Looking for old Burning Man Tix!

dashquatch · Post by **dashquatch** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:32 am

Hey all of you wonderful Burners!

I'm writing a paper on the vagaries of economic fallacies of the Nineties and 00's. I'm looking for any old Burning Man Tickets from 1994-2004. If you'd be willing to part with'em, even for just a few weeks lemme know.

[email protected].

I hope to hear from you. I personally don't find anything wrong with spending lots of money to go to BM, but y'know what proffesors and their dictates are like.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:13 am

dashquatch wrote:Hey all of you wonderful Burners!

I'm writing a paper on the vagaries of economic fallacies of the Nineties and 00's. I'm looking for any old Burning Man Tickets from 1994-2004. If you'd be willing to part with'em, even for just a few weeks lemme know.

[email protected].

I hope to hear from you. I personally don't find anything wrong with spending lots of money to go to BM, but y'know what proffesors and their dictates are like.

Try google for pictures of BM tickets. Trolls usually aren't welcome here.

Teo del Fuego · Post by **Teo del Fuego** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:37 am

[quote="Toolmaker]Try google for pictures of BM tickets. Trolls usually aren't welcome here.[/quote]

How do you know this guy aint a life long Burner who has actually has a life?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:06 am

Judging by the price of other counter culture ephemera (i.e. rock show posters of the sf 60s) hold on to your ticks as art and sell them in 30 years. That person on Antiques Roadshow who unexpectedly get $1000 for something in grandma's attic, could be descended from YOU!

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:21 pm

Teo del Fuego wrote:[quote="Toolmaker]Try google for pictures of BM tickets. Trolls usually aren't welcome here.

How do you know this guy aint a life long Burner who has actually has a life?[/quote][/quote]

The fact that he doesn't know that tickets are surrendered at the gate. Trying to call BM an economic fallacy is another clue. Telling eveyone that he/she is another troll he looking for paper/news/advertising material is the final clue to that which mystifies you. Try reading their post again word for word.

Post by **AntiM** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:32 pm

I have a pair of '97 unused tickets which were gifted to me. I am not willing to part with them for any length of time. If he is a troll, pretty odd request I'd think. Ticket price info is available for all years, data is data, unless he needs primary sources, why the hard copy?

dashquatch · Post by **dashquatch** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:36 pm

I'm a lifelong burner, with 15 burnings under my belt. Can you say the same thing?

All that aside, though, I'm just trying to get ahold of a few old tix for a class presentation. I didn't surrender my tix in 2005 & 2006, and nobody said that I had to in the first place. 'Course, I did have 'em waiting for me at Will Call, so maybe's that's the reason, I don't know.

If you're just going to be rude and shitty, in response to my posts, then maybe you should learn about something called 'TACT', a social curve most people learn about when they're 9 or 10. But hey, maybe you're just slow

dashquatch · Post by **dashquatch** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:43 pm

[quote="AntiM"]I have a pair of '97 unused tickets which were gifted to me. I am not willing to part with them for any length of time. If he is a troll, pretty odd request I'd think. Ticket price info is available for all years, data is data, unless he needs primary sources, why the hard copy?[/quote]

For my class presentation, I'm supposed to have tangible, non -electronic items, i.e.; no videography, no Power Point, no computer anything, except for the printed paper.

Second; I know that all of the info is the same on the backsides of the tickets, but I was hoping to have something that I could point to, and show off. Like a college version of 'Show And Tell'.

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:05 pm

I've got all the tickets (minus the little tear off part) from every year I've been, but I just don't think I could part with 'em...

Maybe could scan and email a pic though. But I don't gather that'll fit what you need. But if it will, let me know.

Post by **mdmf007** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:28 pm

Dashquatch -
Get me images of the tickets, and I can print them on the same material original tickets are printed on. DOuble sided at that.

that should solve the problem, and your students can keep em.

later

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:35 pm

dashquatch wrote:I'm a lifelong burner, with 15 burnings under my belt. Can you say the same thing?

All that aside, though, I'm just trying to get ahold of a few old tix for a class presentation. I didn't surrender my tix in 2005 & 2006, and nobody said that I had to in the first place. 'Course, I did have 'em waiting for me at Will Call, so maybe's that's the reason, I don't know.

If you're just going to be rude and shitty, in response to my posts, then maybe you should learn about something called 'TACT', a social curve most people learn about when they're 9 or 10. But hey, maybe you're just slow

My apologies.. I didn't know you've been participating since 1991. Usually when someone comes here and with their very first post a request is made for some study of burners or a newpaper article its often to paint a bad picture of BM. Back than there were only about 100 or so participants, must have been really nice to have been there back then. Good luck with your paper.

Post by **AntiM** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:22 am

dashquatch wrote: For my class presentation, I'm supposed to have tangible, non -electronic items, i.e.; no videography, no Power Point, no computer anything, except for the printed paper.

Second; I know that all of the info is the same on the backsides of the tickets, but I was hoping to have something that I could point to, and show off. Like a college version of 'Show And Tell'.

Thank you for the explanation.

Teo del Fuego · Post by **Teo del Fuego** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:12 pm

Was I supposed to surrender my tickets at the gate? I still have mine. Somewhere. I think.

I think there are a lot of active Burners who never pop into e-playa, so I wouldn't assume everyone with a low post count is a troller.

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:03 am

Actually, they tear off the end of the ticket. You're suppose to keep the stub as proof you entered with a ticket. You have to have one if you're going to ride the bus into gerlach and back.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:44 am

Teo del Fuego wrote: I wouldn't assume everyone with a low post count is a troller.

I was flagging as a possible. I've been burned too many times.

Sorta like the man himself.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:28 pm

"Trolls usually aren't welcome here."

Oh what now, we have a trollphobic on eplaya!

I guess you just fling them around: Troll Tosser!

other than that;

I'll sell my past tickets for $300 each.

Inflation you know!

Otherwise, someone can send you digital images. I would send you some but someone else sure do so for you like, toolmaker!

AIIZ

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:34 pm

I have one "unused" ticket from BM 2003... My first year, and my friend couldn't make it.
I would only release the image though. If mdmf007 can print it for ya, I'll send it on.........

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:40 pm

mdmf007 wrote:Dashquatch -
Get me images of the tickets, and I can print them on the same material original tickets are printed on. DOuble sided at that.

that should solve the problem, and your students can keep em.

later

So is that how you get in to the event, you counterfitter you.

(hey, can I have you do that for me too for my little students?)

AIIZ

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:51 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Otherwise, someone can send you digital images. I would send you some but someone else sure do so for you like, toolmaker!

AIIZ

Care to translate? I am totally lost on that one.. I believe the first time poster than needed tickets had asked for the actual tickets. Something about the professor not wanting digital pictures used in the paper. Nice of you to offer a sale of a ticket but I think they wanted a loan of the physical ticket from a PAST burningman for fellow students to look at in a study of economic fallacy of some sort.

In less than 6 months I have been approaced by no less than a dozen people looking for material for their studies, newsarticles, papers, etc (all from eplaya). Additionally I have been asked to pay up to 4500$ for themecamp participation (all from tribe folk). You will have to forgive me if I am somewhat disgusted by commerce and those that wish to study me under a microscope.

I still stand by my original opinion.. regardless of how burnier than thou someone may or may not be.. it is kinda tasteless to come onto a forum and with your very first post start asking for stuff without having contributed to the online community at all.

Post by **mdmf007** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:46 am

LOL - NO counterfitting. Cant make the hologram, and you can tell their not real compared to the real thing. At face value though they look good though Besides I work one of volunteer groups and get in for free - HA!

If I were BM (just a thought here.) I would bar code the tickets, and scan them as they come in like every other venue in the nation. Scanners and software are free after they are returned (require a deposit from the ticket printers) just a thought.

Funny thing though about free tix ./ sneaking in, every year we come in from the Winnemucca side on Jungo / sulfur road, and cross the playa directly to the gate from the east. The number of bicycles that are trying to chase us down is awesome. Those guys come out of nowhere!!! Crossing the playa saves us about an hours worth of backtracking to get to the gate.

I see all sorts of people out there trying to sneak in from the north, and east sides. - no luck I am sure.

later all.

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:11 am

Last year I was out at the deepest point of the playa, looking back at the city and a boarder guard came up behind and scared me. We talked for a bit and he was cool. He made it sound like they had motion detectors on their vehicles.

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:48 pm

mdmf007 wrote:...If I were BM (just a thought here.) I would bar code the tickets, and scan them as they come in like every other venue in the nation. Scanners and software are free after they are returned (require a deposit from the ticket printers) just a thought. ...

My tickets do have bar code on them, both parts.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:18 pm

What do you get for $4500 from a theme camp?
Is it a big one with just a few people?

Burning Man with valet parking?

Post by **mdmf007** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:41 pm

gyre wrote:What do you get for $4500 from a theme camp?
Is it a big one with just a few people?

Burning Man with valet parking?

I really hope you get a "Happy Ending" for 4500 bucks. For real though some camps have astronomical costs. I know some bars that bring at least 40-50K in booze, gen sets arent cheap. Food, Tents, Music setups for a small concert; all cost money. I could see 4500 bucks easily per person in some camps.

Just my 2 cents though.

later

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:11 pm

gyre wrote:What do you get for $4500 from a theme camp?
Is it a big one with just a few people?

Burning Man with valet parking?

Drink tickets, one hot meal a day, place to pitch a tent, bragging rights to being part of a rave camp. Also the knowledge that you were one of 20 folks that helped gross 80k for an operation that cost 30k making someone a nice 50k profit. Seems as though the whole "gift economy" concept is lost on some folks.

I do agree with co-op camps though.. 100-500 bucks to cover expenses, food, fuels, booze, etc. But for someone that doesn't drink alcohol except for the occasional beer and glass of wine 4500 was a bit steep just to camp in the "coolest" camp. Fortunately most camps are still somewhat sensible and not out to make a profit off the event.

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:41 pm

Where the fuck did you get the 50K profit bullshit?

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:17 pm

Where the fuck did you get the 50K profit bullshit?

Are we talking about someone specific? Honestly, I wouldn't be completely surprised is something along these lines has happened. There is most definitely the opportunity for "abuse", if you want to call it that. Personally it doesn't bother me if people want to give their money to someone for something like this, and BRC does something about it if it is ever "found out".

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:24 am

helitack wrote:Where the fuck did you get the 50K profit bullshit?

mathematics..

20 ppl * 4500 = 90,000$
-10,000 (supposed cost for placement of themecamp by ORG)

80,000
-30,000 in booze and supplies for 20 ppl
-----------
50,000 dollars profit

simple enough

Heres a more detailed cost sheet since I happen to know what it really costs to make a large camp.

1500 = kick ass huge dome
500 = generator
500 = 12v batteries genny fuel and cheap xmas lights
500 = misc carpet remnants
-----------
3000 there with HIGH estimates

12000 in booze and 1 meal a day for 20 ppl
------------
15000 so far spent

I could go on and on but I really can't come up with 90,000 cost for a 20 person camp, especially when the camp supposedly has all the sound and lighting in possesion along with a bus to transport to the playa. Anyway I already confirmed it was a scammer on tribe since the person had no posts whatsoever on any BM related tribe and has since had their account removed for goddess knows what reason.

You may think 4500 bucks is a fair price to pay to camp somewhere with your own supplies in a gift environment.. feel free to do so. I however and not going to mail out a check. If you are really interested I could offer you the same scam.. I'll give ya an address to send me 4500 bucks and I promise you the unregistered themecamp will be there.. HONEST!

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:19 am

So you are getting your panties all in a wad because someone contacted from a "supposed" theme camp that posts on "tribe" and said it "takes" $10,000 to "place" the camp? That's a big load of crap. This "theme" camp wants $4500 per person to join? Well, maybe so. Are they charging people to enter the camp? Are they charging people for a drink? Which camp?
If they are charging a fee to join, before the event, the org can do nothing about that. It is up to the individual to decide if their share of a theme camp fee is way too much and profiting someone. Why don't you tell us all which camp that was.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:27 am

mdmf007 wrote:Scanners and software are free after they are returned (require a deposit from the ticket printers) just a thought.

The playa can do such a number on electronics (espeically if you don't have the option of not using in dust storms, ect) that the scanners may be in unreturnable condision...

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