I need help!

robbidobbs · Post by **robbidobbs** » Sat May 19, 2007 3:21 am

mdm,
I love you.

Me2 · Post by **Me2** » Mon May 21, 2007 12:02 am

I'm going to put myself way out on a limb here and say that Burners are no different to anyone else on the planet.

What i mean by that is your all just trying to fill some void in your life. Everybody operates out of lack. It is lack of something or someone that creates desire and then we're all constantly trying to fulfill that desire.

Desire desires to be desired.

Some ppl choose to fill the void with religion, some choose drugs, some choose art....or all...or none.

Some say everybody's completely different, and i'd have to agree...but in a lot of ways we're all the same as well.

Random thoughts spewing out into emptiness.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon May 21, 2007 12:18 am

I think you need to go.
What you should try to figure out is why people that should go, don't.
Why are there sedate people that have to be there?
And they are there no matter what.

Me?
I wasn't converted.
I was born to burn.

The great difficulty in attending for most, separates the casual from...?

Post by **mdmf007** » Mon May 21, 2007 8:50 am

Love you too Robbidobbs

dana · Post by **dana** » Mon May 21, 2007 11:30 am

Me2 wrote:I'm going to put myself way out on a limb here and say that Burners are no different to anyone else on the planet.

What i mean by that is your all just trying to fill some void in your life. Everybody operates out of lack. It is lack of something or someone that creates desire and then we're all constantly trying to fulfill that desire.

Desire desires to be desired.

Some ppl choose to fill the void with religion, some choose drugs, some choose art....or all...or none.

Some say everybody's completely different, and i'd have to agree...but in a lot of ways we're all the same as well.

Random thoughts spewing out into emptiness.

If you made a list of everything you want and in the next moment it all appeared, how long would it be before you wanted something else? That's not a void per se.

So.... maybe lack, but also novelty, growth, experimentation, challenge, altered states (not necessarily drug related), etc.

"born to burn"!!!

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Mon May 21, 2007 11:34 am

Me2 wrote:
helitack wrote:My question might be:
"are term papers, written at the university level, about a camping trip, worth the time and effort?"

If u view it as a 'camping trip' than no probably not. However if u view it as an experiment in community, as self-expression on steriods, as a place outside of the time-space continuum... than yes, just maybe it is worth exploring on a different front.

um, Me2, if you plan on writing, maybe you can practice spelling the words out completely... like... "you", instead of "u"

i hope this helps.

dana · Post by **dana** » Mon May 21, 2007 11:41 am

or mebbe itz just findun new voids taht need to be scratched...

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Mon May 21, 2007 11:43 am

joel the ornery wrote:
um, Me2, if you plan on writing, maybe you can practice spelling the words out completely... like... "you", instead of "u"

i hope this helps.

aNd dOn'T dO tHiS eItHeR. iT rEaLly aNnOyS tHe sHiT oUt oF pEoPlE.

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Mon May 21, 2007 11:58 am

sputnik wrote:
joel the ornery wrote:
um, Me2, if you plan on writing, maybe you can practice spelling the words out completely... like... "you", instead of "u"

i hope this helps.
aNd dOn'T dO tHiS eItHeR. iT rEaLly aNnOyS tHe sHiT oUt oF pEoPlE.

fUcKiNg AyE!!! RiGhT iT aNnOyS tHe ShIt OuT oF tHeM.

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Mon May 21, 2007 4:16 pm

haha

Me2 wrote:I'm going to put myself way out on a limb here and say that Burners are no different to anyone else on the planet.

What i mean by that is your all just trying to fill some void in your life. Everybody operates out of lack. It is lack of something or someone that creates desire and then we're all constantly trying to fulfill that desire.

Desire desires to be desired.

Some ppl choose to fill the void with religion, some choose drugs, some choose art....or all...or none.

Some say everybody's completely different, and i'd have to agree...but in a lot of ways we're all the same as well.

Random thoughts spewing out into emptiness.

Me2 · Post by **Me2** » Tue May 22, 2007 4:42 pm

So much for "radical inclusion"! We're all just a tad touchy aren't we? Especially over trivial grammatic bla bla.

Is it really that hard to have a meaningful conversation without personal quips? Build a bridge and get over yourselves.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Tue May 22, 2007 4:45 pm

Hey, we put up with these guys, don't we?

dana · Post by **dana** » Tue May 22, 2007 6:08 pm

gyre wrote:Hey, we put up with these guys, don't we?

If it got any more radical we'd all be.....

married?

Me2 · Post by **Me2** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:48 pm

You're funny!!

dana · Post by **dana** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:23 pm

Me2 wrote:You're funny!!

Thanks.

New avatar huh? The dark angel.
a bit of a change from the sexy wink!

One of your previous posts made me start thinking more of utopian ideas. I'll give you a post soon. (It's building.....)

Me2 · Post by **Me2** » Sun May 27, 2007 3:11 am

I'm still working the whole avatar thing out...it's hard to find pictures that i like that fit within the pixel count. The sexy wink just doesn't feel right any more, time to move on maybe?

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sun May 27, 2007 4:19 am

Do you know what they make australian beer from?

Me2 · Post by **Me2** » Sun May 27, 2007 6:23 pm

Is that a trick question?

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sun May 27, 2007 6:27 pm

Kangaroo hops.

Me2 · Post by **Me2** » Tue May 29, 2007 1:47 am

That's so lame, but so funny!

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:47 am

oh, geeze. that IS funny!!

Me2 · Post by **Me2** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:11 am

One of your previous posts made me start thinking more of utopian ideas. I'll give you a post soon. (It's building.....)

Still anticipating...*yawn*.

dana · Post by **dana** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:10 am

Me2 wrote:
One of your previous posts made me start thinking more of utopian ideas. I'll give you a post soon. (It's building.....)
Still anticipating...*yawn*.

Sorry I got a little distracted. Lately I'm thinking less about utopia and more about the revolution, trading Hume for Sun Tzu. I got coups to create!!

Well let me see if I can remember the thought thread. I think it was your comment on Radical Inclusion that got me going. Because at first I was wondering whether Bman had really that much to do with any kind of utopian ideals. But then I realized that really is one of the many underlying threads that makes up the experience. It tends to get drowned out, overwhelmed by other "threads".

Then that tangent turned into thinking about what really makes utopian reading interesting, the best part. And that is how it deals with all of the disparate human tendencies, how this "utopian group" somehow holds together in the face of things that would pull it apart. You see the crux is simple. You have this group who is trying to pull together and hold onto some utopian ideal - "peace, love and understanding" or whatever. So the group tends to have to be a little exclusive, (like Mormons or something living in their compounds with their multiple wives.... or maybe some new age group or christian offshoot armed to the teeth ready for armageddon.) But that's not a healthy sustainable system, being isolated like that. Growth seems essential, so you need new input. But the outside influence has the potential to tear the group apart, dilute its aims and ideals.
So how do you fit human craziness into a utopian society. Do you spend much of your energy trying to get everyone to be compliant? Be nice? Or can that utopia somehow embrace the craziness. Take for instance the book Ecotopia. They had this one part I thought was kind of cool - the ritual war games. Two big armies would face off for ritual warfare. (Kind of like the natives of New Guinea who have ritual warfare in which people sometimes get hurt but rarely killed.)
Then I started considering how all of that pans out at Bman. If you get there eventually you will see that there is some "peace love and understanding" but you'll also encounter some really crazy anarchistic nutzo types, some of them who like to use bullhorns to communicate. There's the Death guild and Thunderdome (should be popular with you Aussies!!) In short you could find yourself very easily getting into some unpleasant confrontations with some people. Not exactly utopian you might think. But then you go back to that idea of Radical Inclusion. And you also see those people as someone who kind of tests your limits, who will take the measure of whether you really need to take a stand or whether you can just smile and walk on by. Because in the end it still ends up that the really wierd success of Bman is how well it does manage to fit all of these odd folks in together at the same time.

I think that was the gist of it.

So really it may be more of what I'm dealing with right now anyway. The game of war, in which we find out more of who we are.

Me2 · Post by **Me2** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:57 pm

You're FABULOUS!

Thanks for your response. My question is, in all that conglomerate of weirdness and wonder is there a sense of overall peace and harmony?...sounds like there is. To me utopia is an ideal, not necessarily a reality. Something just beyond the edge of possibility we're meant to strive for. Does this fit with BM?

dana · Post by **dana** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:38 pm

I'd say so. But you have to understand part of that is simply a party/vacation atmosphere rather than a true utopian influence. But there is a sense of trying something different, experimental living and that amorphous ideal of the possible future that does have an impact.

Its funny though, it still comes down to your own perspective, whatever you bring to it.

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:15 pm

That was a very nice post dana,

It seems to me that we need some measure of those extremes to maintain a healthy balance. I've always been amazed at how BRC does have all these aspects thriving in one relatively small spot and somehow it works.

I went to a wonderful place after the burn in'04; a tucked away little hot spring spot that a sort of commune had grown around. I really enjoyed the always-quiet lull of it and it would have been easy to just stay there... for a long time. But while there, I met folks who actually had lived there for years. It struck me how "out there" they were to my current perspective. I got the distinct impression that they would really have a hard time functioning outside that environment without some serious culture shock and work to reintegrate. Too much of a good thing, I guess. Now I think it should also be noted that there seem to be a whole lot of people around who are just as immersed the other way in the default world and could use some hot spring therapy for about a month.

So it can be bad at either end of the swing and it seems important to strive for balance. Loud party, quiet zones, peace, warfare, fire, water... BRC has that balance functioning pretty well, and I think that' a sign of a healthy community.

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:15 pm

Me2 wrote:You're FABULOUS!

Thanks for your response. My question is, in all that conglomerate of weirdness and wonder is there a sense of overall peace and harmony?...sounds like there is. To me utopia is an ideal, not necessarily a reality. Something just beyond the edge of possibility we're meant to strive for. Does this fit with BM?

No

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:22 pm

Me2 wrote:You're FABULOUS!

Thanks for your response. My question is, in all that conglomerate of weirdness and wonder is there a sense of overall peace and harmony?...sounds like there is. To me utopia is an ideal, not necessarily a reality. Something just beyond the edge of possibility we're meant to strive for. Does this fit with BM?

Yeah, I think this does fit with BM. At least I think so right now. I may change my mind back and forth depending on when you ask. But I do believe that Burning Man carries the potential for enormous social change for the better. It does make you want to strive to do things... and do them for others and yourself too.

Peace and harmony are pretty easy to find. And the "warfare and anger" is just around the corner, but even those parts are not meant to harm. It's like a pressure relief valve for the spirit, maybe. I'll maintain the belief that its all for the bettering of us all.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:46 pm

You have more control over your life at burning man than the whole rest of the year.
It is empowering, especially if you are out building something.

The experience of so much choice,
you'll have to tell us what that does to you.

robbidobbs · Post by **robbidobbs** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:15 am

Just don't fuck with my immediate experience, and we'll get along fine.

RobbiDobbs clear
(this will be my ninth (9th) year.