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Best "WAR" President...Woman?

Post by EvilDustBooger » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:43 pm

Well we all know who got us into this war.
And as much as we are hearing about failed intelligence concerning allegations of weapons of mass destruction, I can`t believe I haven`t heard more people screaming about how a political regime in this country criminally manipulated our people, our government and our election process by bringing us into an ill advised and shabbily planned and un-needed war in the mid-east. And to add further insult to our country, these idiots have as much as washed their hands and already passed the bloody gauntlet to the next poor slobs in the future administration and diplomatic corps...I`ll try not to rage anymore about that in this thread,...

So , WHO is the best suited leader to take on this thankless difficult task?

Personally, I think Hillary would make a good president, and I`d love to see her put on her war-face..I`ll bet she`s got a good one.
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...but I`m afraid it would really stir up the archaic Muslim taboos and distrust for dealing with women in government and hurt us in the foreign affairs/war negotiations areas of the countries we are occupying.

I`d really like to see what a woman president could bring to the office,
And Hillary has proven to be an effective leader, but this may not be a good time historically to have a female president.

But, I am not convinced of anything yet.
I tend to be continually suprised and outraged by the shitty choices we are given for new dictators.
And would really like to hear some opinions...especially from women.

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Post by joel the ornery » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:45 pm

um, that isn't her war-face?

uh oh.

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Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:49 pm

Oh dang, I don't think she can win, and she's very divisive.
As for the muslim distrust of women, Pakistan has had a woman prime minister, as well as other muslim countries I cannot think of right now. Turkey and Indonesia
I'm thinking of that damn flap when Pelosi told Rice that she didn't have anyone at stake in the war and all those right wingers got all upset, and thought it was a slur against Rice for being single and childless. That stuff could well raise its ugly head...
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Post by EvilDustBooger » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:49 pm

joel the ornery wrote:um, that isn't her war-face?

uh oh.
...yeah. See what I mean? That is her "on a good day" look.

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Post by joel the ornery » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:13 pm

EvilDustBooger wrote:
joel the ornery wrote:um, that isn't her war-face?
uh oh.
...yeah. See what I mean? That is her "on a good day" look.
i believe i will avert my eyes at the appropriate time.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:21 pm

EvilDustBooger wrote:
joel the ornery wrote:um, that isn't her war-face?

uh oh.
...yeah. See what I mean? That is her "on a good day" look.
I'm not sure, but Obama didn't vote for the war but he's hasn't completed his first term as a congressmen. He's clean, with no baggage of ghosts in his closet, but that can come out later- on yes his used drugs, but that may be a requisite for todays voters- people like politicians that they can connect to.

Hillary voted for the war and I think more then opposing the war she went with it to prove she can be a war hawk with the best of them. I see that more as a weakness then a patriot.

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Post by Toolmaker » Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:02 pm

She was already president twice. I'll be voting Green party again. I just don't have the heart to vote for either of the 2 parties that are the same globalist party Novus Ordo Seclorum. Plutocracy disgusts me and I'd rather live in a Constutional Republic like they told me this was in school. I will register as a Demo just to vote against her in the primary. :)
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Post by cowboyangel » Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:50 pm

Toolmaker wrote:She was already president twice. I'll be voting Green party again. I just don't have the heart to vote for either of the 2 parties that are the same globalist party Novus Ordo Seclorum. Plutocracy disgusts me and I'd rather live in a Constutional Republic like they told me this was in school. I will register as a Demo just to vote against her in the primary. :)
I'm with you on this one Toolmaker, though I think Bill ran things in the white house more than she did. Her overreaching personal ambition,vacillation on the Iraq mess, inability to understand the needs of working class America, and her magnetism for more divisiveness doom her as a potential president in my view. I will not vote for her either. So Green here we go again. Obama? He's gotta start making creative policy plans to re-build American jobs and infrastructure now. Like, Now.
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Post by cowboyangel » Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:56 pm

I vote for AntiM for President anyway. Anyone that's been through what she's gone through would have the necessary qualifications to set this crap-awful mess we call a country back together again.
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Post by BAS » Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:39 pm

cowboyangel wrote:I vote for AntiM for President anyway. Anyone that's been through what she's gone through would have the necessary qualifications to set this crap-awful mess we call a country back together again.

Sounds good to me! (Or, at least, better than anyone the Big Two Parties are offering....)


BTW, I was going to suggest Joe Strumer, except for the problems that Joe Strumer is A) British, and B) Dead. (I'd vote for him anyway, but the law says we can't have a dead, British punk rocker as president, unfortunately.)


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Post by SED » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:19 pm

The only possible way I'd ever vote for Hillary is if she blew Bill on live video.
With DNA test to prove it.

But then I'd vote for her.

Honest.
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:44 pm

SED wrote:The only possible way I'd ever vote for Hillary is if she blew Bill on live video.
With DNA test to prove it.

But then I'd vote for her.

Honest.
Isn't this all a little too soon?

We can wait for the video on You Tube and the test.

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Post by Steven bradford » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:51 pm

Personally, I want to see Hillary Clinton become president, because then there will be an aircraft carrier named after her one day and that would so deliciously make so many people blow a gasket.

Seriously though. The republicans never worried about nominating divisive candidates who lots of people loathed, and look where it got them.

Nominating the least objectionable candidate hasn't gotten the Dems very far the last two presidential elections, has it?
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Post by EvilDustBooger » Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:48 am

Steven bradford wrote: Nominating the least objectionable candidate hasn't gotten the Dems very far the last two presidential elections, has it?
Exactly.
Republicans stood up and made more forceful, convincing arguments
about the "war" that they crafted to aid in winning the `04 presidential election.
The `04 election was all about war and terrorism, and unfortunately the `08 elections will be too.
In order to win, a candidate will have to convince voters that he/she has the best plan of action to proceed with in Iraq and Afghanistan.

...and the terrible part is: There is no best plan of action.

We are politically hog-tied now in the countries we occupy, and are totally dependent on some indigenous warlord/leaders to step up to enforce our faulty mandates.

That means whoever wins will then probably be the one with the bigger line of bullshit to spread.

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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:58 pm

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All of you are hoping for too much.

you are all assuming that you all will have a vote in 2008.

Bush will impose Marshal law first before he releases power.

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Post by BAS » Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:35 pm

Can't we just moon 'em and run?!?
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Post by Archantael » Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:37 pm

Bush won't declare martial law until he has some crony set off a nuke somewhere. He's got to have Congress and the American People (TM) in his back pocket before he can go that far. (Think 9/11, part 2, this time with less mistakes)

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Post by diane o'thirst » Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:09 am

We've already come close to the "Bush declaring martial law" possibility...I was watching the hell out of the recent elections and you bet I'm going to be watching the living daylights out of him from October 2008 to January 2009. I am <i>not</i> taking his handing over power for granted for a second.

Onward.

The one thing that encourages me about Hillary is that she is resoundingly pro-child, which means schools will get funding ten ways to Sunday. It's not quite the "It will be a great day..." scenario but it will be a step in that direction. And to balance, there's one thing that I'm seriously concerned about:

Whitewater.

That was more on Hillary's shoulder than on her husband's...and you can bet your bottom dollar that it's going to be trotted out and held up during the campaign if she gets the nomination. Or even if she doesn't. She knows that's coming, and she's running anyway. That's worth a Gumption point in my book.

As for what the Muslim world will think of a woman President...let them drink tea and piss up a camel rope. They don't run this country, they aren't voting, it ain't their call. If we want to go into this, consider: Barack Obama's father was a <i>lapsed</i> and non-practicing Muslim. In the eyes of some hardline and radical Muslims, that's even worse: he'd be viewed as the son of an apostate. Apostasy is punishable by death under Sharia. If we go with either Hillary or Barack, there'll be someone Over There that'll have cause to complain.

Now. Discussion of the GOP.

Let's assume that Rudy Giuliani gets the nomination. I hold no illusions that if he got the Oval Office he wouldn't stop the war. He'd get us in deeper but the good news is he'd pull us out of this Iraq boondoggle, give Iran a pass (if indeed that's still an option by 2009), and take us back to Afghanistan (which we never should have left). If Rudy got in, I'd bet he'd have OBL's liver and lights on a silver platter and his ashes in a brown paper bag by the end of his first year in office.

This isn't to say I support his bid. Sure, I'd like to see Osama's skin flapping under Old Glory at Ground Zero, but that's not what the President of the United States should do. The President has to lead the country and leadership of a country doesn't begin and end with waxing one guy and his buddies.

Here's what I'd like to see:

The President gets in. Whoever it is.

The President delegates to military top brass to get together a special-ops cadre of hand-picked, crackerjack personnel. Train and equip the hell out of them, and send them out with the directive "Bring me the heads of Osama Bin Ladin and his deputies in Al Qaeda. Mullah Omar's is optional but extra points if you do."

Pull the troops — especially the National Guard — out of Iraq and/or Iran. Secure our borders and ports, and at this point the President tucks in to getting this country back on its feet. Rebuild New Orleans, subsidies to the dirt farmers to grow crops for biofuels, close the tax loopholes and fine the hell out of companies that outsource American jobs overseas, free basic health care for everyone in the country and get busy teaching our illiterate fifteen percent to read so we can compete in a global market. Japan and Thailand did it, we definitely can.
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Post by EvilDustBooger » Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:35 am

Good stuff Diane. Thanks for your opinions.
diane o'thirst wrote:Pull the troops — especially the National Guard — out of Iraq and/or Iran. Secure our borders and ports, and at this point the President tucks in to getting this country back on its feet. Rebuild New Orleans, subsidies to the dirt farmers to grow crops for biofuels, close the tax loopholes and fine the hell out of companies that outsource American jobs overseas, free basic health care for everyone in the country and get busy teaching our illiterate fifteen percent to read so we can compete in a global market. Japan and Thailand did it, we definitely can.
You`ve got MY vote.
If someone could step up with a plan to accomplish this they would take the elections by a landslide.
Unfortunately with the thousands of American lives already spent in Iraq; National pride dictates that we NEVER leave until we can declare some sort of "victory" in Babylon.
And that, my dear candidate, is going to be difficult, if not impossible, if not Armageddon...

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Post by joel the ornery » Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:47 am

diane o'thirst wrote:The President delegates to military top brass to get together a special-ops cadre of hand-picked, crackerjack personnel. Train and equip the hell out of them, and send them out with the directive "Bring me the heads of Osama Bin Ladin and his deputies in Al Qaeda. Mullah Omar's is optional but extra points if you do."
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Post by diane o'thirst » Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:14 am

EvilDustBooger wrote: Unfortunately with the thousands of American lives already spent in Iraq; National pride dictates that we NEVER leave until we can declare some sort of "victory" in Babylon.
I'd consider Saddam's execution to be victory.
We're done, let's get out of there.
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Post by Archantael » Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:34 am

Sidetrack....I'm not sure that rebuilding New Orleans is a good idea even if we pull the troops out and spend those funds elsewhere.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/conten ... _archive01

The Atchafalaya River will win despite the best efforts of the Corps of Engineers, and considering their efforts so far to "save" New Orleans I'm skeptical. IMHO either the US goes all out to rebuild it right or we pack it up and build a new city elsewhere.

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Post by diane o'thirst » Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:50 am

We got into this a year and a half ago. I got sniped by fucking Observer for it...

What I was suggesting is that we let Lake Pontchartrain and the Atchafalaya River have their way and rebuild New Orleans as a floating city. Expensive? Absolutely. Less expensive than rebuilding it again in 15 years.
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Post by BAS » Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:23 pm

I want Diane as President!

Those plans sound much better than anything anyone running has said so far! (Dunno about New Orleans as a floating city, but it would certainly be better than what's being done now, which is precious little as far as I can tell!)


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Post by diane o'thirst » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:10 pm

I can't be President, I'm an Independent! Image Besides, I'd be more controversial than Bush, I'm not afraid to look Falwell in the eye and tell him to take a hike in so many words. The Xtian Right would assassinate me before my first year in office was up...

I don't want to be the Prez. I'd have much more fun being an Eminence Grise. Image
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:42 pm

I have fantasies about Nancy Pelosi becoming president, and I'm not talking about an election. ;)

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Post by joel the ornery » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:45 pm

I have fantasies about Nancy Pelosi becoming my sex slave.

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Post by cowboyangel » Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:55 pm

you'd like her she has big boobs, but sorry pal, she'd be the dominating one.
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Post by EvilDustBooger » Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:19 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:I have fantasies about Nancy Pelosi becoming president, and I'm not talking about an election. ;)
A graduate of Guy Faulkes Political Finishing School, eh?









I have fantasies about Nancy Pelosi becoming my sex slave.
you'd like her she has big boobs, but sorry pal, she'd be the dominating one.
OK you wankers. Zip em up.
I`m sure Nancy would run if she knew you were behind her.

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Post by Archantael » Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:28 am

You can have Nancy, her daughter Alexandra on the other hand is another story entirely.

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