Questions about illegal drugs at BM.

The Professor · Post by **The Professor** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:40 pm

That works out great. I used to dancer for nambla events.

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:41 am

Hi, welcome to eplaya. To answer your question if the LEO (law enforcement officers) see or smell an illegal activity they go to work and they can be very agressive. For example passing a joint or a bowl on the playa where you can be seen is not a good idea. But... back in the day... walking down Sunset Blvd I yelled out.. anyone got any drugs. This guy walks up and says "stick out your tongue" best fucking acid I ever had...That was 1967 or 1997 on the playa...can't seem to remember which. See ya in August.

The Professor wrote:I am a nube to the burning man and hope to enjoy and participate in the experience that you all rave about. Though enforcement and non-tolerence policies about illegal drugs are quite clear I'm sure that it still goes on. Can you guys answer honestly about the level of enforcement and impact of drugs on the BM.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:00 pm

Thanks.

Really nice reinforcement of outsider's stereotyped perceptions of us and the event.

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:09 pm

OUTSIDER?? Humm, what kinda club is this anyway. Dude, I love reading your posts, but you got room for me too, don't you? Smile and we all smile. and for that matter maybe you need to relax, spark a fatty and kick it.

I hope no one chooses to attack me for my lifestyle choice, but I do try what I can to get by in the often rough and tumble world. I have tried the IChing, Yoga, meditation...then I say fuck it, break out a twelve pack and fire up a bong rip that lights me up. I am sure no one is really interested in this, and since this year I turn 58 4 days after the burn, it don't really matter much to me.

love peace and stop war

Badger wrote:Thanks.

Really nice reinforcement of outsider's stereotyped perceptions of us and the event.

Teo del Fuego · Post by **Teo del Fuego** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:25 pm

The Professor wrote:My heaven takes place somewhere between the flintstones and jetsons.

Nice.....may I quote you on that? Oh, just did.

The Professor · Post by **The Professor** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:04 pm

Thanks for the perspective wedeliver. All i can hope is that the spirit of that era will one day merge with the modern age. I have never understood why psycho-actives which can be taken safley are lumped with the most damaging and addictive substances on earth. All i can hope is that history will remember this time as ludacris: when people killed each other and limited each others freedom.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:20 am

I hear there are drugs in reno.

Burning man is one of the few places where no one needs any drugs.
They just slow you down.
You don't need any excuses there for having fun.

Now when you get back to Reality Camp?

SpaceCowboy · Post by **SpaceCowboy** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:04 am

Hey WEDELIVER,

I will be 58 3 days before BM. Sounds like we should get together and celebrate our birthdays. Pop a top take a toke! Doesn't get better than that.

mojo · Post by **mojo** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:14 am

I'm with Badger.

You guys spouting this stuff on a public board that is monitored by the LEOs is exactly why there are so many narcs running around on the playa.

Do whatever you do and have a great time - but do you HAVE to brag about it? It's like saying to the cops, please bring in more undercover narcs, please be ready with your night vision equipment to peer into my camp, please give me an expensive ticket - and while you are at it, do the same to all my neighbors please.

Dork · Post by **Dork** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:47 am

mojo wrote:I'm with Badger.

You guys spouting this stuff on a public board that is monitored by the LEOs is exactly why there are so many narcs running around on the playa.

When did the whole "we're being watched by LEOs!" thing become a fact? I've seen it bandied about here, but somehow I doubt any agents are basing their decision of whether to go to BM on what they read here. The stereotypes and arrest records are already out there. Admitting to a serious crime or telling someone else how to commit one is one thing, but I haven't seen any of that in this thread.

SpaceCowboy · Post by **SpaceCowboy** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:48 am

Mojo,

Point well taken.

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:58 am

Dork, the board has actually had active LEO's post in some of the threads over the years. BR Lover is one that comes to mind...I'm sure a few people could suggest other names.

Dork · Post by **Dork** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:06 am

I don't see any posts with that name. In any case, while I'm sure someone who works as a LEO may occasionally wander in I just don't see anything worthy of an elaborate sting in this thread.

mojo · Post by **mojo** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:23 am

I know I did not use the term "elaborate sting". I do know, however, that e-playa is used by persons that provide law enforcement on the playa. I have personally spoken with one LEO that specifically mentioned reading this board, and "understanding the community better" as a result.

I have met persons on the playa that have been ticketed (on Sunday, immediately prior to the opening of the event) following use of night vision cameras INTO his camp, watching him light a joint.

I have on at least two occasions had narcs in my camp asking if I had or want any drugs.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:32 am

This is a public board and search engines pull up things right out of it.

Under the "patriot" act public groups and meetings are legal to spy on now, so someone may be paid to be here.
Spying on the public worked out so well in the 70s.
That was the period when the government considered a plan to use terrorism against us citizens as an excuse for a war.
I wouldn't believe it if it wasn't in the history books now.

Hard to believe we win anything with that brain power at work.

At least all we have to worry about now is lite-brites and islamic reaction to the reagan/bush actions.
How long can that last?

mojo · Post by **mojo** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:36 am

I think Badger's point is more along the lines that this is the kind of conversation that makes an unfortunate connection between Burning Man and drugs.

How could we think that people who are paid to keep the Nevada Desert free of illegal substances would not read the drug related chatter presented here?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:40 am

gyre wrote:At least all we have to worry about now is lite-brites and

obscene cds!!! (sorry for the cross posting)

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:42 am

Of course, all the big drug runs in the nevada area start during the middle of burning man.

Everyone sees the publicity about law enforcement at burning man.

EvilDustBooger · Post by **EvilDustBooger** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:46 am

I see mojo`s point that it isn`t a good idea to be an idiot and draw attention to yourself or incriminate yourself online with details .
But I`m kind of with Dork on this one.
I don`t think it would be fruitful or efficient enough for LEOs to troll BM threads for drug users.
And my guess is, that BM, being known as somewhat of a counter-culture event, will draw LEOs by right of the huge raucus thing that it is.
The LEOs will be assigned according to resources available, and the officers will no doubt fill their quotas to have something to show in the reports. LEO presence at BM is a given. And so is drug/alcohol use. The key to either I think is using common sense and restraint when it comes to your mind altering activities... as you would at home, but surely on a camping trip at a large event, in an extreme environment around crowds of complete strangers...don`t be a fool.

...and if you are a fool, I understand it will cost you a quick trip to the local pokey and $250 for starters; depending on how BIG of a fool you were.

.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:49 am

How many other people pass legal cigarettes around out there just to add chaff to night vision and infra red?

mojo · Post by **mojo** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:51 am

Dork,

I'm sorry if I sound all rabid about this issue. I don't like having narcs come in to my camp trying to goad someone into playing with them. I don't like having people looking into my camp with night vision gear. I didn't like it when we were stopped on the playa last year by an LEO because my husband was trying to light his cigar in the wind and had therefore pulled his coat up to shelter it (apparently it looked suspicious.)

Maybe it won't make a difference if we don't brag about drug use on this board. But I have to hope that it will at least not encourage people to come to the festival to get high.

Dork · Post by **Dork** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:33 pm

mojo wrote:But I have to hope that it will at least not encourage people to come to the festival to get high.

Which is why I think we should be able to discuss this topic and dispell peoples' preconceived notions instead of shouting "NARC!" every time someone brings it up. It makes it seem like we have something to hide.

mojo · Post by **mojo** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:49 pm

So if we are discussing drug use at Burning Man, I don't get to say that I think bringing it up and bragging about it is sophomoric to the point of being TROLLish?

Ok, I give up.

mojo · Post by **mojo** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:51 pm

By the way, I have not shouted NARC every time anyone has brought it up. Your allusion to that is insulting and below you.

Dork · Post by **Dork** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:10 pm

I'm sorry if you were insulted, I was not trying to make this personal and I'm not speaking as a moderator. I just think we should be able to discuss these kinds of topics without someone trying to squash it by saying LEOs or lawyers are in the bushes waiting to pounce. I think a reasonable discussion can be had as long as nobody crosses over into actionable talk like accusing someone specific of a crime or helping someone commit one.

This is the "Politics and Philosophy" topic after all.

mojo · Post by **mojo** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:24 pm

I'm very confused by your response. There are several crimes being admitted in this thread...by participants...at the event.

I know that in my law office, we just can't wait to jump out of the bushes.

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:25 pm

Just say when and I will be there.. with bells on!! It will be our birthday party party. and you are right my friend, it don't get no better than that!

SpaceCowboy wrote:Hey WEDELIVER,

I will be 58 3 days before BM. Sounds like we should get together and celebrate our birthdays. Pop a top take a toke! Doesn't get better than that.

Dr. Pyro · Post by **Dr. Pyro** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:38 pm

I happen to know that cops, narcs and LEOs monitor this forum. I saw it on Reno 911!

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:53 pm

Mojo, I am sure your posts and many many others like you have been registered with the LEO's showing that there is a large anti drug group who does Burning Man without artificial stimulation,,, but mellow...it's cool, this is real people talking real stuff, not bad stuff. I don't think Dork was talking to you, he was "posting" a thought. did you get his thought.

As you suggest, perhaps you are getting a bit "rabid" (quote above), although I am sure you express the opinion of many others out there. It is so hard to discuss something really meaningful here as the ideas are missed instead it becomes a war of words. You said this, but I meant that.....

When I look over my shoulder what do you think I see? A bunch of people looking over their shoulder at me.

There are no crimes being committed here. Free speech is still ok.

Now I have a question. What does that mean, that at your "law office, we just can't wait to jump out of the bushes." or should that be another interesting thread?

Fuck that is kinda scary..

Finally, I want to say how smart you all are, I don't mean that as a bullshit thing but that all of you seem like well educated, intelligent people, something that seems to define the real burner.

I dream of the day when we can without fear smoke a joint like we drink a beer. (almost poetic) on the playa, all together now...123..

mojo wrote:I'm very confused by your response. There are several crimes being admitted in this thread...by participants...at the event.

I know that in my law office, we just can't wait to jump out of the bushes.

Teo del Fuego · Post by **Teo del Fuego** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:25 pm

seems like a whole lotta FEAR permeating this discussion...Someone really think they can get busted for a discussion of drug use, or that the LEOs have the time, energy and inclination to trace your post back to your e-mail and figure out which camp you're with and set a trap for you on the playa this summer? Wow.

Maybe we better put a wet towel under the door and burn some josh sticks.

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