case studies

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:10 am

SB, just shut up. Go back to posting on the 3Playa or do your behind the scenes work here and quit beating dead horses.

SED · Post by **SED** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:36 am

spectabillis wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Am I missing something here?
Or is this thread just the "Get the spambot" thread?
what you are missing is your involvement in never being able to follow those same guidelines yourself, and never listening everytime that was mentioned. its sad because no one pays much attention to you anymore but we all know you're going to ignore it or disagree why.

SPECTABILIS, YOU HAVE BEEN SUMMONED TO THUNDERDOME. PREPARE TO BE CHASTIZED.

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:46 am

SED wrote:
spectabillis wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Am I missing something here?
Or is this thread just the "Get the spambot" thread?
what you are missing is your involvement in never being able to follow those same guidelines yourself, and never listening everytime that was mentioned. its sad because no one pays much attention to you anymore but we all know you're going to ignore it or disagree why.
SPECTABILIS, YOU HAVE BEEN SUMMONED TO THUNDERDOME. PREPARE TO BE CHASTIZED.

SED, go find a cooler to soak your feet in, I want him first.
Actually I'd like a shot at him in the real Thunderdome but that will never happen.

Edit: On second thought after seeing SED's post in the Thunderdome thread, he said everything I wanted to.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:59 am

will never cease to amaze me how the drama here always attracts those who are prone to it, everytime. its like a perverse addiction of an endless cycle.

i predict...

- the drama will continue to attract the same people
- those same people prone to conflict will continue to drag in personal grudges and history that skews things towards a validation of their actions
- whatever other problems exist not directly related to the immediate ones being discussed will continue to be an ignition point into others

so if you have a specific case to discuss that doesnt involve those points then go ahead, otherwise get over it for the sake of everyone else.

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:17 am

spectabillis wrote:will never cease to amaze me how the drama here always attracts those who are prone to it, everytime. its like a perverse addiction of an endless cycle.

i predict...

- the drama will continue to attract the same people
- those same people prone to conflict will continue to drag in personal grudges and history that skews things towards a validation of their actions
- whatever other problems exist not directly related to the immediate ones being discussed will continue to be an ignition point into others

so if you have a specific case to discuss that doesnt involve those points then go ahead, otherwise get over it for the sake of everyone else.

Perhaps you're seeing only what you want to see, and what you've been lead to believe. People do change over time, yet if you continue to share in the prejudices of others you can quickly become blind yourself. In fact I'm willing to say you have been blinded....if DVD or myself says anything on here you're quick to bring up the past to try and discredit us....no matter if our ideas or concerns have merit or not, it's immediately fire the broadsides, oh my gawd, they can't be allowed to ever learn from mistakes or move on, we have to keep dragging them back to flog them some more.

sheesh, and I was naive enough to think the 3Playa's influence was waning....how stupid. It's still as strong as it ever was.

In any event you're no longer a moderator so perhaps you should know your role and shut your mouth. Now can case studies be returned to it's intended purpose or do you have more axes to grind on behalf of yourself and the 3playans who manipulate you so easily it's not even funny?

(By the way I'm taking bets that DM or someone comes charging in to try and save the day....any second now.)

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:28 am

lets try and bring this back into a case study thing then.

sure, i can understand what you are saying. the problem is when those mistakes are repeated. for some people it doesnt change where its proven time and again.

SED · Post by **SED** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:35 am

Let's take a look at Spectabilis as a case study in flawed moderation.

The problem, as I see it, is that a joyless scold has attained and then retained moderator status despite a lack of effectiveness, or even popularity.

Is there any mechanism now in place for removing such carbuncles from the Board?

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:48 am

i'm not moderating sed so i will repeat myself since you dont seem to get it. i am not concerned if someone takes what i have to say seriously or not, its a discussion and thats it, there is no action. people have the freedom to reply or ask me questions if they like, i have the freedom to do the same.

its sad to see you are so irate that you cant control yourself, again. so take it to the thunderdome and keep it there, that decision was made so you would still have your place to rant and carry on in your normal pissy self and yet you are now trying to spread it around, again. its bad enough that you fucked up by spamming across the board and upsetting a lot of people, including the one person who has spent almost seven years in selfless dedication as you shit all over her. now you just want to try and pick some fight with someone else, again. that level of selfishness is really insulting after people tried to make you happy.

jesus man, grow the fuck up already, seriously.

emily sparkle · Post by **emily sparkle** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:52 am

Actually, SB isn't a moderator any more. He's IS someone who cares enough about the eplaya to try to make his transition away from moderation smooth though. I appreciate all he's done around here.

I would recommend you guys work this out in Thunderdome if there's more to say.

SED · Post by **SED** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:11 am

Here's the deal--Spec may not be moderating, but his screen name shows up green, so that means he's still a mod, right? This isn't personal, but like Spec says, I don't get it.

As for Emily, I have no other issue with her than the lack of a public explanation as to why ePlaya is such a low priority to the BMORG. I also submit that she's a big girl and can handle criticism. For myself, I'd like a clear understanding as to why this spam problem hasn't been solved. I'm sure there are many others who would also appreciate this. I suggest it be included in JRS and as a general publication to all users of this board.

Finally, this board and Burning Man itself are about self-expression. That's all I'm doing. If as a mod, Spec has placed himself in a role that criticizes the quality of what we citizens choose to say, he's breaching the boundaries of what a mod ought to do. That began long before he made claims to abandoning his powers as a mod. As Emily suggests, he should respond to me in Thunderdome, if he feels he must respond at all.

So the case study question is this: how do we act against a mod who so abuses his role?

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:26 am

SED wrote: So the case study question is this: how do we act against a mod who so abuses his role?

There's nothing that can be done here.
1: He's no longer a moderator and he confirmed that again today.
2: It's safe to assume that the people who would make a change to his moderator status are the same ones that would help Emily get her admin account back or would apply the needed phpBB patches. Since they're not able to do either of those actions, changing SB's status would be way down the action list...in other words don't hold your breath waiting for a change.
3: When the moderator position was first discussed people nominated others for the role and people were given the chance to weigh in. No policy was clearly defined for removal so it seems logical that a request for removal would start with a petition for removal, then have anyone interested weigh in on it.

I'll shut up now and let others comment as I get through another checkpoint.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:29 am

SED wrote:Here's the deal--Spec may not be moderating, but his screen name shows up green, so that means he's still a mod, right?

no, it means i still have access to things that help in the transition. deleting spam posts crosses that line and i am guilty of that, but there is no other action. so despite trying to use some principal to overdramatize it there is no big-bad-bully censoring you.

and as far as what this board is about, thats for everyone to decide and not just you.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:46 am

Archantael wrote: 3: When the moderator position was first discussed people nominated others for the role and people were given the chance to weigh in. No policy was clearly defined for removal so it seems logical that a request for removal would start with a petition for removal, then have anyone interested weigh in on it.

sounds reasonable. only drawback is if its a group of people who are more concerned about the revenge factor than they are in any tangible issue. besides myself, i can list a dozen people off the top of my head who would have loved to enact revenge against emily, technopatra, actiongrl.

but if people want to do it for me...

Archantael wrote:1: He's no longer a moderator and he confirmed that again today.

.. its obvious its personal because i'm no longer a moderator. heh... people can be funny about such obvious intentions sometimes.

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:59 am

Don't assume anything about my intentions SB. That's a mistake.
One comment I wanted to say earlier but edited out before posting is I happen to like the SB I met on the playa this year. However after leaving the playa and getting back online it seemed like you changed completely....I wondered what happened! The change was so radical and so different....it was scary to witness. Anyway despite that I have no real problem with you...everyone knows who my online arch enemy is. If I've had issues with you I've told you so, either directly or by taking my shots, and you've fired back and that's that.

Let's move on...you can fight with SED, all I want is for someone, no anyone to get those phpBB patches put in!

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:12 am

Archantael wrote:Don't assume anything about my intentions SB. That's a mistake.

i wasnt, and maybe at some future time from now i might comment and post some notes, reflections, insights, and valuable lessons learned... but only if things improve where i think its valuable to do so.

otherwise y'all are just going to have to wait until the book is published and research posted in Journal of American Psychology, A study in On-line Psychopathology: Obsessions, Cognitive Dissonance, and Asocialization.

SED · Post by **SED** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:26 am

spectabillis wrote:
SED wrote:Here's the deal--Spec may not be moderating, but his screen name shows up green, so that means he's still a mod, right?
no, it means i still have access to things that help in the transition. deleting spam posts crosses that line and i am guilty of that, but there is no other action. so despite trying to use some principal to overdramatize it there is no big-bad-bully censoring you.

and as far as what this board is about, thats for everyone to decide and not just you.

I don't think you should have any access all. You're unstable and polarizing element here. Of course I am too, but then I have no other powers at my disposal.

Here's what I mean: you accuse me of what you yourself are doing. I never said that I was being censored. You did. That, my good spec, is a dramatization. I have never been censored here, by you or anyone, except when I launched my fake spam attack, and then I didn't care. It doesn't bother me when people ignore my frivolous posts, but when I get serious, folks like you ought to take note and not respond emotionally.

You are the problem, spec. You are not a credible figure and you should have no powers whatsoever. You are a case study in errant leadership. Why don't you put the matter to the test and give up whatever it is that you think is good work for the benefit of all? Let's see if anyone misses you or can even tell the difference.

I started the Thunderdome thread to publish such opinions. You have been summoned, yet you have failed to appear. You are a coward because you will only post in threads where you think you are safe. You have repeatedly abused this thread in that anyone who would criticize you must then also abuse this thread.

If you want to work for the benefit of the Board, then deal with the big problem--spam. If all you do is delete spam posts, then you might as well hit the beach with a whisk broom. You don't get praise for futile efforts.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:30 am

jesus, you really have gone off the deep end, good luck with that. done here.

SED · Post by **SED** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:25 pm

Hope you mean that.

Let's get back to business, now.

SED · Post by **SED** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:26 pm

Homeboy, I amthe deep end.

Let's get back to business, now.

emily sparkle · Post by **emily sparkle** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:35 pm

really SED, take it to thunderdome. thanks.

SED · Post by **SED** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:40 pm

emily sparkle wrote:really SED, take it to thunderdome. thanks.

Tell it to spec. I've been there, waiting. He chooses to air his id here. Not my choice.

emily sparkle · Post by **emily sparkle** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:42 pm

just because you want him to go doesn't mean he has to. if it's important enough to argue about, you can wait it out.

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Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:52 pm

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Edit: He put it to work fast:
http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... 985#294985

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DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:13 pm

spectabillis wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Am I missing something here?
Or is this thread just the "Get the spambot" thread?
what you are missing is your involvement in never being able to follow those same guidelines yourself, and never listening everytime that was mentioned.

I always follow the rules. Best as i can anyways.

I try to be a stickler about this.
If I have not answered......it's probably due to the fact that I have a life as do so many of you. As you can see I do answer what has been asked.

I try my best to have a prominent and efficient answer.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:15 pm

spectabillis wrote:will never cease to amaze me how the drama here always attracts those who are prone to it, everytime. its like a perverse addiction of an endless cycle.

i predict...

- the drama will continue to attract the same people
- those same people prone to conflict will continue to drag in personal grudges and history that skews things towards a validation of their actions
- whatever other problems exist not directly related to the immediate ones being discussed will continue to be an ignition point into others

so if you have a specific case to discuss that doesnt involve those points then go ahead, otherwise get over it for the sake of everyone else.

there is no reason to have this here.

we move on.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:19 pm

Archantael wrote:.if DVD or myself says anything on here you're quick to bring up the past to try and discredit us....no matter if our ideas or concerns have merit or not, it's immediately fire the broadsides, oh my gawd, they can't be allowed to ever learn from mistakes or move on, we have to keep dragging them back to flog them some more.

I have no problem with this. please bring up anything I have posted from the past.

it shall be sound to this day and beyond.