Let's discuss Burning Man "non-persons"

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:17 pm

Over the years, a number of people have made significant contributions to Burning Man, but, because they fell out with the clique that now controls the event, they have been written out of the official Burning Man history. I'd like to start a discussion recognizing these Burning Man "non-persons" and their contributions. The first two I'd like to recognize are Jerry James and John Law:

Jerry James actually invented the event, back in the late 80's when he and Larry were best friends. Despite what the official history tells you, he came up with the idea of burning a man on the beach and built the first few Burning Men. Unfortunately for Jerry, he had a day job, whereas Larry was fraudulently claiming disability. The result was that Larry had more time to contact the press, claiming first to be the co-founder of the event, and then to be the "visionary" behind it. For some reason, Larry always wanted to be famous, and he saw the event that his friend had invented as a way to attain the fame he craved so desperately. When he was eventually forced out of the Burning Man organization, poor Jerry, who is a decent and sensitive soul, pretty much had a nervous breakdown. He truly loved Burning Man. It was his baby and it was stolen from him.

John Law was also once friends with Larry. He came up with the idea of holding Burning Man in the Black Rock desert, after holding the event in San Francisco became unfeasible. He also came up with the whole idea to transform Burning Man into a non-commerce-based society. At the time, Larry poo-poo'd the idea, but when he realized that it captured people's imaginations, he claimed it as his own.

Sometimes I feel quite sorry for Larry. He once had a lot of friends, but his greed and his craving for fame caused him to betray them all over the years. Now he's surrounded by people like Marian and Crimson, who despise him and only associate with him because it's to their financial benefit.

SED · Post by **SED** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:59 pm

Can someone please call the wambulance? Is there a quart sized tube of vagisil for this irritated twat?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:52 pm

Forgive me... I really do hate to feed this thread but after laughing my ass off... GAWD!! SED I don't even know ya but ya gave me the greatest laugh I've had in a long time... Thank You!

I have to say...it doesn't have anything to do with an "Irritated TWAT"
(he should be so lucky) ...(wait, I'm assuming IT's a He, must be the penis thing)... its more likely low self esteem.... its only obvious that it's all about revenge and how many people he can piss off and have react to his insipid prattle...... What goes around comes around and sadly but true it WILL most absolutely bite him right in the places it matters most....

PLEASE!...... TRY NOT to feed his NEED for attention.... he is going to spew his verbal vomit no matter what because THAT is how he is getting his needs met... and EVERYONE is intelligent enough to know in his eyes it validates him when any one of us replies to anything he says.....

If everything he wrote had 0 replies then the best he could do is flood the threads without response.... try to sit back, shake your head and CLICK AWAY without the urge to respond.... TRUST ME!! I am SOOOO Tempted to react as I am sure many are.. but what a waste because NOTHING any of us can write would matter shit to this Poor sick little person..... Someone must have pissed in his cornflakes cuz he sure has an issue with someone (or lots of someones) let's not let it become our issue..... Please!!!! Ok... back ot our regular scheduled programming!

irritated twat..... LMAO!!!! I love it!!!!!

SED wrote:Can someone please call the wambulance? Is there a quart sized tube of vagisil for this irritated twat?

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 6:39 am

LyingBare wrote:Forgive me... I really do hate to feed this thread but after laughing my ass off... GAWD!! SED I don't even know ya but ya gave me the greatest laugh I've had in a long time... Thank You!

I have to say...it doesn't have anything to do with an "Irritated TWAT"
(he should be so lucky) ...(wait, I'm assuming IT's a He, must be the penis thing)... its more likely low self esteem.... its only obvious that it's all about revenge and how many people he can piss off and have react to his insipid prattle...... What goes around comes around and sadly but true it WILL most absolutely bite him right in the places it matters most....

PLEASE!...... TRY NOT to feed his NEED for attention.... he is going to spew his verbal vomit no matter what because THAT is how he is getting his needs met... and EVERYONE is intelligent enough to know in his eyes it validates him when any one of us replies to anything he says.....

If everything he wrote had 0 replies then the best he could do is flood the threads without response.... try to sit back, shake your head and CLICK AWAY without the urge to respond.... TRUST ME!! I am SOOOO Tempted to react as I am sure many are.. but what a waste because NOTHING any of us can write would matter shit to this Poor sick little person..... Someone must have pissed in his cornflakes cuz he sure has an issue with someone (or lots of someones) let's not let it become our issue..... Please!!!! Ok... back ot our regular scheduled programming!

irritated twat..... LMAO!!!! I love it!!!!!

SED wrote:Can someone please call the wambulance? Is there a quart sized tube of vagisil for this irritated twat?

LyingBare -- did you know that every time you top-quote, a kitten dies?

quiet girl · Post by **quiet girl** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:10 pm

Larry actually credits John and Jerry in interviews. I think the media likes to focus on one individual (kind of like the vocalist of a band that gets alot of attention even though there's many equal players) to make it easier on themselves. Lazy bastards.

I really like John. He's got a prankster's heart and usually knows where to draw the line. If you're looking for a more balanced understanding of John Law's contribution and opinion of the event, here's a great article:

http://www.cometmagazine.com/cometsite3 ... /jlaw.html

BurningManRocks · Post by **BurningManRocks** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 1:05 am

WillSmallPenisRoger wrote:Over the years, a number of people have made significant contributions to Burning Man, but, because they fell out with the clique that now controls the event, they have been written out of the official Burning Man history. I'd like to start a discussion recognizing these Burning Man "non-persons" and their contributions. The first two I'd like to recognize are Jerry James and John Law:

Jerry James actually invented the event, back in the late 80's when he and Larry were best friends. Despite what the official history tells you, he came up with the idea of burning a man on the beach and built the first few Burning Men. Unfortunately for Jerry, he had a day job, whereas Larry was fraudulently claiming disability. The result was that Larry had more time to contact the press, claiming first to be the co-founder of the event, and then to be the "visionary" behind it. For some reason, Larry always wanted to be famous, and he saw the event that his friend had invented as a way to attain the fame he craved so desperately. When he was eventually forced out of the Burning Man organization, poor Jerry, who is a decent and sensitive soul, pretty much had a nervous breakdown. He truly loved Burning Man. It was his baby and it was stolen from him.

John Law was also once friends with Larry. He came up with the idea of holding Burning Man in the Black Rock desert, after holding the event in San Francisco became unfeasible. He also came up with the whole idea to transform Burning Man into a non-commerce-based society. At the time, Larry poo-poo'd the idea, but when he realized that it captured people's imaginations, he claimed it as his own.

Sometimes I feel quite sorry for Larry. He once had a lot of friends, but his greed and his craving for fame caused him to betray them all over the years. Now he's surrounded by people like Marian and Crimson, who despise him and only associate with him because it's to their financial benefit.

This is horrible. Haven't you read the official bio on the Burning Man Web site? It says Larry is the founder, not the co-founder or anything like that. Do you think the Burning Man organizers would lie?

Post by **actiongrl** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 1:14 pm

BMR/WSPR/LHH, where *do* you find the time?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:08 pm

actiongrl wrote:BMR/WSPR/LHH, where *do* you find the time?

I'm thinking classic MPD.... they make medication for that.... may be a wise investment and who knows they may enjoy the drugs....

Happy Holidays honey.....

Bare

III · Post by **III** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 3:08 pm

>classic MPD

i'm thinking it's not. mpd is serious condition, and manifests itself quite differently. this is just someone being an asshole.

yeah i'm being pedantic, but having my own mental health issues, i'm bent on destigmatizing them where i can.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 4:52 pm

mpd is serious condition, and manifests itself quite differently. this is just someone being an asshole.

yeah i'm being pedantic, but having my own mental health issues, i'm bent on destigmatizing them where i can.[/quote]

You're right... mpd is quite serious.... and much different than being an asshole. I stand corrected....

stopbmorg · Post by **stopbmorg** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:17 am

WSPR - you know if you can find and talk to some of the old-timer members of San Francisco Cacophony Society (of which I think Law was a member, but I'm not 100% certain - brain rot), you'll get an even better picture of how manipulative LH became over the whole event.

Visionary? Perhaps, in the Steve Jobs-Steve Wozniak sense. But certainly not the brains behind it all. I have to admit though, LH is good at taking/stealing credit for things.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:08 pm

nice puppet fuckie

BlueBirdPoof · Post by **BlueBirdPoof** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:57 pm

After all he owns three of the coolest objects in the Northern Hemisphere and always gets good press. (Except from Emeryville, also known as E-ville where they are more interested in sales tax revenue than some of the most amazing art to grace this planet--well that's an exageration, the mall has a whole bunch of Bulwinkle's. Must have been some sort of error.)

http://www.doggiediner.com/

Manny, Moe and Jack for ever!

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:41 pm

Old-timers (accdg. to my mom) called it "Emptyville".

BlueBirdPoof · Post by **BlueBirdPoof** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 9:10 am

Bob wrote: "Emptyville".

LMAO
Certainly a different resonance now than in the days of the mudflats and all those abandoned industrials sites, but I'm not saying that the IKEA, the Home Despot, and the Traitor Joe's don't cover up another emptiness.

allanon2 · Post by **allanon2** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:51 pm

is true. I as friends with John Law. Knew Jerry and LArry harvey from 1989.
John law was the one that we went out to blackrock first. I was there on that trip and was a friend of mine named jason racquerby. and many other from the cacophony soceity.

so whatever you say about willpenroger. this set of story i can validate as truth. except the part about jerry and his emoptinal problems.
and yes john law owns 3 of the neatest (I almost forgot he had 3) of the neatest bay area art peices in the world. i still want to know why that person gave him the 3rd one and how they got it out of that big field without anyone knowing

tyl
allanon

WillSmallPenisRoger wrote:Over the years, a number of people have made significant contributions to Burning Man, but, because they fell out with the clique that now controls the event, they have been written out of the official Burning Man history. I'd like to start a discussion recognizing these Burning Man "non-persons" and their contributions. The first two I'd like to recognize are Jerry James and John Law:

Jerry James actually invented the event, back in the late 80's when he and Larry were best friends. Despite what the official history tells you, he came up with the idea of burning a man on the beach and built the first few Burning Men. Unfortunately for Jerry, he had a day job, whereas Larry was fraudulently claiming disability. The result was that Larry had more time to contact the press, claiming first to be the co-founder of the event, and then to be the "visionary" behind it. For some reason, Larry always wanted to be famous, and he saw the event that his friend had invented as a way to attain the fame he craved so desperately. When he was eventually forced out of the Burning Man organization, poor Jerry, who is a decent and sensitive soul, pretty much had a nervous breakdown. He truly loved Burning Man. It was his baby and it was stolen from him.

John Law was also once friends with Larry. He came up with the idea of holding Burning Man in the Black Rock desert, after holding the event in San Francisco became unfeasible. He also came up with the whole idea to transform Burning Man into a non-commerce-based society. At the time, Larry poo-poo'd the idea, but when he realized that it captured people's imaginations, he claimed it as his own.

Sometimes I feel quite sorry for Larry. He once had a lot of friends, but his greed and his craving for fame caused him to betray them all over the years. Now he's surrounded by people like Marian and Crimson, who despise him and only associate with him because it's to their financial benefit.

allanon2 · Post by **allanon2** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:51 pm

WillSmallPenisRoger wrote:Over the years, a number of people have made significant contributions to Burning Man, but, because they fell out with the clique that now controls the event, they have been written out of the official Burning Man history. I'd like to start a discussion recognizing these Burning Man "non-persons" and their contributions. The first two I'd like to recognize are Jerry James and John Law:

Jerry James actually invented the event, back in the late 80's when he and Larry were best friends. Despite what the official history tells you, he came up with the idea of burning a man on the beach and built the first few Burning Men. Unfortunately for Jerry, he had a day job, whereas Larry was fraudulently claiming disability. The result was that Larry had more time to contact the press, claiming first to be the co-founder of the event, and then to be the "visionary" behind it. For some reason, Larry always wanted to be famous, and he saw the event that his friend had invented as a way to attain the fame he craved so desperately. When he was eventually forced out of the Burning Man organization, poor Jerry, who is a decent and sensitive soul, pretty much had a nervous breakdown. He truly loved Burning Man. It was his baby and it was stolen from him.

John Law was also once friends with Larry. He came up with the idea of holding Burning Man in the Black Rock desert, after holding the event in San Francisco became unfeasible. He also came up with the whole idea to transform Burning Man into a non-commerce-based society. At the time, Larry poo-poo'd the idea, but when he realized that it captured people's imaginations, he claimed it as his own.

Sometimes I feel quite sorry for Larry. He once had a lot of friends, but his greed and his craving for fame caused him to betray them all over the years. Now he's surrounded by people like Marian and Crimson, who despise him and only associate with him because it's to their financial benefit.

GUEST101 · Post by **GUEST101** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:23 pm

This person is very smart to post this because it speaks the truth. I should know, I was at the first burn in '86 on baker beach in SF. I have to say, the way Jerry James and John Law have been pushed out is really a sign of the corporate monster it has become. It has lost it's meaning with the exception of a few cool pieces of art. All it was when it started was our family and friends having fun on the beach. Why did it become the way it is? Well, certain people (who I will not name), who long for fame and wealth don't care about the corporate powers that want to exploit this thing we used to do for fun. Now it easy for any yuppie with a couple hundred dollars to experience, but with those kind of people there it's not an experience worth having anymore. What is underground, is what is cool. Jerry James and John Law have too much integrity and honor to suck money and fame out of this crap, they are a few of the most humble people I know. They do deserve more credit, after all Jerry did build the first BM. One thing this comment got wrong a little, was the nervous breakdown of Jerry James, he held it together as well as anyone could who was being cheated, and he really didn't have a nervous breakdown, he was of course not happy about it. I know this because he is my father. But thanks for your comment you really are a smart and unique person. I wish more people knew the truth.

Over the years, a number of people have made significant contributions to Burning Man, but, because they fell out with the clique that now controls the event, they have been written out of the official Burning Man history. I'd like to start a discussion recognizing these Burning Man "non-persons" and their contributions. The first two I'd like to recognize are Jerry James and John Law:

Jerry James actually invented the event, back in the late 80's when he and Larry were best friends. Despite what the official history tells you, he came up with the idea of burning a man on the beach and built the first few Burning Men. Unfortunately for Jerry, he had a day job, whereas Larry was fraudulently claiming disability. The result was that Larry had more time to contact the press, claiming first to be the co-founder of the event, and then to be the "visionary" behind it. For some reason, Larry always wanted to be famous, and he saw the event that his friend had invented as a way to attain the fame he craved so desperately. When he was eventually forced out of the Burning Man organization, poor Jerry, who is a decent and sensitive soul, pretty much had a nervous breakdown. He truly loved Burning Man. It was his baby and it was stolen from him.

John Law was also once friends with Larry. He came up with the idea of holding Burning Man in the Black Rock desert, after holding the event in San Francisco became unfeasible. He also came up with the whole idea to transform Burning Man into a non-commerce-based society. At the time, Larry poo-poo'd the idea, but when he realized that it captured people's imaginations, he claimed it as his own.

Sometimes I feel quite sorry for Larry. He once had a lot of friends, but his greed and his craving for fame caused him to betray them all over the years. Now he's surrounded by people like Marian and Crimson, who despise him and only associate with him because it's to their financial benefit.[/quote]

Post by **mdmf007** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:16 pm

Guest = how do you post without any stats at all?

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:26 pm

Any word on that shipment of Vagisil?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:21 am

GUEST101 wrote: What is underground, is what is cool.

Then this thread was much cooler when it was buried before you pulled it up.

Fist of Doom · Post by **Fist of Doom** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:02 am

This dredge from the OP saying it's someone else is sockism. Like we can't tell you're the same person. How uncool. And not even cacaphonic. Catatonic, more like. Fucking catatonic.

BOOOORRRRIINNGGG. Go away. Get a fucking life. Do something worthwile. Go start an event or something. Seriously. Make something positive, quit dwelling on the past.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:15 am

stuart wrote:nice puppet fuckie

ROFLMAO

pinemom · Post by **pinemom** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:27 am

yeah this is funny thread... I MISSSSSSSSSSSSS SED!

...just small observation....if Larry really wanted to be "a superstar" so to speak, dontcha think he would have an artcar that would parade him around for the masses to worship...Im mean Shit Ive never seen the dude.
Sure it was great that a group of friends went to the beach one time, and decided to burn a wooden man, and it caught on for...
"just another excuse to throw a fucken party"!
who the fuck cares WHO decided to build the wooden dude, or to burn it for that matter. I Just love the party and all my new friends I meet every year and all my new friends Ive kept over the years!
Geeze, that would be like me and my two best bud's ...years down the road....one of us takes a stupid song we made up, stoned off our butts,sittin on the beach in Tahoe, about our damn dogs having flea's and spiders and puppies...turning it into a gold record...and one of us trying to sue the other... sure it happens...but look at the stupidity of it!

ya'll are putting way to much energy into this!

Thank you "ALL" who were there on that beach that fateful night back in the 80's, how bout the small undisclosed people who were there, stoned/drunk off their butts, that have NEVER been mentioned, nor try to come out of the shadows for self recognition...maybe they dont even remember that night they were so f'd up...sounds like a great party!Waking up to the same fire pit, full of smouldering ashes like all the other parties...and the silly man they helped make, they dont remember,and how the hell they got their damn thumb smashed, etc ......
whatever...
We have a glorious festival now! Who the hell cares how it got here!

Go fucking put all that "finger pointing" energy into something a lil' more creative and beautiful...wont ya?

ZaphodBurner · Post by **ZaphodBurner** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:58 am

Personally, I don't much care for people telling me that "Burning Man has lost its meaning." If it's lost meaning for a person, that person shouldn't go.

Burning Man "means" something different to everybody who participates. It hasn't lost its meaning for my wife and friends and I at all. We get together, buy our tickets, build our art, take it to the playa and participate. If that has no meaning to people, fuck 'em. It still means something to me.

-zb

pinemom · Post by **pinemom** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:29 am

Ditto! In a HUGE way! Zaphod!

Thats what we do here too....

I thank all those who contributed to the idea "back then" and more over I thank all the people who go out and participate everyear since!

ALICEtheGOON · Post by **ALICEtheGOON** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:54 am

...back in '72 my father was in the mafia.
he placed a man in the trunk of a black cadillac and torched it.
Doesnt he deserve any credit?

.....its always LARRY LARRY LARRY

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:32 am

Hey Alice, know anything about the non-person, Jimmy Hoffa?

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:05 pm

Every revolution has it's fallen heros.

Koba, why must I die for the revolution?

ALICEtheGOON · Post by **ALICEtheGOON** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:08 pm

...phhhfft ....shhh
come closer ....

Jimmy hoffa is buried in Titwi and Pinemom's backyard

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I like John

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non-persons history

Don't speculate idly about John Law

I have been aware of Burningman man since 1989 and yes every

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