Women often use drugs as part of a seduction thing.
A woman told me that once after getting me drunk.
I told her she only had needed to ask.
She was also under that misapprehension that sex would last longer if a man is drunk.
Maybe she was looking at courtship from her point of view.
It isn't rare at all and I have had women I wasn't interested in attempt to use drugs to alter my judgement.
I don't think I have ever had anyone sneak something to me, but I can see the possibility with total sleep not being the goal.
Wasn't there a biblical reference to this sort of thing?
I couldn't guess as to how often though.
It's not like there is a lack of choice on the playa.
And there is more to do surely.
Violence is a whole other area and it is a sickness that women do participate in as much as men.
And in play, women often think they can't hurt men and are much more aggressive, so not intentional.
When they equalized violence laws here intending to arrest more men, arrests of women climbed and slightly surpass men.
A study by a feminist group found women often deliberately provoking violence as well.
It is a sickness.
Maybe it does cross over into this practice?
Clear communication is definitely called for.
There are a greater variety of social styles on the playa than elsewhere.
A lot of women expect a lot of aggression and are not clear about it.
But not every woman is on the same page.
And frankly, women are mostly terrible communicators and think they are clear.
Every woman has a different style and communication technique and men can't read minds. ( Women can't, but often think they can.)
If someone wants a lot of aggression, I'm fine with that.
Just be clear.
Some women are very easy to understand, even non-verbally and they clearly make an effort to do so.
So I know it can be done and done well.
It will make your life easier.
Plain english works just fine too.
Just remember, every woman a man meets has different ideas and expectations from yours.
I'm not trying to be critical, just help.
Single women and creep factor
Re: interesting...
Have to back bronco on that one. The only time I got dosed it was done by a woman (and it happened at BM.)theCryptofishist wrote:Cites?bronco2121 wrote:L A D Y!!!! yeah, sometimes that happens - but it happens to men as much as women.
In my experience men haven't cornered the market for nastiness.
My suggestion: Hold to that feeling and really expect that these are the kinds of experiences you'll have on the playa, but keep your radar functioning. (And test your radar regularly!)Glittering Clitoris wrote:
(re. men you meet on the playa):
But if you give them a chance, (he) might be the one that will surprise you with kindness and someone to share part of your first playa experience with and a long time playa partner.
GC - I also share your feelings on the people who may be trying to show how wonderful and protective they are..... Just witnessed it. Ugly!!
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I can elaborate on earning trust. It's earned when you've seen the person in enough situations where they could act nefariously but instead they act honorably. After you've seen someone in many of these situations you have a good idea of how they'll act in future situations. This of course is not a fool proof way, but seems to be the best one we have. If you say someone has built trust with you, it's basically saying you've seen them do enough things in a way that you respect that you're pretty sure the next time they do something it'll also be in a way you respect.How is that an answer?
Do you want to elaborate?
When have you earned trust?
People generally don't change that much and cannot keep up an act for long durations. After some time you're basically betting on a spectrum of things a person will do. We generally trust people with simple things at first. Borrowing things, getting rides, then if they act responsibly you trust them with bigger things, like watching the house or borrowing the car, then eventually kids etc. We also sometime trust other peoples judgment on people we've never met. A trusted friend of a friend who you can trust is sometimes better than someone you sort of know and trust.
It still sounds like you are saying you take that leap and decide to trust someone and then see what happens.
If you do it slow or fast, you think it is a predictor?
Deceptive people have to make an effort to look better than honest people.
How often does this nefarious opportunity pop up?
I was in a life and death situation with a friend recently.
How often does that happen?
Beyond basic common sense I have not found time to be a predictor.
If I trust someone immediately or not, they are going to be reliable or they won't.
My caution will have no effect on them.
Where is a way to find out something without risk?
Psychic connection?
I am not sure there is an easy answer.
I am quicker to trust some people.
I couldn't always say why.
If you do it slow or fast, you think it is a predictor?
Deceptive people have to make an effort to look better than honest people.
How often does this nefarious opportunity pop up?
I was in a life and death situation with a friend recently.
How often does that happen?
Beyond basic common sense I have not found time to be a predictor.
If I trust someone immediately or not, they are going to be reliable or they won't.
My caution will have no effect on them.
Where is a way to find out something without risk?
Psychic connection?
I am not sure there is an easy answer.
I am quicker to trust some people.
I couldn't always say why.
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True, but it's only worth being deceptive for a certain amount of time. At some point you have to decide, it's not worth it for someone to be this deceptive when they could just go get an easy target. It's not likely that a guy you've been hanging out with and alone with for the last year would wait until burningman to drug you, so I think you can figure at that point you're reasonably safe. There are lots of factors that go into trust, and figuring out how much something is worth to someone is a big part of it.Deceptive people have to make an effort to look better than honest people.
Sure I'd like all the money in my friends pockets, but I'm not going to take it from them. Their feelings, friendship, and just doing what is right is worth more to me. Some of my closest friends have been that way for over 20 years. I have not become a drug addict or put myself in any other situation which may have changed that, so they can with very little doubt, trust that they can leave their money laying around and I'm not going to take it. That's an extreme case, but we put odds on everything we do. They cannot know for certain that things haven't changed in my life or that I've been acting all these years to get one big hit, but it's a pretty safe bet.
I am saying take a leap, but only small ones that you're willing to take the fall on. I'd risk loaning some DVDs to someone who seems reasonable, but if I had kids I would not risk them to someone that I don't know really well. If I've trusted someone with many small leaps only then do I start to trust them with larger ones. When I see a predictable pattern I'm willing to take a safe bet with the larger things.
Nefarious. (A great word I don't use)gyre wrote: How often does this nefarious opportunity pop up?
I was in a life and death situation with a friend recently.
How often does that happen?
Beyond basic common sense I have not found time to be a predictor.
If I trust someone immediately or not, they are going to be reliable or they won't.
My caution will have no effect on them.
Where is a way to find out something without risk?
Psychic connection?
I am not sure there is an easy answer.
I am quicker to trust some people.
I couldn't always say why.
People are showing you who they are constantly, don't you think? They REALLY show what they're made of when they're up against the wall, pressure on, full dose of shit hitting the fan. The question is, whether you're ignoring what you're noticing about them for some reason.
One component of trust is that you honestly believe in the positive outcome. Which brings up the question of whether you can trust your own assessments, intuition, gut sense, subconscious read of what's going on around you. (For example am I saying that I trust you, knowing full well that as soon as my back is turned you're going to stick it to me because I really like playing the victim or any other personal game? Or maybe I desperately hope for the best, but secretly believe in the worst. etc. etc. Anytime you can't honestly say that you trust, maybe all you're doing is merely gambling. I think personal integrity is part of it.
Caution doesn't necessarily have much of any effect on the other person. (Probably more often than not, it makes them act worse??) But it does help limit your own damage.
The problem is you guys are trying to think like people that don't think like you and I.
My experiences with women have been varied and it is often unreliability and general dishonesty or other things.
But when you are talking about active deception, that is a different creature.
I do have experience with that, con men in this case and I believe serial rapists as well.
You are trying to presume one target, when in fact everyone is their target.
They will be trustworthy and your best friend, for years until there is that big enough score.
They often use people to get other people to trust them.
There are a slew of people to give testimonials.
This is stock in trade because they need it.
It's like the saying that locks are for honest people.
This is what the worst are like.
The rest of us don't have to be that diplomatic, to prove ourselves because we don't want to cheat someone or fool anybody.
We just are honest.
The people I am talking about have been doing it all their lives and it is a profession.
They regard the rest of us as weak and foolish.
I know a woman like this.
When a friend told me he had been seeing her and was about to marry her...
I asked him later if I could have said anything at that point.
He said no.
He is stubborn.
The marriage lasted two days and she wiped him out financially.
At least he was smart enough to cut his losses when he finally met her.
People like this don't get in misunderstandings.
They take advantage where they can and will act like they didn't.
There were people Ted Bundy never betrayed.
But they weren't his friends.
So that is the worst among us.
When they steal or lie or rape, they don't have a second thought.
Just a good day.
One common thread.
They act nicer than the rest of us.
That doesn't always make them easy to spot.
Some of my friends trust me because I don't cut them any slack when they're wrong.
They know I'm not diplomatic enough to fool anyone.
The people in between with weird conflicts are the ones that can be impossible to spot at first.
But caution only goes so far.
I try to trust everyone, but stay awake.
I'll cut my losses in a second.
My experiences with women have been varied and it is often unreliability and general dishonesty or other things.
But when you are talking about active deception, that is a different creature.
I do have experience with that, con men in this case and I believe serial rapists as well.
You are trying to presume one target, when in fact everyone is their target.
They will be trustworthy and your best friend, for years until there is that big enough score.
They often use people to get other people to trust them.
There are a slew of people to give testimonials.
This is stock in trade because they need it.
It's like the saying that locks are for honest people.
This is what the worst are like.
The rest of us don't have to be that diplomatic, to prove ourselves because we don't want to cheat someone or fool anybody.
We just are honest.
The people I am talking about have been doing it all their lives and it is a profession.
They regard the rest of us as weak and foolish.
I know a woman like this.
When a friend told me he had been seeing her and was about to marry her...
I asked him later if I could have said anything at that point.
He said no.
He is stubborn.
The marriage lasted two days and she wiped him out financially.
At least he was smart enough to cut his losses when he finally met her.
People like this don't get in misunderstandings.
They take advantage where they can and will act like they didn't.
There were people Ted Bundy never betrayed.
But they weren't his friends.
So that is the worst among us.
When they steal or lie or rape, they don't have a second thought.
Just a good day.
One common thread.
They act nicer than the rest of us.
That doesn't always make them easy to spot.
Some of my friends trust me because I don't cut them any slack when they're wrong.
They know I'm not diplomatic enough to fool anyone.
The people in between with weird conflicts are the ones that can be impossible to spot at first.
But caution only goes so far.
I try to trust everyone, but stay awake.
I'll cut my losses in a second.
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No. In fact I DO think they think like you and I.The problem is you guys are trying to think like people that don't think like you and I.
I'm not presuming one target, but really; I'm only able to watch out for one, myself. The fact that everyone is their target and that they do think like you and I, is exactly why I can trust some people and why it builds over time. If I wanted to victimize people in some fashion, I would not stick around with the people who make me spend time to earn their trust, I'd go with the foolish ones who will instantly trust me since they are the other targets. Knowing this I can safely assume most others that I have to worry about will do the same and give up on me when I don't just hand over my children, car, valued possessions, etc. The smart ones are the ones we have to worry about and they know they have more than one target, so by making yourself a hard target, you know you can trust the people who stick around.You are trying to presume one target, when in fact everyone is their target.
I think I'll say target a few more times just to make sure I hit the target with my targeted points. Target target target.
I doubt you think of everyone you meet as prey and calculate how to ingratiate yourself.
I tracked these guy's history back many years.
They have been to jail many times but never long.
But they could have made more money by being reliable.
I just don't think they operate that way.
I am convinced they are responsible for a series of drug rapes at a certain bar.
I know they have no moral hesitations at all.
You would not believe how hard it was for me to get rid of them.
They simply could not grasp that I would not give them money.
It got unpleasant.
People that have not met this face to face often cannot believe there are people like this.
I tracked these guy's history back many years.
They have been to jail many times but never long.
But they could have made more money by being reliable.
I just don't think they operate that way.
I am convinced they are responsible for a series of drug rapes at a certain bar.
I know they have no moral hesitations at all.
You would not believe how hard it was for me to get rid of them.
They simply could not grasp that I would not give them money.
It got unpleasant.
People that have not met this face to face often cannot believe there are people like this.
God this is too wierd. I just had a long conversation with a coworker (and we're both finding ourselves in a chaotic out of control scene here.) The gist of the conversation was about trust and sorting things out - cutting through the bullshit to create a solution. The major problem is lies and deception from the top.
Gyre, that all makes sense and I agree..... but.
All I can really speak from is my own experience. I've been conned enough times. The common denominator that was the gateway to being conned was that I somehow managed to ignore my own gut sense. Sometimes though my gut sense (intuition) is just subtle enough that my own greed, desire to do something good or helpful, desire to avoid conflict, etc overpowers it.
I've certainly encountered the odd sociopath. One was a good friend for awhile. (He was the usual kind of guy that gives men in general a bad rep with women.) It did take a while for me to really get the full measure of him, because he's really quite smooth and pleasant. Because we were such great outdoor buddies (skiing, climbing) I was willing to ignore the worst of his behavior for a long time. So we have a 'hook' I think that keeps us vulnerable, and in that case it was having a very talented outdoor partner. I finally realized how extensive the web of lies he was telling other people (and himself) to keep it all going.
Maybe the worst hook is a desire to feel loved.
Gyre, that all makes sense and I agree..... but.
All I can really speak from is my own experience. I've been conned enough times. The common denominator that was the gateway to being conned was that I somehow managed to ignore my own gut sense. Sometimes though my gut sense (intuition) is just subtle enough that my own greed, desire to do something good or helpful, desire to avoid conflict, etc overpowers it.
I've certainly encountered the odd sociopath. One was a good friend for awhile. (He was the usual kind of guy that gives men in general a bad rep with women.) It did take a while for me to really get the full measure of him, because he's really quite smooth and pleasant. Because we were such great outdoor buddies (skiing, climbing) I was willing to ignore the worst of his behavior for a long time. So we have a 'hook' I think that keeps us vulnerable, and in that case it was having a very talented outdoor partner. I finally realized how extensive the web of lies he was telling other people (and himself) to keep it all going.
Maybe the worst hook is a desire to feel loved.
MikeVDS wrote:No. In fact I DO think they think like you and I.The problem is you guys are trying to think like people that don't think like you and I.
I'm not presuming one target, but really; I'm only able to watch out for one, myself. The fact that everyone is their target and that they do think like you and I, is exactly why I can trust some people and why it builds over time. If I wanted to victimize people in some fashion, I would not stick around with the people who make me spend time to earn their trust, I'd go with the foolish ones who will instantly trust me since they are the other targets. Knowing this I can safely assume most others that I have to worry about will do the same and give up on me when I don't just hand over my children, car, valued possessions, etc. The smart ones are the ones we have to worry about and they know they have more than one target, so by making yourself a hard target, you know you can trust the people who stick around.You are trying to presume one target, when in fact everyone is their target.
I think I'll say target a few more times just to make sure I hit the target with my targeted points. Target target target.
Time for a bad joke..
How come there is no Wal-Mart in Afghanistan?
Because there is a Target on every corner.
/me hangs head in shame
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YOu know about that building trust thing. I've got this Great Nephew Inlaw and basically he's a hypochondriac, compulsive liar, has a anger management problem (lets his 12 year old daughter takes control of his actions) and all around coward. Oh year, he's out of work and has been for over a month a half- he can't hold a job because he's illiterate.
Anyway, right after he married my niece (told her his had all this money from a law suite- was actually about Ten thousand!!!) moved into my sister's house. Yeah, moved in with my niece and basically is living off my sister's retirement. Make his wife work two jobs. He's let the house turn into a white trash trailer. I used to live here and it was in great shape then and as long as my Brother in Law was alive. I've been fixing doors and heat losses so my sister doesn't spend all her money just to heat the place and repairing the house just so it doesn't get condemned.
But the guy has three kids. Spends all of his time playa internet war games or talks on the phone about his glory days.
Well anyway, my neice is getting ready to dump him, because he's a bum and has no sexual relationship with her and doesn't spend time with any of his kids. They remarked that when he was away during the week working at a new job (which he was fired from in just a week) that the house and family atmosphere was better without him.
So she's getting ready to dump him and the deceptive personality is coming out again with him telling her all the time, "I Love YOU!"
Obviously, he's trying to brainwash her out of getting a separation or divorce.
But it's just that deceptive person that builds up your trust of them just to fucking use you! I hope that she can be strong and see though his act and if not for her, but at least for the benefit of her kids!
The guy is a total user!
AIIZ
Anyway, right after he married my niece (told her his had all this money from a law suite- was actually about Ten thousand!!!) moved into my sister's house. Yeah, moved in with my niece and basically is living off my sister's retirement. Make his wife work two jobs. He's let the house turn into a white trash trailer. I used to live here and it was in great shape then and as long as my Brother in Law was alive. I've been fixing doors and heat losses so my sister doesn't spend all her money just to heat the place and repairing the house just so it doesn't get condemned.
But the guy has three kids. Spends all of his time playa internet war games or talks on the phone about his glory days.
Well anyway, my neice is getting ready to dump him, because he's a bum and has no sexual relationship with her and doesn't spend time with any of his kids. They remarked that when he was away during the week working at a new job (which he was fired from in just a week) that the house and family atmosphere was better without him.
So she's getting ready to dump him and the deceptive personality is coming out again with him telling her all the time, "I Love YOU!"
Obviously, he's trying to brainwash her out of getting a separation or divorce.
But it's just that deceptive person that builds up your trust of them just to fucking use you! I hope that she can be strong and see though his act and if not for her, but at least for the benefit of her kids!
The guy is a total user!
AIIZ
Dana,
There is a tendency to look back at the past and blame yourself for not seeing something.
Don't fall for it.
If you can learn something and get smarter, do it.
I think it is one of those logical fallacies that cause us to make mistakes in thinking.
There are some books listing these and we should all be familiar.
Don't blame yourself for trusting.
It's only dumb if you find out and do nothing.
And you are right.
They want to prey on our desires for acceptance or whatever.
Standard cult technique, I think.
Ted Bundy nearly killed a friend of mine, by the way.
She got home late to the sorority house.
Good move.
There is a tendency to look back at the past and blame yourself for not seeing something.
Don't fall for it.
If you can learn something and get smarter, do it.
I think it is one of those logical fallacies that cause us to make mistakes in thinking.
There are some books listing these and we should all be familiar.
Don't blame yourself for trusting.
It's only dumb if you find out and do nothing.
And you are right.
They want to prey on our desires for acceptance or whatever.
Standard cult technique, I think.
Ted Bundy nearly killed a friend of mine, by the way.
She got home late to the sorority house.
Good move.
[Damn! I can't sleep so I might as well continue chatting with you guys.]gyre wrote:Dana,
There is a tendency to look back at the past and blame yourself for not seeing something.
Don't fall for it.
If you can learn something and get smarter, do it.
I think it is one of those logical fallacies that cause us to make mistakes in thinking.
There are some books listing these and we should all be familiar.
Don't blame yourself for trusting.
It's only dumb if you find out and do nothing.
And you are right.
They want to prey on our desires for acceptance or whatever.
Standard cult technique, I think.
Ted Bundy nearly killed a friend of mine, by the way.
She got home late to the sorority house.
Good move.
Yeah, that's pretty much my point. I've got my face shoved in it right now in a big way, so I'm kind of tripping on this thread.
I just left Kauai where I got caught in a kind of triangle. (Two women and myself.) One was the most incredible woman I ever met, who looked into my eyes and told me she wanted to get married. (Beautiful, Japanese, massuese, great energy - you get the picture.) The other one was the spoiler, who I trusted until it was too late - (Canadians never do anything bad do they??) Once I got past being bowled over by the "I want to get married" statement and really let it in that I could be a contender, the other woman was on it and I never got the chance to find out. She was preying on the trust of the Japanese woman, using her to get even with me. (OK, I know it all sounds a little melodramatic or something, but that's life sometimes....)
But yep, I've been mining the experience for hard lessons and principles to live by.
That's very freakin wierd about your friend and Bundy. Did she have any comments about how he came across? There's a related experience that also came to mind with this thread, which may have been part of what saved your friend. I was with this guy a few years back the day he died kayaking (not at the exact instant, but the previous day and that morning.) It seemed as if he felt his own death sort of prowling about that morning, because he made some funny comments. He was going to not join the group that day and just do something very mellow by himself. He didn't feel right somehow. But he ended up joining us and was dead about 40 minutes after we started in the worst freak accident I ever heard of kayaking. My point is that he seemed as if he was having a pretty strong premonition and chose to ignore it. Why? Wasn't comfortable being apart from the group, being left out? We find ways to ignore our gut instinct.
[And since we're mentioning trust, some might wonder whether you could be just making that up about Bundy and your friend. I don't get the sense from reading your posts so far that you would be posing, so I trust that's a true statement. But then I suppose I don't have money on the matter either. Only a conversation at stake.]
And no Gyre, I would never blame myself for trusting. Sorry, but I'm having tangential thoughts to that old Kung Fu TV show! (What a compost heap my mind can be.)
So what did you learn Grasshopper?
I learned to expect the unexpected.
My friend never met Bundy.
When he finally came totally unglued, he rampaged through the sorority house beating people to death.
Hers was one of the rooms he entered.
If so many people hadn't been out, it would have been much worse.
He escaped and was caught later.
She was pretty bothered for a long time.
He did have a 'friend' that never saw his bad side and that he never betrayed to her knowledge.
She often gave him rides because he didn't have a car.
The whole time he had a car hidden.
One reason it took so long to catch him was that the person they were looking for had to have a car.
And it was a distinctive car.
It must have taken a lot of control to go without a car all the time when you own one.
I'm a little confused about your drama.
Did the canadian girl sabotage things?
When he finally came totally unglued, he rampaged through the sorority house beating people to death.
Hers was one of the rooms he entered.
If so many people hadn't been out, it would have been much worse.
He escaped and was caught later.
She was pretty bothered for a long time.
He did have a 'friend' that never saw his bad side and that he never betrayed to her knowledge.
She often gave him rides because he didn't have a car.
The whole time he had a car hidden.
One reason it took so long to catch him was that the person they were looking for had to have a car.
And it was a distinctive car.
It must have taken a lot of control to go without a car all the time when you own one.
I'm a little confused about your drama.
Did the canadian girl sabotage things?
We'll make sure you are out for half the event this time.
We gave you that zombie drug last year but it seemed to have no effect on you.
If anything, you seemed to perk up.
We gave you that zombie drug last year but it seemed to have no effect on you.
If anything, you seemed to perk up.
"Everything is more wonderful when you do it with a car, don't you think?"
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It would be a shame if I had to resort to self-deception to preserve my faith in objective reality.
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Re: interesting...
In mine too. But the comparitive danger here is not the fifty fifty bronco seems to be arguing for.dana wrote:Have to back bronco on that one. The only time I got dosed it was done by a woman (and it happened at BM.)theCryptofishist wrote:Cites?bronco2121 wrote:L A D Y!!!! yeah, sometimes that happens - but it happens to men as much as women.
In my experience men haven't cornered the market for nastiness.
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Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri
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Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri
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AntiM wrote:I'm fairly certain the one guy I hitched a ride from was Bundy. Early 1975, Northern Utah, right kind of car. Maybe I got off lucky because I was blond and he mostly went for brunettes. Don't know, but it still gives me the creeps.
wow .... just ... wow
You call it malt liquor, I call it breakfast.
Probably because you look like you would enjoy it too much. Something about your camp.. can't quite put my finger on it. Personally I could spend all day tripping on those wonderfully mutilated barbie dolls without any assistance. Maybe they think you're dosed already and don't want to waste any. The hair could have something to do with that.Dr. Pyro wrote:Why is it that everyone but me gets dosed?
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Melodramatic is kind of life as usual around here, so I didn't pick up on anything.dana wrote: I figured that you would pick up on "melodramatic" as a kind of euphemism for embarrassing details.
I could tell you a pretty melodramatic story.
It doesn't sound like you are the one that needs to be embarrassed anyway.
"Everything is more wonderful when you do it with a car, don't you think?"
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It would be a shame if I had to resort to self-deception to preserve my faith in objective reality.
-girl by the fire, watching a tree moved by car bumper in the bonfire
It would be a shame if I had to resort to self-deception to preserve my faith in objective reality.
Tell!gyre wrote:Melodramatic is kind of life as usual around here, so I didn't pick up on anything.dana wrote: I figured that you would pick up on "melodramatic" as a kind of euphemism for embarrassing details.
I could tell you a pretty melodramatic story.
It doesn't sound like you are the one that needs to be embarrassed anyway.
(I'll read it when I get back. Off to the woods for a few.)
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bronco2121
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ciiiiite
cyrptofish wrote:
>>>But the comparitive danger here is not the fifty fifty bronco seems to be arguing for.
please... ciiiiiiiiiiiiiite against. i've already cited 'for'.
B!
>>>But the comparitive danger here is not the fifty fifty bronco seems to be arguing for.
please... ciiiiiiiiiiiiiite against. i've already cited 'for'.
B!
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bronco2121
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you silly
sensei wrote (while trying to describe):
>>>mi·sog·y·ny
sensei, grasping at straws - your strong suit. i LOVE women. i think women are fantsitic. i love to be with women, i love to love women. women, in my world, make it go around. i also know that equal to men - many women are evil little monsters.
sensie it's slugs like you who misinterpret the intention of calling 'bullshit' on this notion that women are 'equal to men in only all the good ways' who create a bad name for both genders. go shove your very trite notion of mi·sog·y·ny up your ass.
B!
>>>mi·sog·y·ny
sensei, grasping at straws - your strong suit. i LOVE women. i think women are fantsitic. i love to be with women, i love to love women. women, in my world, make it go around. i also know that equal to men - many women are evil little monsters.
sensie it's slugs like you who misinterpret the intention of calling 'bullshit' on this notion that women are 'equal to men in only all the good ways' who create a bad name for both genders. go shove your very trite notion of mi·sog·y·ny up your ass.
B!