18Psyche

CelestialHaze · Post by **CelestialHaze** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:44 pm

They distrust the youth
They wish for older souls
Forget the youthful spirits who sing of change,of which there lives they re-arrange
Forget youthful ideas,youthful energy,youthful love
Forget it all

I was quite surprised to see an event like this having the 18 or older stamp on it aswell as deeply distraught about it.The youth are once again excluded from experiencing anything outside the box or anything that might have a spark of meaning in it.Why is it our culture is so insistant on sheltering the youth from anything and everything?

I'm not trying to pick a fight here I just can't believe that of all places burning man conforms to this particular reality model."They can't take care of themselves out in the dessert" isnt that why they now impose checks at the gate before letting anyone in to see if they have ample supplies to survive before letting them in?"They are immature and don't contribute to society" isn't there rules to kick individuals out if problems are caused by them?youth should be treated no differently.

Terrence McKenna believed youth culture as a whole was very expressive,creative,and worthy of being taken seriously.Quoted from one of his series in the valley of novelty"I don't particularily understand the youth bashing that goes on in our culture" or something around those lines.Granted not letting youth into an event isn't a form of youth bashing but it is a form of segragating them from the event.I just can't see why an event that appeals to art,expressionism,and creativity wouldn't want the youth naturally integrated into it.

I can see a bar or some half-assed place not letting anyone under 18 years in as there part of the mainstream society and there not striving to experiment with new social infastructures,but why would BRC a place deemed radically experimental not want youth culture to embrace the social experiment so they may take that experience home with them after the event and change the mainstream culture and there lifestyles?
Afterall youth are the future so if exposed to new ideas and experiences in their youth years maybe society would be a lot less boring and more poetic and insightful.
Aside from that LasVegas the most adult oriented city in the world doesn't have an age limit so why should BRC?

Insights?Disagreements?Agreements?,post your thoughts please :)

Post by **AntiM** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:46 pm

Aside from that LasVegas the most adult oriented city in the world doesn't have an age limit so why should BRC?

Welcome to eplaya. I must admit, your entire post irritated me right off the bat. Would have been nice to meet and greet us before accusing "us" in a blanket statement of hating and denying "youth culture" whatever that is. I usually don't react strongly, but hey, you asked, so here's my thoughts in no particular order:

Oh my, you are so fucking naive.

Las Vegas doesn't require tickets to get in. Black Rock does.

"We" aren't sheltering "you"; there are state and federal laws to be considered; "we" are covering "our" asses. There's asshats of any age who can't cope in the desert, it isn't about that at all. It isn't about segregation, it is about potential lawsuits.

Don't worry, time flies. You'll be old before you know it.

You could attend with a guardian. If I were being extra-snide, I'd suggest Kidsville.

They distrust the youth
They wish for older souls
Forget the youthful spirits who sing of change,of which there lives they re-arrange
Forget youthful ideas,youthful energy,youthful love
Forget it all

They distrust the aged
They wish for younger flesh
Forget the youthful spirits who sing of change
of which their lives they re-arrange
Forget youthful ideas, youthful energy, youthful love,
You are clad in aging flesh, therefore I will judge you old
And incapable of love and joy and insight

How dare you make assumptions about my spirit!

Dang punk kids!

Well, you asked, that's uncensored, and a rare type of response from me.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:45 am

I am so tempted to say something like "We don't want to be swamped by irritating, self-centered, uber-purple prose" but that's probably just too snarky.

Maybe I'll hold my toungue.

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:12 am

Eh, snarky R us. I was in a really foul temper last night. Good thing I was nearly sober!

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:29 am

I'm pretty sure it's only because it takes place in the US where you are considered an adult at 18. If the law of the land was 14 then I'm sure BM would be 14 or older. As much as we like to think BM is free and lawless for that week the BMorg still has to deal with the rules of Defaultia for the rest of the year.

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:33 am

Clearly its just another move by the Patriarchy(tm) to furher entrench our konsumerist kuhltur.

K-mom · Post by **K-mom** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:17 pm

The point is to keep whining pathetic kids away while letting in all the clever, resourceful kids in who took the time & effort to make themselves a really kick ass fake ID.

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:57 pm

Haha good point. California IDs are pretty easy to make.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:04 pm

Celestial Haze,

What age is your viewpoint coming from?

CelestialHaze · Post by **CelestialHaze** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:51 pm

Thanks for the replys folks,I appreciate the responses :lol: (seriously I do)

Anyways I originally posted this as an introduction that would hopefully lead to a good discussion on the "age" game as a whole and not merely just BRC exclusively.I guess i'm not extremely good at formulating an opinion as I didn't mean for it to be tooken as me shoving my rant down all of your throats as this rant was most certainly not geared towards any one person or the intendees of BRC as a whole.My intent was to hear the views of others on the subject though and it looks like everyone got the picture eh?

I guess the first replier took it to heart most of all.I didn't mean for it to be tooken as static in motive so i'm sorry if it got under your skin :P

Please share more views on the topic,also what do you all think of youth and psychedelics.May our only hope be to expand the minds of the young in order to secure the future?

PS:To the above poster,i'm 17 by age if you wanted to know.I really have an angsty negative bias towards the philosophy that age determines mental capacity and ability to act mindfully,whether you meant to ask my age for that purpose idk but it sounded like it to me :?

Edit:
The first few lines of the introductary post were part of a poem,it wasn't directed at brc intendees and staff.

Post by **AntiM** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:20 pm

Oh, you caught me on an especially bad day. I'm usually nice as pie.

Hey, I remember what it was like to be seventeen. And you know what? I'm amazed I survived my own stupidity. Of course, had anyone told me I was acting like a moron, I would have told them to fuck off. Yes, age AND experience do have effects on mindfullness. That's not to say some kids aren't sharp and aware, nor that all adults have life nailed, but there are definitely some brain developement issues there.

Teenagers and psychedelics? Er, not a good idea physiologically speaking. At seventeen, the brain is not finished developing, introducing psychedelics to an "unfinished" brain is more likely to introduce problems which cannot be easily compensated for later as an adult. I dount mind expansion by artificial means is needed at a young age when the brain is still discovering itself and the universe. And I'm no longer entirely certain that psychedelics are mind expanding, mind altering yes, but I find more truths on my own anymore than I ever did when tripping. They just seemed like universal truths then. Now? Interesting, but did nothing to promote true action or creativity. BTW, off topic a bit, pot smoking most assuredly can arrest mental and emotional developement, there's more than one study on that.

Yes, I can dig up cites, but I'm kinda busy/lazy right now. Trust me, these are topics near and dear to my heart as an ex-educator, I'm not just spouting personal opinions concerning teens and their brains; I studied this stuff pretty deeply.

The future lies in compassion and participation, education and action. Take that angst you have and direct the energy into making a positive change in your life, or your world, however small that change may be. You aren't going to be seventeen much longer, then each year will fly by, and you'll wonder how did I get to be 50? You'll want the young kids to value you then, and despair when they cannot wait to grasp the world and have no time to hear the voices of those who've been down these paths before. Take it one day at a time, and don't be resentful of those who tell you "wait until you grow up." If you're always worried for tomorrow, you will find little joy in today. (hey, fortune cookies!)

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:01 pm

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I really have an angsty negative bias towards the philosophy that age determines mental capacity and ability to act mindfully,whether you meant to ask my age for that purpose idk but it sounded like it to me :?
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You also have to understand that as people get older they do get wiser. You probably look around at people of all ages and see many who are much less mentally mature than yourself. So from your perspective age doesn't matter, and you are correct. You cannot judge someones maturity based on age.

From the mindset of many people though, they know they get more mature the older they get, and you will too, regardless of how many people you've already surpassed. You'll look back in 10 years and realize how naive you were even though you may be less naive than most people. We all do it. So some people automatically assume that since they are more mature than they were 10 years ago, that they must be more mature than everyone 10 years younger, which sounds like a good deduction but is ultimately incorrect.

I know 15 year olds who are wiser and more mature than some 60 year olds, but those 15 year olds won't stop maturing and gaining wisdom though, so they may even have the tendency to assume that younger ones are less mature than they are. It's a natural assumption for those who have not thought it through completely, so don't take it personally.

I think the best thing is to just realize that you'll always have to deal with human nature, regardless of if it's right or wrong, so prepare for it and use it to your advantage when you can and try to avoid the negative aspects.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:28 am

Another voice against playing with psyche drugs. I think we over-puritanize (boy what an awkward coinage!) in this culture, but drugs are potentially very dangerous, especially to young minds; maybe the halloosinogins can bring about useful insight to mind, but if they do it is probably within a wiser cultural context than exists here and now; you never know what street drugs are cut with; and even though some of the laws are stupid, crossing over into disobeying them does represent a potentially dangerous alienation from the larger community. I'm not saying that you can't have civil disobedience, but my experience is that when people say that about drug use, it's just a gloss.

And I grew up in Berkeley and I've seen more people who were harmed by drugs, lost opportunities to drugs, got into stupid situations due to drugs, than I have seen people who had their feet put on a golden path by them.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:31 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:I've seen more people who were harmed by drugs, lost opportunities to drugs, got into stupid situations due to drugs, than I have seen people who had their feet put on a golden path by them.

If it were not for my drug use as a teen I might have wound up with a better education. I have lost many friends to drug overdoses over the years. And I don't think I'll ever be quite right in the head again. I highly discourage drug use as a teen, especially psychedelics. I started smoking pot when I was around 15 and started blotter and shrooms around 16. Needless to say I was on the streets at 16. I have had to do many things some would be ashamed of to stay alive while homeless. It took me a few years to get back on track but I will never get those brain cells back. I still do drugs but only to numb the pain that is my life. Once the hallucinogens wake one up its hard to go back to being a prole. I often wonder if I would have been happier as a prole.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:27 pm

I asked your age because you were talking about age and gave us no hint about yours.
If burning man as a crowd has a prejudice, it might be against people who aren't young.
As they said, it is a legal thing only.
You must be aware of the legal difficulty of being under 18 by now.

It sounds like you are going through a lot of the things I did.
As a teenager, I started hanging out in the coffeehouses and my friends ranged from older to seventy or eighty. The coffeehouses had that range then. I found so many people my age annoying that when I was seventeen I wouldn't have dated you just because you are seventeen.
Almost everyone I dated for a long time was much older than me.
Pretty stupid, huh, to think no one else my age could be interesting?
But I really didn't meet many people my age that had my interests or range of reading and so on.
So I had to overcome my own age prejudice eventually.
And a lot of things about people really are not different, no matter what your age is. Personality often is consistent.
Unfortunately a lot of people don't get smarter or wiser as they experience life.
I'm sure you've already noticed that.
But you are supposed to change.

At burning man you will meet a lot of people that can challenge you intellectually, of all ages, if that is what you are after.
There are a lot of different burning mans out there.
When you go, you get to decide which one is yours.
Regardless, the next year will be different
and you will be too.
If you are going to be under eighteen next year,
go with a guardian.
You're lucky to get to go, no matter what.

Because of distance and other interference, I made plans and tried to go for ten years before I got to the desert.
Some of the things I want to see, no longer exist.
It was a weird feeling to know so much about it when I got there.

But I was born for burning man!

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:21 am

Toolmaker wrote: I often wonder if I would have been happier as a prole.

I suspect not. I think self awareness, even the awareness of the bitterness of your own mistakes, is on the balance a good thing. I think we find our truest values by violating them and growing from the pain. But I still think you can avoid some of the really dumb mistakes based on others' experiences...

Post by **mdmf007** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:24 pm

"I am too old enough to go to BM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

geez, kid chill out and enjoy your youth while you can. Soon enough you'll have a mortgage, shitty diapers to change, an ex, inlaws, a career you hate, and will need BM like the rest of us. BM for me keeps me from leaving eric shaped holes in walls.

When your young you think your blazing a trail, and no one knows what you are thinking, you are unique in your beliefs. Then when you get older your parents somehow get smarter, and looking down you realize its a pretty beaten path you have been following.

My suggestion, relax, come to BM when you can, come with an older friend.

Later

skygod · Post by **skygod** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:17 am

MikeVDS wrote:You also have to understand that as people get older they do get wiser.
.

I'm not sure that's true. What I do know is that most of the stupid people I knew when I was young are dead now.

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:30 pm

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What I do know is that most of the stupid people I knew when I was young are dead now
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Perhaps laying in a box is wiser than their previous activities?

skygod · Post by **skygod** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:17 pm

MikeVDS wrote: Perhaps laying in a box is wiser than their previous activities?

"The grave is a fine and private place.
But none do there, I think, embrace."

CelestialHaze · Post by **CelestialHaze** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:33 pm

Funny story.
I was bored and looking for some interesting articles to read,and so I googled "psychedelics and youth".Well about two websites down,low and behold,it's my old eplaya post!
There must be a reason for me finding my way back here so I feel I should share some more thoughts on this topic,that should warrent a thread revival eh?!

Anyway I have to say I can definitly see the potential dangers involved with altering the mind at a young age,but at the same time I don't believe I would be in the beautiful place internally and externally that I am now if I hadn't dosed on psilocybin in particular at the age of 15.
For me I first started smoking marijuana at 14 as a rarity and only every once in awhile.The first time I smoked marijuana it was given to me by my brother,and he had purchased it on the street.He was already pretty heavy into the stuff at that time and tried to explain to me its effects and what it felt like to get high.For me this didn't satisfy and I made a decision to smoke it with him late at night.

My earliest experiences with marijuana were extremely powerful,infact looking back on them they resembled more of a psychedelic trip than the now common marijuana high experienced when I smoke it.I was in a dark basement passing around a joint in a little hut we set up down there.The first effects started to hit me and I first noticed how odd regular conversation seemed.My verbal communications seemed really pointless and trivial,the daily routine extremely comical.Looking around at my surroundings I had no recollection of being in a basement in a smoky poorly built hut.I had actually for a short while been transported into a surrounding of the imagination.I had thought I was in a campground,later sessions transported me to University campuses and bizaar village landscapes.Why i'm mentioning these early marijuana experiences is because they primarily led me to the psychedelics and probably set the stage for my current routines and activities functioning through the external world.

So I grew fond of the marijuana high and eventually started to get involved with drug dealers to obtain the goods.Fortunatley for me the drug dealers I dealt with were real shady individuals and they liked to rip people off.This would have just pissed alot of other people off,and for me it did also,but it actually led me to get a foaf to grow his own substances so that I wouldn't have to deal with and support a bunch of greedy,stuck-up drug dealers.

I spent alot of time reading up on mushroom cultivation and eventually got afoaf to grow mushrooms which led me to experience what they had to offer.The effects were profound.I actually had around the age of 15 or 16 a true mystical experience.My ego seemed to die off,for what seemed like an eternity I was in the palm of god.Many things took place and were revealed that completly ripped my linear beliefs apart at their seems.It was extremely alarming to me how a drug could have this effect on the brain,how it could unlock the totality of being,the beyond human capacity for love temporarily pulsating through your spirit.

After that experience I was expanded in a kind of way.I had a different look in my eye,a more compassionate,curious way about me.For lack of better words,I recovered what was slipping away,the innocence and beauty of the child mind,the part of the psyche which was being pushed aside to make way for the initiation into adulthood.Since then i've been more interested in poetry instead of scientific thought,more interested in art and beauty than closure and roles in the game of mainstream life.Did it just make me more of what I already was?Perhaps;I was always daydreaming and writing and drawing,but I never really took those things to be of more importance than societal roles and governmental morality pushed unto me since birth.I never thought the heart to be of more importance than the intentional mind,never thought of the imagination as something which held the key to the riddle of life.

It is for this reason I believe psychedelics to be a gratuitus grace,a helpful allay for youth to re-capture the essence of the imagination in the years in which they are being integrated into the adult mind.Many people who have started later in life with psychedelics report positive insights and life-changing experiences.While this is good,many adults have already lost the purely curious and child-like part of the psyche;they've locked it away completley in some dark corridor of their mind.This doesn't mean they won't recapture it through the experiences,but having lost it makes it all the more difficult to recapture.

When your in your youth years you still have that child-like curiosity and imagination about you;you havn't completly locked it away.Your just beginning to abandon it for the integration into the rational,adult mind.The youth years are very chaotic and filled with emotion.You still have the child within,but it's becoming a shadow,a part of you which your locking away to become a mundane,rational,adult.Becuase you havn't quite lost it yet,psychedelics can very much inspire you to use your youthful energy to lead a more interesting,novel life and change the course of your future before it's pre-ordained and set in stone.

Idk,there are many youth who only see drugs in an uninsightful manor.But speaking for myself,I can attest personally to the fact that the psychedelics opened new doors in my mind.By no means should of I been a candidate for such a powerful experience.I came to the psycehedelics for sheer recreation and fun,but for some reason things were revealed to me which completly changed my outlook on the substances and life itself.I literally fell into the lap of god,I had no intention to be there,all I wanted was some distortions and pretty colours,what I got was life changing and groundbreaking.
For me this points to the fact that anyone is a potential candidate to recieve mystical experiences,whether there 15 or 75,it doesn't matter.For the child they already have the mind without the need for drugs to open the door because it is already wide open.For the youth and adults who have begun to or have completly locked that door psychedelics and mystical experience may help to lead them back to the room of illumination and wonder, the essence of the child-mind.It may be that adults can better handle powerful experiences,but youth are no less receptive to the mystical states induced by drugs or rituals.The key lies in intentionality.With the right intentionality anyone can experience the divine,regardless of age.Even without intentionality people of varying ages may experience the mystical aswell.

I have more to say on this topic,but my post is getting pretty long.I thought this topic was worth reviving,so i'd love others to post their views on the topic of youth and psychedelic drugs in general.By no means do I think of my viewpoint as right or wrong,it's just a viewpoint to toss around and think about.I think we all can learn from one another,there's truth in everything.

Please share some insight and lead us all into new realms of thought!

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:03 pm

Wtf z afoaf?

Fex · Post by **Fex** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:03 pm

gyre wrote:Wtf z afoaf?

I was wondering that too... my guess from context would be "Friend Of A Friend".

Then again, it could just be a Fucking Oaf. I've known a few of those that grew their own dope. Got stoned a lot with several of them. That was when I was in my teens, unraveling the mysteries of my being and illuminating the new beginning of a brilliant future guided by scintillating revelations thru the divine light of hallucinogenic gifts from the gods.

I'm 40 and unemployed right now. Must have strayed from the shining path at some point... future didn't look quite like this back then.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:57 pm

gyre wrote:Wtf z afoaf?

It is indeed "friend of a friend" .. at least it is supposed to mean that

Glad to hear yer doing good Celestial.. also glad to hear you had better luck than I. I had a similar intorduction to drug use but had a nasty turn after LSD at 16. Fortunately I got back on track and got my HS diploma and a trade school certificate. I would have had less regrets without the years from 16-20 and what I wound up doing back then. I still have to agree with the BM age restriction.. mainly because it is a really rough event for those unprepared. The playa is actively trying to kill you and VERY few IMHO would be able to handle the rigors of radical self reliance at the event at an early age without parent or guardian.

CelestialHaze · Post by **CelestialHaze** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:26 am

Thanks for the new replies.

I don't really have much to say on the 18 thing anymore,I see their point and take it as valid.They just wish to keep the thing going without the party poopers giving them trouble,and so often they flock to areas where teens migrate(raves,concerts,etc.).At the same time I believe age is a conn.I believe our deep rooted judgements based on age in our society is at best a fairly obscure way to sort and judge the masses,and at worst a complete and utter failure which tells us nothing of the human mind and psychological processes taking place at different times in ones life.

I guess for me I see alot of good in the youth that could chime well with BM.This is either because i'm extremely positive or because theres still a spark of decency left in our culture.I'm thinking i'll experience the burn next year,this year i'm working on a huge art project and am trying to focus my energy on that.I'm somewhat confident i'll be able to survive out in the desert,and if I don't I suppose i'll die happy,lol.

Last year I left on my bike solo across Canada with nothing but my wallet and camping supplies,and I seemed to do fine.I never made it to my intended destination due to my bike breaking down.Upon bringing it into the closest Canadian Tire(thats a canadian department/auto store for those of you who are American),they apparently didn't know a from b and messed the thing up more.The irony was I bought the bike from a CT back in my hometown!
So anyway I had my heart set on a Rainbow Gathering up in Quebec,but only made it to Orangeville,slightly past Toronto.I had started from Windsor(the strange little Canadian city across from the city of Detroit),and I probably could have made it to the gathering if I took the time to get my bike fixed right.Instead I decided to make a consience decision to call it quits,I felt I had met alot of interesting people and seen my share of surprises,afterall it's the journey and not the destination.

The reason for the above story is because there is something I felt significant about it.A few days after arriving back home I got news that there was a huge storm that took place around the area I was heading toward,and of which I would have probably arrived at when the storm was taking place if I had kept going. A couple people apparently died camping out in the storm and I probably would have been in a bad spot with my pup tent,quite possibly might have had it ripped out of the ground with me in it.

For me I felt something must have been looking out for me,god or otherwise.At the time I hadn't realised it but all the strife and all the things that went wrong on that last day of my trip actually might have saved my life,something might have foresaw what lie ahead so to speak.I was captivated by that thought for awhile,amazed at the significance and the way in which the whole thing was orchestrated.To tie this in with the burn,perhaps I wasn't meant to find my way there this year,maybe my tie-ups are for a reason.

Also to Toolmaker I wished to write the above story for.What this points to for me is that perhaps our strifes are for a reason.It might have been your past strifes that led you to pursue your education,might have been your past strifes that gave you that extra determination and energy you needed to continue up the ladder,to concur the gravity and opposing forces which existed to throw you off balance and criple you back into your past ways.

The amazing and beautiful thing about life is we can learn from all experiences,good and bad.Bad experiences help us to appreciate the good,and the good experiences help us to learn and transcend the bad experiences by inspiring us,by showing us for those ecstatic and precious few seconds the romance of eternity,the beauty of being a part of it all.The beauty in the trees and the blue sky,in the citystreets and the eyes of a stranger.We can take that inspiration and use it to become what we dream,to become more complete as individuals aswell as a unified whole.

Well my post is getting quite long again,i'll save some thoughts to expand on later.

P.L.U.R.

skygod · Post by **skygod** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:01 am

I would say that psychedelic journeys are similiar to any other successful adventure: The goal is to return home safely and see it as if for the first time.
Who said that?

Teo del Fuego · Post by **Teo del Fuego** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:07 pm

Charles Manson?

mojo · Post by **mojo** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:14 pm

Teo - you just made coffee come out of my nose....

skygod · Post by **skygod** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:15 pm

Blake, I think, or Huxley, or Muir.

mullingitover · Post by **mullingitover** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:59 pm

CelestialHaze wrote:They distrust the youth

I was quite surprised to see an event like this having the 18 or older stamp on it aswell as deeply distraught about it.
...
Insights?Disagreements?Agreements?,post your thoughts please :)

Last year was my first burn, and I was totally distraught to see children at Burning Man. It might be another story for seventeen year olds, but the children I saw obviously didn't make the decision to attend. Their parents dragged them along. I thought this was incredibly selfish and irresponsible, and I'm glad to see that it won't happen this year.

Would you take your preteen children to a death metal concert? Would you let them run around in the parking lot at a Grateful Dead show back in the day? Hopefully the answer is no. Yet I saw grade school age children all over the place last year.

Taking your kids to Burning Man is a great way to identify yourself to others as an irresponsible parent.

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