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Boston Burner needs YOUR Help Re: TBS Marketing Snafu

Post by emily sparkle » Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:24 am

Sean Stevens is a longtime member of the Boston Burner community. He was at my wedding on the playa in '05 and is a friend of mine. He's tangled up in a mess created by Turner Broadcasting System. Turner and the city of Boston have settled, but they're leaving Sean and Peter to flap in the wind. Read below from a mutual friend's blog and make calls if you feel they're getting a bum rap.

I do.

Peter and Sean need your help. Yes, you.

On a mailing list someone wrote:

Our good friends are still in real and serious danger.

This hit home — again — when I read the AP news article sent around on the same list.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/ ... evices.php

I hadn’t made any phone calls since I live in Providence, but the article – dated today – made me do it. So I just called the attorney general, the mayor and the governor. My main question to them was: the two were arrested (more or less) before Turner made their statement; Turner has since taken the blame and a settlement has been reached; Mayor Menino said pretty definitively that Turner/Interference was the culprit; Peter and Sean are contractors twice removed. So why are they still on the hook, but more importantly, why has there been no public statement as to their fate? Will their prosecution just quietly go on its merry way, regardless of the above? That doesn’t make sense to me.

The phrasing was different, but this is the gist. I was pleasantly surprised by their taking my comments seriously and courteously, even though I am not part of their voter base. So make your calls, y’all, regardless of where you live, and ask that the charges against Peter Berdovsky and Sean Stevens be publicly dropped.

Attorney General Martha Coakley: (617) 727-2200
Mayor Thomas Menino: (617) 635-4500
Governor Deval Patrick: (617) 725-4005
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Post by Ron » Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:31 am

Calls away. I knew my burndar went off when I saw these guy's, "press conference,"...

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Post by Archantael » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:06 am

Calls made. The mayor's office was kinda rude and the AG dumps you to X1700 and a phone mail inbox. The Governor's office was the friendliest of the bunch to speak to.

I'll forward the core info along and get a few more calls coming in.

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Post by fromMA » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:09 am

Will be glad to do......as always its the "little guy" who is hung out to dry. I wish this whole fuckup would go in the dustbin of history.

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Post by emily sparkle » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:23 pm

thanks you guys. Sean's a really great guy and an amazing artist. the city of Boston went WAY too far with this and I'm pissed at TBS for not insisting their pardon be part of the deal.

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Post by helitack » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:29 pm

Leaves me wondering what the first bomb squad tech was feeling in his/her head when forced to remove/detonate this "art". How about the transportation employees that found this "art" placed in locations that could be seen as placement for an IED. Just wondering...

...then this:
"BOSTON: One of the men criminally charged after placing blinking cartoon advertisements around the city and causing a terrorism scare videotaped a police bomb squad removing one of the devices, but did not tell the officers the object was harmless.

Surveillance cameras caught 27-year-old Peter Berdovsky videotaping officers removing what they thought was a possible bomb last week."

If this person placed this "art", then observes and videotapes an LE response to this "art", does not this person have the personal responsibility to inform the bomb squad that he placed or assisted in the placement and that the device is harmless? Would that not have gone a long way in clearing the matter up no matter who was paying for their service? As someone who has had to deal with similar situations in the past, my sympathy/assistance meter close to zero at this point.
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Post by mdmf007 » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:42 pm

Looks to be a shitty situation.

The devices were placed in position that would be consistent with the placement of a bomb. i.e. subways, bridges, tunnels, buildings - places where people congregate. The obvious electronics and clandestine nature of the objects make them look suspicious - IED's are nothing to toy with. We have robots we send in and can only see so much from the little cameras. If it is in a shitty position (stuck to a beam high off ground) we will use a PAN disruptor to blast a stream of water through it ripping it to pieces and hopefully preventing detonation.

On the other hand it was a marketing plan - that worked really well mind you. Got worldwide attention for a couple of hundred grand at most. I had never even heard of Aqua Teen; now I plan on seeing the movie.
had they simply put "AQUA TEEN" in lights then it could have been seen as what it was - a marketing plan gone awry.

Boston PD is trying to save face, but the two guys attitudes at the interview was not the right way to handle the situation. They should have gotten on top of it and said "sorry, never intended this response" it would have blown over, but to come out and talk about hair styles from the 70's??? WTF - their attitudes are probably going to get them jail time.

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Post by emily sparkle » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:10 pm

i agree the press conference was handled with an attitude that is likely to bite them in the butt. i'm not sure how i would handle media continuing to fire questions at me when i had already told them my lawyers had advised me not to comment on the case. i might be glib, too. not sure. i think the whole situation must have been so surreal.

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Post by Archantael » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:00 pm

I've watched the press conferences, read the stories, yadda, yadda, yadda. I still feel that making the calls was the right thing to do. Hopefully they will get top notch legal representation and in the end the charges won't stick.

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Post by mdmf007 » Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:17 pm

I am sure TBS will offer no support either and will leave them out in the cold - even though I am sure TBS pushed for something dramatic, and authorized it.
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Post by Toolmaker » Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:21 am

Called all 3 with my "radio dj" voice. Nobody wanted to comment on the air as to why these two poor guys are still being persecuted. Many time during my calls I was routed to voice mail boxes so I left messages telling them that this was a very bad precedent to set for America. I advised them that without artists there would be no art. I also told them that if artists are not permitted to ply their trade that we would no longer have the movies and television they enjoy. I recommended that they snag a copy of Pravda to see what kind of future they are working towards. I heard on the news here in FL that the charges were dropped. I recommend that phone mobbing be implemented to flood the offices to have maximum effect. If many folks simultaneously flood their phones with their concerns than they may change their mind and let them off the hook. I suggest we try to organize and I have set up a voice conference that holds 30 people for this purpose. Any who whis to take part in protest of this heinous crime against art can PM me to work out details.

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Post by fromMA » Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:27 am

While I agree that the "press conference" was unfortunate, and the 2 artists were in a position to stop the madness earlier than 3 in the afternoon, I still am very bothered that these 2 are taking the brunt of the blame for TBS and the marketing company.....I cant believe the 2 company's didnt follow the news all day long. The point is, they were able to pay $2mill to make it all go away and these two artists got paid $300 to twist in the wind after it was over. I would think at least, the marketing company has a moral obligation to at least support the artists. As an aside, I read yesterday that the show hasnt attracted a larger audience since the fiasco.

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Post by Zhust » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:09 pm

fromMA wrote:"press conference" was unfortunate
Are you kidding me? The only thing that is "unfortunate" -- or rather, "horrifically sad beyond imagination" -- is that the press keeps referring to them as "artists" who "caused panic" by putting up "boxes with blinking lights on them" rather than as "TBS contractors" who put up "lighted advertising depicting a cartoon character" that the police confused with a red-alert level terror attack.

Since the "press" is only interested in spreading BushCo terror, they use nebulous phrases to make it seem like these guys snuck around and set up things that looked like bombs you might have seen in such movies as "Die Hard". At least the same devices around L.A. were treated as advertising.

Further, I learned that Boston is another place to avoid visiting because of their hyper-sensitive, stupid police.
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Post by The CO » Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:00 pm

Jay raises an intersting point... Did the two guys in boston actually create these things, or just hang them up? Still sucks to be them right now.
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Post by mdmf007 » Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:16 pm

Good Point - these items were hung in many cities, for weeks mind you, and either taken doen by regular cleaning cres. or by citizens who have them as tokens.

A buddy of mine said Washington DOT has three of them in their maintenance facility in Seattle, happily giving the bird every night.

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Post by Zhust » Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:24 pm

The events in Boston surrounding this is the kind of thing rubs me entirely the wrong way -- exactly the same wrong way as how censorship is implemented in America.

Ok, so with censorship it's like this: the Federal Communications Commission has rules where a broadcaster can be fined if a broadcast event offends the community standards. Now, "community standards" are not explicitly defined, and are theoretically measured when people who received the broadcast report that it offended them. In practice, it depends on complaints and on the judgment of FCC officials -- my standards include never making ad hominem arguments yet, to be blunt, nobody will ever be fined because it doesn't have to do with seeing boobies on TV.

So what happens is the broadcasters are saddled with deciding which content is appropriate and which is not. If you work for a large network, they can absorb some fines, but why would they not pass the punishment onto the person responsible for the "offensive" content? In the college radio station where I'm part of a talk-radio show, the on-air DJ is responsible for the time-delay "dump" button -- any fines would bankrupt the station so the DJ is saddled with full responsibility.

In the end, any DJ (or TV show editor, etc.) not wanting to get hit with a $250,000 fine for some arbitrary reason will be absolutely overzealous in their censorship of materials played on the air. Although there is "no censorship of free speech in America", well, there is.

Now we have a new "community standard": terror.

The effects of somebody being frightened is in the hands of the people creating arbitrary artwork. They are held responsible for the viewer's perception.

So where does that leave us? Not safer, that's for sure -- I mean, if you have heard about bombings in Iraq, the idea is to make a bomb that looks as commonplace as possible -- but it does leave us more terrified.

Creators are now afraid to create. People are even more scared of things that are new and unusual.

What we need to find bombs is intelligent investigation. A bomb isn't going to be marked with bright, blinking lights. It's going to look just like things we see every day and ignore -- trucks with roving billboards, or the bins for those free apartment guides.

Artists are out to surprise people and keep them alive. Terrorists are out to surprise people and kill them. The difference is in the killing.

But I'm going a long way in one direction to make a comment in another.

If these guys did not plant bombs -- did not intend to kill people -- then they are not terrorists. They not guilty of any crimes. In whatever manner they choose to conduct themselves, that is their right. To say they should have "behaved better at their press conference" only serves to take those rights away.

I am very pleased to see they stood their ground and made a mockery of the system that attempted to terrorize them by charging them with being terrorists.
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Post by MikeVDS » Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:36 pm

The whole situation is ridiculous. The idiots in the situation, who way over reacted and should have known better, seem to be the Boston authorities, yet everyone else takes the blame?

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Post by K-mom » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:14 pm

Yet not everyone else is taking the blame.
The blame seems to have been shrugged off by everyone other than a couple of contracted artists.
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Post by MikeVDS » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:30 am

Well... the CEO of cartoon network resigned over it.

I haven't seen anything where the guys who actually put up the signs are taking any real blame. The media doesn't count to me, I just count real fines, charges or penalties.

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Post by K-mom » Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:38 am

Forgive me, I havent followed the case beyond what was written here on these boards. I was under the impression that Turner had apologized and washed its hands without pardoning the actions of the artists it had hired, leaving them to be charged. So their charges have been lifted?
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Post by dragonfly Jafe » Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:39 am

....and Osama, if he is still alive, is laughing his turban off. The "terrorists" don't need to do anything more - they have already won. Our country is tearing itself apart trying to fight this "evil", and in doing so perpetrating 100 times as much evil, all in the name of "public good". The sheep need to constantly be reminded of the wolf, otherwise they would not stay in a herd.

Don't you feel safer now? Don't worry, the good shepard and his dog are nearby (but why does he have those funny looking shears behind his back?)
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Post by EvilDustBooger » Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:28 am

dragonfly Jafe wrote:....and Osama, now a vaporised nut-sac buried in ToraBora, is laughing in his grave. The "terrorists" don't need to do anything more - they have already won. Our country is tearing itself apart trying to fight this "evil", and in doing so perpetrating 100 times as much evil, all in the name of "public good". The sheep need to constantly be reminded of the wolf, otherwise they would not stay in a herd.

Don't you feel safer now? Don't worry, the good shepard and his dog are nearby (but why does he have those funny looking shears behind his back?)
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Post by fromMA » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:59 pm

Obviously you dont understand the seriousness of the whole thing. Maybe this will open your eyes

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1741589

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Post by dragonfly Jafe » Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:50 pm

....perhaps if every loyal citizen called in to their local police czars everytime they saw something that was unusual, or was usual but could be a hidden bomb in disquise. False alarm? Why, no officer! This is just like that nefarious plot that was uncovered by the hard working fascists of Boston! Just doing my part to thwart the "Axis of Evil" (today's version at least)....you cannot blame me for wanting to be a loyal, concerned citizen, can you?
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Post by Badger » Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:20 pm

So Emily,

You just sort of pop in here asking for support from the 'community' and leave the discussion open for folks to speculate and ruminate. I'm sort of curious what you've found out so far and also wondering why as a Board Lord you come here and ask of the group but as a habit don't contribute much to it at least not in any real public sense.

BTW, before anyone assumes I'm ragging on Emily - which is not my intent - I'll add that I think it's a fair question especially if one subscribes to the idea that community boards are often enough about give and take between members.
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Post by SED » Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:23 pm

Badger wrote:So Emily,

You just sort of pop in here asking for support from the 'community' and leave the discussion open for folks to speculate and ruminate. I'm sort of curious what you've found out so far and also wondering why as a Board Lord you come here and ask of the group but as a habit don't contribute much to it at least not in any real public sense.

BTW, before anyone assumes I'm ragging on Emily I'll add that I think it's a fair question - especially if one subscibes to the idea that community boards are often enough about give and take.


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Post by mdmf007 » Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:14 pm

Kinda curius myself??????? So whats the scoop
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Post by Bob » Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:20 pm

It was just a friendly announcement. Either you think the guys are worth your effort or not.
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Post by Toolmaker » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:03 pm

Not one PM regarding my idea to show disgust as to why these artists are still getting the shaft. Guess nobody cares about artists enough to do more than make a post on a BBS. I have called the numbers daily at least 4 times a day. A group of people flooding their phones with concern will have more of an effect to get the charges dropped. Having the phone ring off the hook with only calls referenceing this will show public support of artists. Without folks actually gettin off their arse and doing something this will set a BAD precedent. I am shutting down the conferance tonight, seems it was just a waste of money.
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Post by gyre » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:29 pm

What's the current news?
I thought the charges were dropped?

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