Plastic or Paper

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Sat May 19, 2007 4:57 pm

Bull shit, Just charge 5¢ a bag and people will carry there owe bags to the store.. Or tax stores 5¢ for recycle..

Post by **mdmf007** » Sat May 19, 2007 6:35 pm

Plastic bags take less resources and energy to make and they both recycle. I bought my wife 6 canvas bags that have rigid bottoms. I think they should last the rest of our lives.

a dollar tax by the local municipaity for bags at a market for recycling programs would certainly get my vote. on say purchases over 50 bucks? not practical for AMPM to charge you for a bag for a bottle, or 5 candy bars and a soda.

jst my 2 cents
later

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Sat May 19, 2007 8:13 pm

I used to always ask for paper because at least they were biodegradeable. Then I would use some for trashbags. The rest went to recycling with the newspaper. I still use butter (ok, margarine) containers instead of buying rubbermaid for most things. And peanut-butter jars are great for all those spare screws and nails and other small parts in the shop. Recycling is not just taking it back to be made into something else. My favorite shampoo now comes in a bottle that is made so the top will not come off. WTF is up with that? Now the guy who might not recycle, but would otherwise find a use for the bottle is forced to throw it away and buy another container that he will eventually throw away also, if/when it is no longer needed.

The plastic bags that I now get get used as trash bags in various waste baskets I have around the house.

Next time I buy shampoo it will be a different brand.

MozyBonz · Post by **MozyBonz** » Sat May 19, 2007 8:29 pm

When they ask me I say *aluminum please* when they look at me funny. I say **NO?** ok then put it in my cloth bags then.
(pointing at the cloth bags in the basket)

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Sat May 19, 2007 9:59 pm

Box Burner wrote:My favorite shampoo now comes in a bottle that is made so the top will not come off. WTF is up with that?

Product safety crap.. makes it harder for the "terrorists" and "crazies out to get us" from tampering. This kind of shit is supposed to be done to damn near all the products in the near future. I read something about it in a manufacturing trade pub of all places. I'll post the pub if I can figure out which one it is. I get like 30 different free ones just to read about shit while shitting.

I'll admit it.. when I lived in Bucks Co PA we had a nice woodburning stove and I took paper to have something to help start a fire. IS THAT SO WRONG UNJON!!!

I use hemp bags because I didn't want to worry about having to ever replace them.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Sun May 20, 2007 7:22 am

Toolmaker wrote:

I'll admit it.. when I lived in Bucks Co PA we had a nice woodburning stove and I took paper to have something to help start a fire. IS THAT SO WRONG UNJON!!!

My kid has a sap spewing tree.. In the summer we get the sap that falls on the rocks.. About two tlb spoons of that and some small sticks make a great fire starter.. Or that old wooden toe of yours.. Has it fallen off yet??

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Sun May 20, 2007 12:49 pm

The SpringfieldOR Winco gives you a discount if you bring your own containers. Anything that the groceries will fit into. Could be a Roughtote, could be a duffel, could be a daypack, could be a market basket.

I agree, paper and plastic are both recyclable. I make papiÃ©r machÃ© items so I get paper bags fairly regularly.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Sun May 20, 2007 1:52 pm

unjonharley wrote:
Toolmaker wrote:

I'll admit it.. when I lived in Bucks Co PA we had a nice woodburning stove and I took paper to have something to help start a fire. IS THAT SO WRONG UNJON!!!
Or that old wooden toe of yours.. Has it fallen off yet??

The toe has gotten better as far as the break is concerned.. the nerve neuropathy/twitching and swelling shit is still goin on. I have been forcing myself to walk more and more.. I can get away with 4 hours of walking now. The past 2 weeks have been alot better so I just need to be careful I don't move or hit the nerve again. I basically gave up on the docs since they weren't doin shit for me. I hope to be off the long term disability and back to makin chips somewhere by next year.

Post by **mdmf007** » Sun May 20, 2007 6:02 pm

At our fire station we buy 1200-1500 a week in groceries. a few years back one of the fellas simply asked the albertsons if we can buy 8 carts (the amount of carts we buy every thursday morning). He said take em, so we load them all onto the liftgate of one of our equipment trucks, hoist them into the back, shop and reload in the same manner.

At the station we drop them all to the ground, and roll them into the agrage and pack the fridges, and freezers with the grub. it used to take about 40 bags a week, and the carts should last us forever.

I am trying to figure out how to do that at home, would save a ton of hassle, shop, drop back in the cart after paying, and take the whole mess home. -
later

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Sun May 20, 2007 6:08 pm

I'm swiching baskets on the transporter to a quick attach basket(BigK $14).. It is the size of two paper bags.. That plus hemp bags on the handle bars should do the trick..

Post by **AntiM** » Mon May 21, 2007 8:54 am

unjonharley wrote:I'm swiching baskets on the transporter to a quick attach basket(BigK $14).. It is the size of two paper bags.. That plus hemp bags on the handle bars should do the trick..

On my "shopping" bike in Japan, I had a basket up front, a quick release basket on the back fender, and two rigid wire side panniers which folded flat. The front basket took one light bag, weight threw off my steering. I could carry seven canvas bags worth of groceries plus whatever fit in my backpack. If mylarry was along, we doubled the payload and he could move far heavier items than I could. We're still using the canvas bags.

He got a three section antique tansu (stacking chests) home on his back and bike one day. It had just been thrown out and he had to grab it or someone else would have gotten it. yay bungee cords!

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Mon May 21, 2007 10:09 am

I am trying to figure out how to do that at home, would save a ton of hassle, shop, drop back in the cart after paying, and take the whole mess home. -

A friend of mine lived in Boston for a while and had no automobile. When I was out there, and I assume the rest of the time, he'd take a fold up shopping cart to the store with him. The basket was about three times bigger than the little hand baskets. Seemed like just about everyone there had those, filled them up, and walked them home. Even if you don't walk home it seems easy enough. If you want to get away from using bags this is one easy way.

Thecatman · Post by **Thecatman** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:38 pm

Prior to earth day 2006, the Albertson stores in northern Nevada sold some kind of canvas bag for ninety-nine cents and take five cents off the total for each bag. We bought two and half the time we forget to take them. The cahiers always need to be reminded to take the five cents off. We usally ask for paper. Some stores have barrels near the doors to dispose of plastic bags for recycling. At times my job duties require me to pick trash on I80 in the Reno area and 2/3 of the trash we pick is plastic grocery bags. I can't stand them. They don't stand up in the trunk as well as paper so your groceries are rolling around, they're not even that great for cleaning our cats litter boxes either. Personnally, I think the person who invented them needs one wraped around his/her neck.