A BURNING BURNER QUESTION

SpaceCowboy · Post by **SpaceCowboy** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:53 pm

The dates for this year's BM is 27 August thru 3 Sep. Just thought I would point that out.

Seriously, does this mean the gate opens at midnight Monday morning? Does it also mean you should be off the playa by midnight on 3 Sep?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:57 pm

SpaceCowboy wrote:The dates for this year's BM is 27 August thru 3 Sep. Just thought I would point that out.

Seriously, does this mean the gate opens at midnight Monday morning?

Yes. Seriously.

Does it also mean you should be off the playa by midnight on 3 Sep?

If you're there on Wednesday, you better have a damn good reason.

Now a question for you: DON'T YOU KNOW THAT ALL CAPITAL LETTER SENTENCES ARE REAL IN OUR FACE?

Blackbird · Post by **Blackbird** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:22 pm

I don't understand this thread. What is different about this year's dates?

mojo · Post by **mojo** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:57 pm

The most fun greeter shift is that one at midnight monday morning. What a party that is!

Blackbird - BM always runs from 12:00am Monday morning before Labor Day weekend through the following Monday. So each year the dates are a bit different.

Blackbird · Post by **Blackbird** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:06 pm

mojo wrote:The most fun greeter shift is that one at midnight monday morning. What a party that is!

Blackbird - BM always runs from 12:00am Monday morning before Labor Day weekend through the following Monday. So each year the dates are a bit different.

Right, I understand that, I thought that would be understood by anyone. I don't see why there is an entire thread devoted to clarification of dates, when one could just confirm by looking at the main site. . . Which is why I asked. I thought perhaps I was missing a glaringly obvious detail. That happens sometimes.

ibdave · Post by **ibdave** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:30 pm

Blackbird wrote:
mojo wrote:The most fun greeter shift is that one at midnight monday morning. What a party that is!

Blackbird - BM always runs from 12:00am Monday morning before Labor Day weekend through the following Monday. So each year the dates are a bit different.
Right, I understand that, I thought that would be understood by anyone. I don't see why there is an entire thread devoted to clarification of dates, when one could just confirm by looking at the main site. . . Which is why I asked. I thought perhaps I was missing a glaringly obvious detail. That happens sometimes.

Welcome to the weird world of the EPLAYA..

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:19 pm

Does the page say in an obvious place that it opens at 12 midnight Monday morning? I don't see it anywhere obvious. The question was what time the gates open, not the date.

SpaceCowboy · Post by **SpaceCowboy** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:02 am

Thanks Mike. I thought maybe I was losing my mind.......too late. I am still wondering about when one must be off the playa. The Fishist says you have to be off by Wednesday, that is 2 days after the end date. Does that mean I have 2 days to pack up and leave?

theCryptofishist - I was not aware of the all caps thing. However, I am now. Thanks for pointing that out. I do have one question for you. Where in the body of my orignal post is a sentence written all in CAPS? The subject is all caps but that is it. Is that also inappropriate?

God I love writing on this board. You never know where a thread is going to end up. Too funny.

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:53 am

Most people leave Monday, labor day. They really want everyone out no later than Tuesday ( or Wednesday if you're tearing down a Theme Camp)

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:21 am

What I've learned from the rangers who camp with us: Officially "they" (dunno, rangers, Bmorg, BLM?) would like us out on Monday, but don't start getting insistent until Tuesday. The BLM permits us through Monday, the terms of the permit change Tuesday as I understand it. (not that I've seen the permit or anything, this is all heresay) The fees for late campers haven't been covered by the ticket price is part of the issue I've been told. The theme camps breaking down as late as Wednesday as suppose d to have some type of permission to be there after the event closed, similar to the early arrival list.

I may be wrong, but that's the rules we personally camp by. Out on Monday, even if Exodus is a pain in the ass. And if we all stay until Tuesday, the exit would still have heavy traffic. Someone has to go. What might be convenient for us isn't necessarily what's good for relations with the BLM.

And if the drunken woman with the megaphone comes around and tells us to quit working at packing up camp, that God will provide; I'm going to smack her and ask her if God's going to pack our trailer, secure our load and do our MOOP walk. Bint. Moistened Twat!

SpaceCowboy · Post by **SpaceCowboy** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:42 am

Finally an answer I can understand. I can now plan accordingly. Thanks to all.

PurpleKoosh · Post by **PurpleKoosh** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:55 am

AntiM wrote:Moistened Twat!

Watery tarts throwing swords at you?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:01 pm

Sorry. What I meant to say (and I do come from a position of priveledge in this reguard, as for 4 out of my 5 years, I camped with the medical/fire volenteers and wasn't going to get harrassed) was that if you don't leave Monday, you better leave Tuesday. What AntiM says about the permit is right.

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:28 pm

PurpleKoosh wrote:
AntiM wrote:Moistened Twat!
Watery tarts throwing swords at you?

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:32 pm

Naughty zoot!

PurpleKoosh · Post by **PurpleKoosh** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:50 pm

A spanking! A spanking!

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:01 pm

You're nerds

Blackbird · Post by **Blackbird** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:27 pm

And then,

The oral sex!

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:29 pm

Hotel Coral Essex?

PurpleKoosh · Post by **PurpleKoosh** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:58 pm

NO ON 14!

Oh my god, I think I just scared myself.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:53 pm

Midnight is 12 p.m.
Noon is 12 a.m.
Cheap digital clocks have confused this for many.

Think it doesn't matter?
Many people missed tickets for a regional because they misunderstood the date listed.

Midnight or 12 p.m. of the 20th is midnight at the end of the 20th day.
12:00:00 p.m. day 20th Midnight
12:00:01 a.m. day 21st starts

I am not interpreting the schedule.
This is just how it works.

Blackbird · Post by **Blackbird** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:04 pm

gyre- Really, noon and midnight are neither. A.M. is ante meridem (before midday) and runs from 001-1159. P.M. is post meridiem( after midday) and is from 1201-2359.

This is why the 24 hour clock is two hundred million times better than the 12 hour.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:01 pm

Officially, days have to start somewhere .
There are a lot of things that require a time division.
All I can pull up is a lot of opinion.
Midnight belongs to one day or another.

The last time I had to use government logbooks the division was after 12:00:00.
I may be mistaken in that it may be the change occurs at 12:01:00 rather than 12:00:01.

Everything I find neatly avoids addressing the question.
USDOT and Bureau of Standards may be the ones in charge of this.

Many things require timekeeping exactly on hourly divisions.
A day doesn't end at 11:59 as digital clocks usually say.
If am or pm is used, then midnight would be pm.

It is pretty dumb to announce am or pm at 12 to the general public.
I think the ticket announcement recently said after midnight of the 5th.
The problem was people thought they meant that.
What they meant was on the 5th after midnight of the day before the 5th, tickets go on sale.
It does matter which day midnight falls on.
Since tickets were gone before morning, it mattered.
Most people think midnight is associated with the day preceding, which is correct.
My vcr says different. It is incorrect.
The sellers meant to say that when the 5th begins, sales start.
I will look for the current standard, but there must be one for many reasons.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:03 pm

Blackbird wrote:gyre- Really, noon and midnight are neither. A.M. is ante meridem (before midday) and runs from 001-1159. P.M. is post meridiem( after midday) and is from 1201-2359.

This is why the 24 hour clock is two hundred million times better than the 12 hour.

When you have used the 24 hour logbooks, where was the date change?

Blackbird · Post by **Blackbird** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:14 pm

I haven't used a 24-hour logbook, but it is my understanding midnight belongs at the beginning of the day, rather than the end of one. For example, if it is now 2300, in one hour, it will be tomorrow. If one says "Meet me at midnight on Monday" I take this to be very early Monday morning (just past Sunday), rather than late that night (almost Tuesday). Perhaps I am wrong, but this way of thinking has not yet caused me any problems, and I see it has caused problems for many others.

I also tell people "Happy Monday" one minute after 2359 on Sunday. (This applies to any day of the week. I am a very celebratory person. )

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:45 pm

I think it is a mathematical question like the reason the millennium change had to be at he end of the year 2000 rather than after only 1,999 years.
There is no hour zero, so if a day is 24 hours long, the division must be after 24 hours.
It is ultimately an arbitrary designation, but it must be linear.
I have never heard of anyone associating midnight with the next day before.
Most people consider midnight to be the end of the day, but accept the contradictory inaccuracy of cheap digital timepieces.
I'm sure the protocol was designed by the same idiots that didn't bother to include the next century in their software.

Civil time (zone time, daylight time) legally in effect at locations within the United States is
determined by the Secretary of Transportation.
(Best I can find so far)

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:58 am

I like David Best's explanation- "Burning Man starts the minute you leave the house".

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:21 am

...Burning Man ends?

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:08 am

Good point. I think I'd conclude that for most people it starts a few days into the event, once your mind adjusts, and lasts for the rest of your life.

SpaceCowboy · Post by **SpaceCowboy** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:51 am

and last for the rest of your life. I like the sound of that.

As someone who is gainfully employed by the US military (civilian), the 24 hour clock is something I was forced to learn and use. Now it is my preferred method of keeping a handle on the fourth dimension. It never leaves any doubt about morning or evening, AM or PM. 0900 is 9:00 AM. If you ask someone to meet with you at 0900 there is no doubt in the other personâ€™s mind what you mean. Then again I am a time freak. I must know at all times what is the time. First thing I am doing when I get to the playa is stash my watch in my truck and not look at until it is time to leave. But without my watch how will I know it is time to leave? What if I donâ€™t wish to leave? What if I never wish to leave? Without knowing the time does that mean there is no time and therefore I never have to leave? Shit, now see what you guys have done. What would it be like to go thru life without any concept of time? Nothing would ever start or end.

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