Ok, I *was* fuckin with you. We were at the bar, about 2/3 down, -the scruffy lookin ones.
Dows 10 year is very serviceable, love it almost nightly. Get a good port glass and it tastes even better! There is also ruby port which you may want to try, and if you are really into the Dow's you can find it for $20 a bottle if you don't shop at Safeway or the Quarts n Pints. Wait, you said 20 year. Damn! Why didn't you fuckin invite me?!?!
If you drank a whole bottle of it, I bet you realized that its fortified. Get yer buzz on! I got turned on to port a couple of years back. Yummy, complex stuff!
Fuck!
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Hey Don, I just PM'd you on a wine shop you should check out. Maybe it's time for a bonfire port-drinking session; a friend got a bunch of wood for one yesterday, but ended up getting shitfaced with me in front of my house all afternoon.Don Muerto wrote:Ok, I *was* fuckin with you. We were at the bar, about 2/3 down, -the scruffy lookin ones.
Dows 10 year is very serviceable, love it almost nightly. Get a good port glass and it tastes even better! There is also ruby port which you may want to try, and if you are really into the Dow's you can find it for $20 a bottle if you don't shop at Safeway or the Quarts n Pints. Wait, you said 20 year. Damn! Why didn't you fuckin invite me?!?!
If you drank a whole bottle of it, I bet you realized that its fortified. Get yer buzz on! I got turned on to port a couple of years back. Yummy, complex stuff!
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I absolutely, categorically deny any knowledge of the alleged incident Badger is referring to in the post above.Badger wrote:All afternoon? I'm bettin' he's one hurt puppy. Jesus, three hours with you in the Tornado was enough to cripple me.a friend got a bunch of wood for one yesterday, but ended up getting shitfaced with me in front of my house all afternoon.
p.s. fuck!
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lydia,Lydia Love wrote:It's my understanding that it took agrarian culture to create beer... or maybe people actually settled down to farm when they realized beer would be a possible gain...
So, beer being either the impetus for or the happy side-effect of agararian culture, and beer being a really good thing, I have to say "Yo - farmers, props to ya!"
please, please, PLEASE don't misunderstand me...
i DEEPLY appreciate beer and its psychotropic charms.
but the pre-agrarian hunter-gatherers also had a rich understanding of what one might call loosely "plant magic." In other words, YES, there was life and drug culture before beer...it included many of today's most celebrated plants , herbs, and fungi.
i'm not one of those guys who recommends we give up the habits and patterns of civilization for some nomadic fairy-tale...just somewhat sensitive to what i perceive to be the agrarian bias of "our" day and age.
and, incidently, anybody who thinks there was no social hierarchy before agricultural surplus, has never seen pack animals hunt and eat their prey. PJ is right that history's land magnates have done their part to constrain us in our freedom, but there is an undeniable "pecking order" outside of agrarian-capitalism which can be both cruel and beautiful.
to put it more simply: things have been fucked as long as there have been things. what's changed, i think, is our expectations regarding justice, not the fact that there is frequently a huge lack of it.
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i guess i'd like to add one more thing...
let's not forget that beer (the so-called happy by-product of the agrarian revolution) is frequently used as an insulating agent against many of most bitter legacies of the transition to settled agriculture. put differently, the agrarian revolution gave us beer so that we could numb ourselves to the shortcomings of the selfsame revolution.
which makes me sound either like a prohibitionist or a communist, of which i am neither...
let's not forget that beer (the so-called happy by-product of the agrarian revolution) is frequently used as an insulating agent against many of most bitter legacies of the transition to settled agriculture. put differently, the agrarian revolution gave us beer so that we could numb ourselves to the shortcomings of the selfsame revolution.
which makes me sound either like a prohibitionist or a communist, of which i am neither...
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I did mention I was talking out my ass right?
Beer is frequently used in my life to numb myself to the shortcomings of being an accountant...
Television seems to be the most favored numbing agent of the masses these days...
and nomads wouldn't have anywhere to plug in their TV sets...
Ok - I really don't have anywhere to go with this.
Edited to add a Fuck!
Beer is frequently used in my life to numb myself to the shortcomings of being an accountant...
Television seems to be the most favored numbing agent of the masses these days...
and nomads wouldn't have anywhere to plug in their TV sets...
Ok - I really don't have anywhere to go with this.
Edited to add a Fuck!
It's all about the squirrels.
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rejection?ramen wrote:Isnt' the burn a form of nomadic gathering, a rejection of the agrarian work ethic?
hardly...
vacation, maybe.
i'd guess that 99% of what is consumed at BM is produced via settled cultivation (i.e. agriculture) either directly or indirectly. i've been gifted some weird and wonderful shit in the past three years, but nobody has yet said, "here, you can find this stuff growing freely all over the place." usually, it's more along the lines of "my friend got this shit from mexico," which really isn't the same thing.
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Yeah. I first tried Port on a backpacking trip. It was Sunday in Washington state and I didn't realize that you could get only beer and wine. Now the buzz/weight ratio for beer or wine makes it unacceptable for most backpacking applications. I was planning a 6 day trip and wanted a nice single malt to bring with me. But I ended up getting a port, 'cuz it had the highest alcohol content. I was willing to make my decision based on % alcohol, but unwilling to postpone my trip until the liquor stores opened. Go figure.Don Muerto wrote: I got turned on to port a couple of years back. Yummy, complex stuff!
Now I like it most with an espresso and a chocolate desert.
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>...a chocolate desert.
Doesn't melt?
I fuckin love a good tawny. Rubies and, of course, vintage ports are quite fuckin fine too. I have had people taste a good glass only to look at me like I am mad. 'Too fuckin sweet' is the most common complaint amongst those fucks that can't get with port. It's never bothered me. In fact, I think cost is the only fucked up thing about port, but when you consider it's 40 proof then the Algebruzz calculations start to make more sense.
Doesn't melt?
I fuckin love a good tawny. Rubies and, of course, vintage ports are quite fuckin fine too. I have had people taste a good glass only to look at me like I am mad. 'Too fuckin sweet' is the most common complaint amongst those fucks that can't get with port. It's never bothered me. In fact, I think cost is the only fucked up thing about port, but when you consider it's 40 proof then the Algebruzz calculations start to make more sense.
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Cause it's all fucked anyway
I really need to say FUCK! today. First I got fucking frustrated because the b/f wasn't in the fucking mood and I was, and it's been a while, which I moped on, which quickly made me fucking depressed as hell. Then my fucking "family" fucking fucked up and didn't get a fucking venue for the fucking New Year's party, so I can't show off my fucking b/f to them, and I fucking miss them. Plan fucking "B" and all that shit! Crap! And then I reluctantly went to fucking work and got some bad news from an old screw that put me in a fucking major funk. And now I'm no longer in the mood to fuck, but rather fucking SCREAM FROM A ROOFTOP about how fucking CRUSHED I feel. Making it worse was a faux pas that I did on another fucking thread, that fucking got Badger's ire, and he fucking spanked me, now I feel fucking WORSE, and my previously insighted surliness only made matters fucking WORSE, so I feel like fucking sulking cause I publicly fucked up. FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fucking FUCK! So what the fuck do I do now?! Maybe it's hormones, maybe the caffeine. Maybe the shit-storm buildup of a fucked up day. FUCK! Fortunately the b/f just got a replacement copy of reflexology for feet instructions, and we got sea salt and black candles, and he insists this will make me feel fucking better. The fucking feets massage idea is trying to cheer me up. Fuck! I wanted to be mad, and now I'm just depressed. I hope Badger still loves me.
I'd enjoy a lecture or book regarding the 40% estimate. Assuming hunter-gatherers needed about as much sleep as modern humans, this would leave about six-and-a-half hours to make tools and clothing, move and repair shelter, and enjoy the entertainments available during their era. And that's if the hunting is successful--if not things get desparate pretty quickly since the ability to store food was necessarily limited.Don Muerto wrote:...the move to agrarian lifestyle in humans is often attributed to efficiency, i.e. not having to work so hard to get your resource needs met. My wife is a cultural anthropologist, and once cited me a study that showed hunter gatherers spent roughly 40% of their day making ends meet whereas agrarian societies spent upwards of 70% doing the same. I found that really interesting and somewhat counterintuitive.
And it's important to note that an entire continent can't support very many hunter-gatherers. At their peak there were never more than a few million Indians; prior to them paleolithic humans managed to cause the extinction of a number of large ungulate species through over-hunting, despite their primitive tools and low numbers.
To a certain extent everyone's available leisure time can be controlled through expectations. If you're perfectly content to live in a trailer house and drive an old car, you've evaded the two most time-consuming desires that motivate modern Americans, or more correctly you've avoided the need to train for and work the hours necessary to earn enough to support the sort of debt those two items demand.
Homeless bums have nothing but leisure time. Ken Lay thinks you're lazy since you don't insist upon owning several homes in Aspen in addition to your several homes in Texas and a few more on each coast. For me the happy median lies between those extremes--and pretty close to the trailer house stratum. YMMV.
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PJ, its important here to note the difference between "nomadic" and "hunter gatherer". Many rainforest peoples have permanent or semipermanent homes yet live a hunter gatherer lifestyle. I think moving your shit every day would significantly inflate that 40% figure.
There is no way I can provide the cite, but I will ask my wife if she can locate it if you are interested.
There is no way I can provide the cite, but I will ask my wife if she can locate it if you are interested.
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