Shamanism on the Playa

timburly · Post by **timburly** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:25 pm

Where did i post shamanism = excuse to use drugs? Please if its in here thow it back at me cause I'm lost as to where that came from.

Mushroom · Post by **Mushroom** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:23 am

Well not much to add that hasn't already been said... so just thought I'd throw up a site that anyone worried or interested in any particular "drug" used in any practice should look at:

http://www.erowid.org/

(this is actually the site that lead me to finding out what BM was really about... we were trying to figure out what my weed was laced with... still can't figure it out.)

Oh one more thing remember people each body handles drugs differently so take less than the normal dosage when first trying it and make sure you have a sitter.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:21 am

timburly wrote:Where did i post shamanism = excuse to use drugs? Please if its in here thow it back at me cause I'm lost as to where that came from.

Well the trend was started by the original poster on page 1 talking about mixing brews. You followed upo after that also talking about practicing with hallucinogens. The lack of related things like sweat lodges kind of kept the topic on drugs and monkeys. I think others are right on in pegging this as a druggie thread. So far nobody has wanted to get into the areas that do NOT involve mind altering substances. Sad really since there is alot to be said for natural cures, fasting, etc. Again its all down to the original poster and you tim.. check page 1. Now if someone wants to make a thread about things more along the HeeBeeGeeBee Healer I would love to read up on natural cures and fasting. So far I only know how to juice fast and I am not that confident in doing it more than 4 days.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:25 am

Even though I was trying to stay out of this topic, I'll 2nd toolmaker, tim. I think there is a lot to be learned from experiencing shamanic states, but that first post just seems like a "heh-heh" here's how we get around drug legality issues thing. I saw no attempt to talk seriously about shamanism or to attract others who were interested in anything other than under the radar drugs.

I've worked with the emergency medical people on playa and at SF Pride and it's given me a distaste for careless druguse.

skygod · Post by **skygod** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:38 pm

I can't stay away from this thread either.
It's interesting the distinction people make between drugs and medications.
Like Anna-Nicole died from overdosing on 9 "medications", but none of them were illegal so I guess it's ok.

timburly · Post by **timburly** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:08 pm

theCryptofishist wrote: I've worked with the emergency medical people on playa and at SF Pride and it's given me a distaste for careless druguse.

Have we worked together? HAHA

I was answering a question somone had regarding shamanic "brews" and I don't question that persons intent when it comes to their spiritual practice. They may be using for an excuse they may not. Thats not for me to judge.

My point is that everyone has a particular path that they follow and the way they go down that path is their own biz. And when somone makes a comment x=y it just pisses me off because your you, i'm me, he's he. We all see and do things differently.

How about we move this thread somwhere in a direction other than poo slinging at each other and monkey sex.

I learned about shamanism about 4 years ago and have been practicing the belief structure for about 3. Mostly my journeying consists of states of trance to heavy beats. Ususally this is done through simple drum beats but i can also use other forms of music. Through this i've learned to shapeshift, talk with spirits and recieve their guidence. I don't stick to any one particular practice as I take meaning from many different cultures but then alot of the basics are the same.

Anyone else?

snake · Post by **snake** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:43 pm

the healing arts? spiritualism. the power of doctoring. the gift.
not necessarily any voo-doo, native american church, etc.
but those peole that have the 'touch' the special ability to 'see'
beyond 2 or 3 dimensions?
another thread. cause this 'shaman' one is farcissical (sp).
snake

alt12 · Post by **alt12** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:22 pm

I totally understand the backlash here on the word "shamanism." Its basically a cliche at this point in time and I think most often is a way of describing use of drugs for spiritual (or not so spiritual) pursuits. Quite frankly, I have nothing against this. I think there are lot of drugs that can be used very deep spiritual insight and meaningful experiences, however that doesn't mean its shamanism. My understanding of shamanism is that it is fundementally about healing, and specifically where one person uses their altered states to heal a second party. I doubt even 1% of americans that say they are into shamanism do it for this purpose...Also, many practices that people refer to as shamanism could be called something else (mysticism and mystical traditions, etc.) but of course doesn't sound as cool as shamanism.

Secondly, on the narcs thing. Everyone should be made aware of the fact that there are absolutely 100% for sure undercover DEA agents and other law-enforcement agents in costume looking young and hip that are in fact setting-up sting (quite frankly entrapment in my opinion). I had 5 people busted in my camp a couple of years ago after a cute girl went up to a buddy of mine and asked for some pot. A whole bunch of people got busted and it was all in all a nightmare. Don't buy,sell,trade drugs at BM unless you have a relationship with the person outside of BM...

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:28 pm

When they ask just tell them there are drugs in reno.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:15 am

gyre wrote:When they ask just tell them there are drugs in reno.

My favorites are to tell them..

1) My armpit sweat is like a drug wanna taste?

2) Sex is the only drug I have for you wanna see my junk?

3) I'm undercover with the Black Rock Rangers, I will have to escort you out of the event now.

4) I'm muslim and only get high on JP4, got any?

5) I'm a geek and only get high on caffeine, got any redbull or bawls?

6) Ich bin auslander nein spreichen zie english (sp?)

7) No habla english.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:03 am

somewilliepete wrote:Is there any Shaman camps on the Playa that I can join where I can offer help and services? Is there any rules against Shaman "brews" and giving them away to participants?

What ever happened to this fellow?

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:45 am

I've had people think I'm a cop because I ask before I enter someone's tent.
Is it more polite to not ask under these circumstances?
I just laugh.

Sync · Post by **Sync** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:49 pm

Finished my dissertation on personality traits and frequent ayahuasca drinkers in north america this year, met a lot of shamanic practitioners and sham-anic ones as well, and of course lots of individuals that have made plants of various kinds part of their spiritual practices.

In 05 there was a camp of ayahuasca drinkers on the playa. Although obviously available, no one actually partook of the sacred tea while there. Thing was, everyone found that although it was a great recreational and in many ways personally transformational environment, BM is not the kind of environment energeticaly in which one would want to bo serious shamanic work.

Shamanism is actually a very conservative and traditional, responsible and stable practice, individual practitioners not withstanding. True shamanic circles require a lot of preperation, deep personal bonds and understanding of the nature of the individual's current path and goals, and the ability to create a circle in which there will be no outside intrusions to people's time between the worlds. In true shamanic work there is also long term follow-through and support from the community of the circle.

Don't get me wrong, you could have a great experience at BM with any random group you could pull together. But IMHO, it's not an ideal environment to try to set up actual shamanic work

skygod · Post by **skygod** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:09 pm

Sync wrote: True shamanic circles require deep personal bonds and understanding of the nature of the individual's current path and goals,

Aren't those the same traits as those of a true friend?

Shamanism on the Playa

perhaps another thread for those that want to explore

"shamanism = drug use" and narcs, etc.

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