Single women and creep factor

CAXAP · Post by **CAXAP** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:21 am

I am wandering how to be safe in a mass of thousands of men who's perceprtion of fraternal love may get scewed under influence of some substances and liquids, emotional and graphic experiences ,nudity etc.
I have already heard of date rapes. What to do?

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:40 am

What're you wearing right now?

BoxaRox · Post by **BoxaRox** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:48 am

You are doomed.

Don't go.

Glittering Clitoris · Post by **Glittering Clitoris** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:13 pm

I would bring a friend along.

Threesomes can alot of fun!

CAXAP · Post by **CAXAP** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:43 pm

I will go . Just to show what i am wearing.And learn what is the mistery behind the:"Threesomes can alot of fun".

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:16 pm

The women are more dangerous than the men.

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:39 pm

CAXAP wrote:I am wandering how to be safe in a mass of thousands of men who's perceprtion of fraternal love may get scewed under influence of some substances and liquids, emotional and graphic experiences ,nudity etc.
I have already heard of date rapes. What to do?

Don't leave your house. Hopefully NOT but someone down the street could be sitting there getting drunk and watching porn and is more of a threat to your safety than people at an event who usually have to spend lots of their own money, take time off from work to get there, drive 100 to 2000 miles or more just to get to the gate, and are surrounded by 39,000 others who for the most part will not babysit someone who doesn't look out for themselves and utilizes basic common sense but will help out if someone gets in trouble.

It's not utopia but you're safer at BRC than a lot of other places you could be, IMHO.

Edit: My g/f read my rant and said it like this: It could happen anywhere.
Edit 2: That being said...if you have your wits about you...you can seriously decrease the odds of it happening to you, regardless of where you are. Life is about taking risks...you can't live in fear.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:51 pm

CAXAP wrote:I am wandering how to be safe in a mass of thousands of men who's perceprtion of fraternal love may get scewed under influence of some substances and liquids, emotional and graphic experiences ,nudity etc.

You statement seems a bit confusing.

Are you intenting to use drugs so you may screw thousands of man who have a perception of fraternal love with all your emotion and graphic experiences using your nude prime body to entice them?

then I'm going first Bob. YOu can date her on tuesday and maybe we can hook up with G. Clitorus later in the week for a foursome. Don't mind K4, he's well intentioned person, but sometimes a little bit on the serious side.

Burning Man, can'cha feel the Love!

AIIZ

dj_john69 · Post by **dj_john69** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:46 pm

stay at home..you'll be safe there.

Mister Jellyfish Mister · Post by **Mister Jellyfish Mister** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:52 pm

I just can't make it with a woman in a rented costume.

K-mom · Post by **K-mom** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:32 pm

Oh, and just don't forget to stick your ticket in your back pocket before you head out wandering.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:14 am

Mister Jellyfish Mister wrote:I just can't make it with a woman in a rented costume.

Yeh, but I bet the ones from the cheap dime stores are a turn on!

robbidobbs · Post by **robbidobbs** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:50 am

Go naked and carry a big megaphone.

gaminwench · Post by **gaminwench** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:26 am

in seven years, only one 'creep' issue, and i run around alone on the playa at all hours,dressed in as little as the weather will allow. He followed me from 6:00 out to the Emerald city hoping for who knows what...i finally told him i was doing the Solo experience and he was negatively affecting my ability to do so; he apologized and disappeared - turns out he's in the camp next door, he felt bad all week long! Don't flirt if you don't mean it, and don't go to Center Cafe topless - the yahoos with cameras seem to congregate there. Stay on top of your own 'intake'...if you can't protect yourself, don't go out alone (just like anywhere else). And, in the event of a nasty confrontation, scream like hell and kick for the soft parts!!!

Green Wood · Post by **Green Wood** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:39 am

Some of the single women i've met have that creep factor.

But most of them are well behaved and exhibited good table manners.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:29 am

CAXAP wrote:I am wandering how to be safe in a mass of thousands of men who's perceprtion of fraternal love may get scewed under influence of some substances and liquids, emotional and graphic experiences ,nudity etc.
I have already heard of date rapes. What to do?

What to do? Be thankful that many are married and/or attached in some way. Be thankful many more are gay and not even remotely interested. You probably shouldn't attend, rent the DVD and you will have a much better time.

Ron · Post by **Ron** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:21 am

My goodness, if everyone who was afraid of something at the burn didn't go it would be a much less vibrant place, IMHO.

My first bit of advice for you, Caxap, would be to ignore everyone telling you both not to go and that BRC is much safer than any other place on earth. Both are bits of B.S. IMHO. If you want to go look at your fear as a chance to learn something about both yourself and the event and the naysayers certainly do represent a part of the Burn. The playa is, and always has been, full of fools who think they know better than you and are willing to yell their "wisdom," at you through bullhorns, over the eplaya, or just with their own playa encrusted lungs. Personally this kind of egotistical and assholish behavior is my least favorite part of the burn, but it is there and will likely be more of a problem than anyone trying to sexually assault you.

Having said that, as you would expect in any given town of +30K, where lots of drugs are consumed and lots of young folk are wandering around under the influence, there are problems with rape, in all it's various forms. Over the years I've gone we've had to drag unknown, masturbating, men from various women's tents, ask guys to put their johnsons' away while they walk through our camp, and even deliver a beating onto one guy who didn't want to take no for an answer. But those same kind of things happen outside of BRC all the time and if you've got the skills to go to an allnight dance party in your home city you've got the skills to make it through a night at the burn.

Keep youself aware of your surroundings, don't take consumable gifts from strangers, watch your own water/liquid supply to make sure it doesn't grow any additives, walk around at night with friends, and mostly just give yourself permission to take care of yourself. There are a few other threads on this topic you can find if you search around and lots of web pages with all kinds of rape safety suggetions on line. Search around and take a look, learn what you need to learn, and do what is best for yourself.

Ron

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:32 am

There is a group, Bureau of Erotic Discourse that are trying to deal with the problem in a sex-positive way. They will be giving seminars (beginning level one hour only, alas), almost certainly at the Eplaya Bar Camp: Booby Bar. They also pass out buttons and post messages in the portapotties. Some great people there: Regyna Longlanks, Gigi Dog Bites, Dr. Placebo, and Joseph Pred for beginners.
There are also various women only spaces.
The Rape Crises team part of the Emergency Services Department are professional and dedicated.
Rape, sexual harassment and domestic violence exist on playa. They exist anywhere.
Carry a whistle.
Follow your gut when it tells you things aren't right.
Get yourself a child's sippy cup with a lid and drink out of that so no one slips you a Mickey.
Be careful about accepting food.
Find trustworthy people to go with--and if it turns out they aren't trustworthy, know that the Rangers and just about anyone else you meet on-playa will do there damnest to help you out of a tough spot and try and ensure that the rest of your experience is spectacular.

BRC is a place of a lot of risks--some reasonable, some stupid. Everybody is in "holiday mode" which tends to bring out the best in people. Of course, creeps go on holidays too.

You probably already have a set of survival behaviors. You don't have to leave them behind.

Old saying, I forget from whom. "Ships in harbor are safe; that's not what ships are made for."

Make the choices that are right for you--that will lead to the most happiness.

MrMullen · Post by **MrMullen** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:30 pm

If you get around the right people, Burningman can be a sex positive event. If you don't want sex, get around the right people and it can get a great non-sex event. The good news is, that's about 99% of the people at Burningman.

My recommendations are the typical ones:
1) Make it clear you don't want to be a with a guy if he comes onto you. Communication is key.
2) You will find many "safe harbors" at Burningman. Contrary to what anyone might say, 90% of the guys out there are going to come to your rescue no matter what. You can walk into about any camp and tell the residents you need help or feel unsafe and a ton of people will come to your aid.
3) Rangers and local BLM will help you. There are there for that.
4) Find a group to hang out with, if you are really worried about your safety, and then hang out with them.
5) Drink your own liquids and make sure it is sealed. I don't take any liquids from anyone at Burningman but that is because I don't drink alcohol and don't want any mistakes.

The camp I was with this year had a bar with stripper poles. Well, we had a nice young lady who come in and hung out. She said that she loves pole dancing but only when she is drunk. So she said would return when she was drunk and dance on the pole. Well, later that night she came back, drunk of course, and she put on a show. Afterwards, she stayed around with about 5 guys were hitting on her and just drooling all over her (Drunk themselves). Well, seeing this, I talked to the bar manager and had her keep an eye on me and I went over and played "Unwingman". Basically shooing off all the drunk guys and giving her a safe place to have fun. She thanked us for keeping an eye on her and then I offered to get a female camp member to escort her back to her camp to make sure she got home safe.
It was very cool thing we did and we were pleased to have her back night after night. She was a great guest to the camp and everyone was happy to have her around.
People just know where the safe places are and you will find them and have one of the best times of your life.

Teo del Fuego · Post by **Teo del Fuego** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:30 pm

snot-caked pants always keeps me safe from sexual predators.

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:53 pm

Thanks to Crypto for the BED mention. We have a web site at

http://www.bureauoferoticdiscourse.org/

and I've archived some additional documents on

http://www.dr-placebo.net/BED/

And we'll be on the playa in 2007, details TBA.

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:30 pm

The BED class I attended at the ePlaya Bar Camp last year represents one of the the most positive things I've encountered on the playa. I for one am glad to know the BED group will be back and Dog bless ya all for it.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:55 am

dr.placebo wrote:Thanks to Crypto for the BED mention.

Dang it, placebo, I consider myself something of an auntie to BED, as well as a member. Of course I will mention when appropriate.

You're welcome.

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:38 pm

You've been more than an auntie to BED, CF, last year in particular you got all the way to the rank of Angel, 1st class.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:40 pm

Wow, hope you don't mind the patina on my wings.

*fishy is oddly pleased and enjoys the warm happy feeling*

flightless · Post by **flightless** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:06 pm

CAXAP wrote:I am wandering how to be safe in a mass of thousands of men who's perceprtion of fraternal love may get scewed under influence of some substances and liquids, emotional and graphic experiences ,nudity etc.
I have already heard of date rapes. What to do?

Come hang out with me and/or the other older women! I've had full impact self-defense classes and I'm old enough to be their MILF (but I ain't)! We'll band together and humiliate whoever's harassing you.

Glittering Clitoris · Post by **Glittering Clitoris** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:47 pm

gaminwench wrote:in seven years, only one 'creep' issue, and i run around alone on the playa at all hours,dressed in as little as the weather will allow. He followed me from 6:00 out to the Emerald city hoping for who knows what...i finally told him i was doing the Solo experience and he was negatively affecting my ability to do so; he apologized and disappeared - turns out he's in the camp next door, he felt bad all week long! Don't flirt if you don't mean it!

Seems like a person that's shy though somewhat socially disfunctional: the average nerd that Burning Man attacts! They are harmless, "he felt bad all week". Sounds like GaminWench was enjoying that this guy felt like shits all week or she wished he felt bad all? She also sounds alittle too into herself.

But if you give them a chance, you might be the one that will surprise you with kindness and someone to share part of your first playa experience with and a long time playa partner.

Out of the ten years that I've been going, I have had no sexual predator problems and neither did I ever hear of any from any of the campers with me nor around me, only on eplaya have I heard of such attacks.

it happens

Be smart like you would in a place like New Orleans during Marti Gras but you wouldn't let that ruin your Marti Gras: in fact its much much safer.

I would also watch out for the Co-dependents on eplaya projecting their fear on you all with their, I'm here to protect you, but the truth is I'm the one that wants you! Don't let them scare you into holding back!

Fear is how THEY control you.

Some of the biggest freaks i've ever met in my life were the ones with the best intentions when you meet them. They're the ones that say, "Oh, I'd watch out for him, he looks weird" then when you are alone with them, this alter-personality mr. hyde come out (Nothing wrong with that if your looking for mr hyde, but its full phoney bullshit!) Like pedophiles priest and sex mad bible preachers or other people with control issues! People that couldn't get laid because they're too into themselves!

Honey, be strong, have a plan, then go and have a good time!

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:51 am

When I first saw this subject I was tempted to post a bunch of joke replies. But I guess this is a more serious issue then one might think.

Orgasim. A goal or natural occurance?

To the girl who started this thread. Have you ever had fantastic, amazing, rockets going off. trembling thighs, fuck?

I wonder how much of my own burningman experience has to do with sexual need etc.....

Above there are a number of suggestions by people on how to be safe a BM. ie don't take liquid gifts that might get ya all fucked up... here is my suggestion..
always have a camera with you so that you can remember what you do. Memories are made by Kodak.

BoxaRox · Post by **BoxaRox** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:16 am

Living life in fear is a choice.

flightless · Post by **flightless** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:57 am

BoxaRox wrote:Living life in fear is a choice.

Wanting to be safe doesn't mean living in fear - being prepared is also a choice!

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