatest contributions to philosophy IMHO, is based on the very notion that if lots of folk are breaking the law/rule it's probably a bad/unjust law or rule.capjbadger wrote:....While I agree that some people have posted fundraisers here in the past, since when did a few people doing the something against the rules invalidate the rule itself?
And was one of those principles, "No informing other Burners of your fundraiser on eplaya?" No it's no commerce. But look, there's already all kinds of commerce on the playa itself. Given that it's hard to believe allowing camps to promote their fundraisers would be a substantive drag on the online community. Especially if such an area was clearly marked and optional for viewing. Just like those coffee sales on playa, we get by in the face of that apparent violation of the no commerce policy just fine, don't we? Why do you think listing fundraisers would be more damaging to the no commerce attitude than is allowing coffee and ice sales in BRC itself?capjbadger wrote:....Burning Man has some principles it was built on Some people going against those ideas doesn't mean we throw the principle out the window.
Oh, are we a democracy now? Do we get to vote? I'd doubt it, frankly. But I'd enjoy being wrong on that one. And do agree with the sentiment of making a decision and sticking to it.capjbadger wrote:....Now if the community as a majority want to have a fundrasier area on here, groovy. But make a choice one way or another.
not in this case, it was a fair suggestion that cant be implemented due to lack of resources - a frustrating lack of resources.capjbadger wrote:While that may be soothing to you, words might be more informative here.spectabillis wrote:*beats his head against the wall*smash wrote:You know, it would be very easy to slightly tweak the existing Theme Camp section to find a specific place for fundraisers and parties...
I don't understand this. What resources does it take to add another sub-group to the board?spectabillis wrote:....
not in this case, it was a fair suggestion that cant be implemented due to lack of resources - a frustrating lack of resources.
From the link below and on every ePlaya pagespectabillis wrote:aparantly, adding major topics is not so easy as it seems, even cleaning the current odd structure of "::burning man for the other 51 weeks." link thing. cant remember the technical explanation given off the top of my head though.
