flamethrowers

MozyBonz · Post by **MozyBonz** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:03 am

This small, lightweight device has an attached propane bottle and is essentially a miniature flame thrower. Stick it above the weed and burn away.
Don't have weeds? Buy one anyway. There is an attached control valve that regulates the amount of flame.

Itâ€™s like a burner squirt gun. I want oneâ€¦..or three or four.

Ok what's your favorite flamethrower?

EvilDustBooger · Post by **EvilDustBooger** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:26 am

OK Mozy

I want one.

where`d you get the squirt gun?

I want one.

I like the minimal light-weight design of it.

I`ve got a similarly designed device that is alot bulkier, ...stainless tube mounted on the end, but just a big brush burner...
it can hook up to a BIG tank if you want...

I want a little one though. maybe 2.

I could rail/mount them and be like a Flaming Taxi Driver...

....BWOOOOSHHHHHH !

"You talkin` to ME ? ! ? "

please tell....

MozyBonz · Post by **MozyBonz** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:35 pm

check your pm EDB

EvilDustBooger · Post by **EvilDustBooger** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:23 pm

HeHeeHeeHeeHeeHeeHeeHeeHeeHeeHeeHeeHeeHeeHeeHeeHeeHeeeeeee !

Post by **mdmf007** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:52 pm

The torch handles work great unfortunately you can only get like a 24 inch flame out of the brush burners.

and modifyingg the regulator doesnt work well either as the bottle freezes up when you get any appreciable amount of fuel to flow throught them.

Buy a used hot air balloon burner - you can get a 40-50 foot flame out of those easily.

later all - (and dont burn yourself up)

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:40 pm

That 's just a flame.
You have to add kerosene to actually throw flame.

There are people on the playa that have mastered the inefficient use of fuel.
Wasn't there someone with fire cannons that reached 300 feet?

Post by **mdmf007** » Tue May 01, 2007 8:30 am

God point - forgot to mention that flame throwing equipment, unless used for agricultural burning is classed as a weapon and subject to BATF licensing.

BigCock · Post by **BigCock** » Tue May 01, 2007 11:47 am

Back in my potato cannon days, I had a 4" ABS combustion chamber with a threaded fitting that I could attach 2" barrels to. Worked great. Then I made a 4" barrel with the goal of making a fire ball thrower. I put the right air-fuel ratio in the lower combustion chamber for a strong explosion, then experimented with the ratio in the 4" barrel. With a rich mixture, I got a big orange ball but not much bang. With a lean mixture, I got a dull thud and some blue. With just the right mixture, I got a big pop that sounded like dynamite with an orange-blue flame.

Propane is definitely my desert island alkane.

mojo · Post by **mojo** » Tue May 01, 2007 12:41 pm

Ahhh, potato cannons...... brings back such fond memories.....

I had two mounted to a lawn chair on a lazy-susan affair that worked like a turret gun.

EvilDustBooger · Post by **EvilDustBooger** » Tue May 01, 2007 1:10 pm

ahhh yes, semi-dangerous fun!
We used to stand about 30 paces in front of the tater-gun with
a catchers mit.
Most of the ones that hit the mit - vaporized on contact...

...then there was that crappy BBQ joint down the street....
....never knew what hit `em.

oh the fabulous odours of WhiteRain Hairspray and blasted taters...

...smells like victory .

Post by **actiongrl** » Tue May 01, 2007 4:18 pm

Just remember, they're "Flame Effects" NOT flamethrowers!

Flamethrowers are weapons. Flame Effects are cool, legal goodness!

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Tue May 01, 2007 9:04 pm

Flame Effects are cool, legal goodness!

You still have to be a little careful because they can become illegal. Over 30 foot flames can be considered a misdemeanor or felony. There are exceptions for entertainment but licenses and/or permits are usually required. I know in California you need to get insurance as well. It's hard to find exact rules on flame effects. From what I can tell a lot of companies that create these at large commercial events get a pyrotechnics license (about $1500), a permit from local fire enforcement, and a million dollar insurance policy. The pyrotechnics license does not seem to be legally required for large flame effects, but there does not seem to be much to cover that area. It seems like people get that figuring the license is for more dangerous effects, so by holding a license for those the lesser effects should be covered as well.

If anyone knows of specific laws or case law in this area, I'd be interested. Some in our camp would like to get legit so we can have these effects at small gatherings without the fire department showing up asking about the "explosions".

capjbadger · Post by **capjbadger** » Tue May 01, 2007 11:22 pm

Oooo....

Perfect!! A 24" flame would fit my project perfectly. Where did you see these Mozy?

Badger

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Wed May 02, 2007 3:59 am

actiongrl wrote:Just remember, they're "Flame Effects" NOT flamethrowers!

Flamethrowers are weapons. Flame Effects are cool, legal goodness!

Whats the difference? I would like to know if anyone has any idea what we can get away with at BM without being hassled. I tried lookin around and it seems that Nevada and Federal law apply to BM. What can one that is unlicensed or permitted do to a bike or fire effect and not worry about legal troubles. I have seen some really big stuff.. do these folks get permits? Are they pros in the pyro industry that get "respect" from LEOs?

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Wed May 02, 2007 6:13 am

I know at least some of the large effects don't have licenses. I have a link somewhere to the federal law. It basically says over 30 foot flames can be considered a weapon and can have felony or misdemeanor charges. It also says there is an exception for entertainment purposes. Under that law it seems like everyone is fine because they are not weapons, they are for entertainment. States seem to have their own pyrotechnics laws, but those don't seem to specifically cover flame effects, which may or may not be completely legal. Local fire departments are usually the ones who regulate fire effects. I know some have pyrotechnics permits that people have used for for flame effect shows.

At burningman I'm pretty sure most aren't licensed. They have a fire safety team that you need to get past though. I'm pretty sure a lot of the structures there would technically be illegal in some way.

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Wed May 02, 2007 6:41 am

...I will hazard a guess here that the BLM, Feds, and local LEO's take their cue regarding flame effects from the BMorg. If the BMorg has issued your flame effect a permit, then it is "legal" at BM. If not, then you open yourself up to hassles (and any attitude could land you in trouble). Of course, if anything goes wrong and someone gets hurt, all bets are off as the sharks begin a feeding frenzy....so make sure you know what you are doing and be careful anyways.

And please don't call them "flamethrowers"....(for the above mentioned reasons) I like the term "Fire art" personally.

EvilDustBooger · Post by **EvilDustBooger** » Wed May 02, 2007 7:00 am

...and, from this day forward;
in order to not alarm any Homeland security forces -

"Doom" will be refered to as "caffeination" ...

...as in :

"Dude, see those massive "fire arts" over there?...we are SO fucking over-caffeinated "

I tell ya. Ya can`t never trust nobody.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed May 02, 2007 8:55 am

Laws often contradict one another.
And you need to know the case law as well as the original rules.
Often there is very little of the original law that still applies.
Cities often have laws that are totally unenforceable too.

I suggest research.
Proper cards and a letterhead is a good idea.
A flyer stating your plans and explaining the purpose and safety could go a long way if someone shows up.
We used to inform the police and fire of our little displays and they knew what it was.
No problems that way.
Just depends.

EspressoDude · Post by **EspressoDude** » Wed May 02, 2007 9:51 am

EvilDustBooger wrote:...and, from this day forward;
in order to not alarm any Homeland security forces -

"Doom" will be refered to as "caffeination" ...

...as in :

"Dude, see those massive "fire arts" over there?...we are SO fucking over-caffeinated "

I tell ya. Ya can`t never trust nobody.

Does this mean EspressoCamp is in deep "paperwork"? Or do we need to serve neutered de-caf espresso?

Post by **actiongrl** » Wed May 02, 2007 4:26 pm

Check it out, there's a whole page on the site about safe fire art and flame effects:

http://burningman.com/installations/cre ... s_art.html

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed May 02, 2007 5:05 pm

I need to trim some bushes on the other side of the canyon.

Post by **mdmf007** » Wed May 02, 2007 5:25 pm

I was told that unless the fuel is completely burned before hitting the ground is one of the differences between a flamethrower, and flame effect.

as far as what you can get away with - I would be willing you could get away with a lot. I dont see BATF agents, and BLM could care less.

later

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed May 02, 2007 5:55 pm

The atf recently arrested a kid here for blowing up 'explosive' devices on video on utube.
Belongs to rich parents, not accused of putting anyone in danger or planning to.

Feel safer yet.

They are bragging about spying on utube all the time.
I feel better.
I know I'm safe from teenage videos now.
Money well spent, I'm sure.

I wonder what they pay to monitor eplaya?

capjbadger · Post by **capjbadger** » Sat May 05, 2007 2:18 am

capjbadger wrote:Oooo.... Perfect!! A 24" flame would fit my project perfectly. Where did you see these Mozy?

Badger

*pokes Mozy*