EXODUS

chiefdanfox · Post by **chiefdanfox** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:25 pm

Kinetic,
It is a guess, but the State of Nevada, specifically the highway department holds the right of way easement on that highway. I do not believe that the highway is a BLM highway, never heard of such a thing, but then NV is 95% BLM land.

You are going to need a traffic control plan, with specific dates, routes, emergency response plans, and a certified, bonded contractor to manage the control plan, translated: money.

Just like replacing a bridge, or building new lanes on the road, you are going to have to prove to the highway department you have the plan and the resources to temporarily change the flow of traffic on a state highway.

It can be done, but it is best done with an engineer, specifically one who knows folks in the NV highway department. It will take some money. The engineer is going to charge $10k-$15k for the plan, and the crew would be probably union wage, plus holiday pay. It would probably take twenty crew, two chiefs and a supervisor, time and 1/2, double time on Monday.

You're looking at about $5k a day for crew, potties, etc. Realistically, you can move the highway for two days for about $30k. At least that is my estimate, from the hip.

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:49 pm

I am aware of all of the points you listed, I'm simply glossing over the details in my posts to get the main idea out. If it's something that has public support then there's a few options available to put the idea in play, so to speak.

I've already got inquiries out to people I know in Missouri, Illinois, Georgia, North Carolina, Louisiana, and Texas along with some people in D.C. to cross check some things...once that comes back and depending on what I see here I very well may go after it. It's just too early to commit to it though....

Thanks for your post. And 447, at least the part I'm interested in is NDOT controlled. I confirmed that yesterday.

chiefdanfox · Post by **chiefdanfox** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:54 pm

Forgot a significant part:
I was thinking crew 1/2 mile apart, from the festival to Gerlach (10 miles?)but unsure of NV regs. Chances are, the distance could be more like 1/4 mile, which doubles the crew.

Also, if the plan includes incorporated city streets, (Nixon, Empire, Gerlach), then the plan might be subject to a city council vote (unsure here, I live in CA, and in CA, that is how it is done). Given the probability of a few council votes, then some "amenities" would likely need to be tendered. $$
The upside? $5.00 on 30,000 tix is $150 k, plenty of "amenity" and cost coverage.

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:01 pm

Nobody said it was going to be easy...and yeah, those incorporated city streets were one of the first things I saw as a potential problem. There's also vendors out there that make a lot of money off the exodus traffic so anything that endangers that revenue stream is going to see resistance.

chiefdanfox · Post by **chiefdanfox** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:15 pm

PM me anytime. [email protected]

vangran · Post by **vangran** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:00 am

I missed the Monday exodus. Had commitments in the default world and had to leave Sat.nite after the MAN burned about 11 pm. Made it to 447(34?) in about 30 min.

About loose trash. If cars are basically at a standstill in the exodus line Why could'nt volunteers walk the lines looking for improperly secured loads and point them out to drivers before they hit the highway? If there is time to party and eat hot dogs it seems like there would be time to tighten up loose potential MOOP. especially if people were willing to help each other. Again I was'nt there on Mon. so I don't know. Iguess next year I need to. Not fair to tell others how it should be if you can't be there yourself.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:41 am

I can not see any value in changing the hwy's until "a way to them" is changed. The BLM will permitte only one ramp from the playa to the hwy. I insist that the traffic be controled a the city exit points. A even flow up to and over the ramp would be at best advantage at this time.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:13 am

I left during the Exodus and thee was a ranger going down the lines of cars pointing out poorly secured loads,... seems like you’d have to want to lose your trash to be able to lose it...

Lorgasm · Post by **Lorgasm** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:25 am

I want to thank the Flower art car and the Fly Trap and the folks with it that were at the Exodus saying cya to us. It was a great.

....until next year my lovelies.....

2_rivers · Post by **2_rivers** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:34 pm

My friend's rig broke down and she didn't know till Mon. morning that it didn't work. She rode her bike to Gerlach, and found a tow truck driver from the same little shithole town I currently stay in. We were able to drive right by the entire Exodus, and made it from 2:00 and Destiny all the way to my house in 2 hours.

Elliot · Post by **Elliot** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:02 pm

I drove straight out -- Tuesday morning. Monday evening was wonderfully peaceful and quiet,
yet there were plenty of nice folks left to visit with.
Highly recommended.

skygod · Post by **skygod** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:28 pm

Elliot wrote::D
I drove straight out -- Tuesday morning. Monday evening was wonderfully peaceful and quiet,
yet there were plenty of nice folks left to visit with.
Highly recommended.

I'm going to leave tuesday next year.

BAS · Post by **BAS** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:09 pm

We left at something like three or four Monday morning, and didn't have much trouble. There were some slowdowns, but no stop and start driving. It wasn't bad at all, considering the size of the event!

B.

PrfDodecahedron · Post by **PrfDodecahedron** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:47 pm

Does anyone know what the population of burning man was this year? (2006) Every year I try to find it on the website somewhere but I never seem to find it.

-Prf Dodecahedron

Elliot · Post by **Elliot** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:22 pm

One of the BRC newspapers had a number on the last day.
I can't seem to find it now, but it was a very high 39.xxx.

Tapestry · Post by **Tapestry** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:08 pm

One of the problems with Exodus in 2006 was the limited number of licensed state flaggers. The state of Nevada requires that anybody out on the road directing traffic is trained and licensed to direct traffic properly and safely. Everyone working Exodus was required to be licensed. There were only so many licensed flaggers to go around, and traffic consequently jammed up.

One solution: require that _everybody_ working DPW, Gate, & Perimeter as well as Exodus take flagger training. It only takes a couple of hours, and that would provide a much bigger pool of flaggers to handle traffic jams.

Post by **mdmf007** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:01 pm

dongiovanni wrote:Why don't they open up the watertruck road for folks headed east (to Winnemuca) ? Split the crowd in the beginning itself.

DonG -
The road to Winnemucca (Jungo Sulfur road) never has been closed. People complain about this road being rough - but we have never had problems on it. This is the route we take from the east every year. Due to work I am either in Winnemucca, or Boise when we have to mob to BM.

My Description - 100 Miles of dirt road, one train track crossing, 9 turn offs (easily distinguishable from the main road) and straight as hell for 80% of it. Up until 2003 we would just drive across the playa from the 3-4 oclock position - no traffic at all. cross the tracks and then roll on to winnemucca. Total trip from playa to Winnemucca is just under 2 hours this way. NOw I have to go through Gerlach and that takes two hours just to get there. then 2 more to winnemucca.

If you did rn ou of fuel, theres enough traffic that would stop and help you.

FYI - When we are responding to fires on Jungo Road you can easily cruise at 80+ mph as you can see miles ahead of you, slow down for the curves though.

I would like to see the playa opened up so we can use this route directly from BRC.
later all

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:30 am

Tapestry wrote:One solution: require that _everybody_ working DPW, Gate, & Perimeter as well as Exodus take flagger training. It only takes a couple of hours, and that would provide a much bigger pool of flaggers to handle traffic jams.

Yeah, enough of that volenteer crap--let's have manditory work!

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:37 am

How about aXodus game?

EXODUS

Kinetic is not alone

downside

Stay a while!

Re: Stay a while!

head count?