Burning Man as Spiritual Outlet?

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:56 pm

Looks spirited to me.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:51 pm

Bob wrote:

Fucking PeTA ruins everything.

Why is it that people have to get naked to make a statement?

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:40 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
Bob wrote:

Fucking PeTA ruins everything.
Why is it that people have to get naked to make a statement?

Because in the case of PeTA their ideas are so asinine that tits and ass is about the only way they're going to get their message out.

If you really want to learn more about PeTA I strongly suggest you start here:

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:58 pm

not all of them are naked. Their wearing thongs.

PETA now you anti-peta can go around and say,

"PETA suffocates Beavers!"

Sorry Archanteal, I believe there are more important issues then PETA.

What is your position on including them into the patriot act as terrorists?

AIIZ

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:40 pm

I'll agree there are many more important issues but these nutjobs like to stick banners up on bridges around here messing up traffic. And if it jacks with traffic it gets my time and attention anyway so this is just another logical extension of that.

As for considering them terrorists I've lumped them into that classification for years now.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:27 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote: Why is it that people have to get naked to make a statement?

Primal attractants: nudity & fire.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:23 am

When they quit supporting the animal liberation front,
it may be possible to take them seriously.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:52 pm

Archantael wrote: As for considering them terrorists I've lumped them into that classification for years now.

I forgot your take on the Patriots Act. Can't you please tell me what you feel about it and if Extremist Animal Rights groups should be included in it.

I would prefer to call them vandals, since I define a terrorist to be exclusionary in their targets.

But first you opinion on the Patriot Act

AIIZ

Green Wood · Post by **Green Wood** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:51 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
Archantael wrote: As for considering them terrorists I've lumped them into that classification for years now.
I forgot your take on the Patriots Act. Can't you please tell me what you feel about it and if Extremist Animal Rights groups should be included in it.

I would prefer to call them vandals, since I define a terrorist to be exclusionary in their targets.

But first you opinion on the Patriot Act

AIIZ

I too would like to hear archantael's answer too!

I find the patriot act an act of facism from the fucking Nazi Bush administration.

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:42 pm

My opinion on the Patriot Act is not important. And there's more important issues to attend to than this one. Time to move on....

itwazed · Post by **itwazed** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:09 pm

For me burning man brings me to a more primal meeting with God then traditional church services or organized sirtual retreats. The combination of the natrul setting, the factor of the weather, the experiance of the collective and invidual energy can in my experiance bring close both the divine and demonic; or maybe a better term would be the yin and yang.
The range and depth of emotional and/or spirtual moments on the playa are life altering. We are brought closer to the universe and express that through whatever belief system we use to comprehend the deeper questions of life.
The openness and curiosity of we as participants only increases the sense of joy and understanding that turns a little dusty dirt patch in the middle of nowhere into a model city and society...not that it cant be ugly, cliquesh, and harsh; but it can also be just, equal, and free; in a sense each year we have an opportunity to get a glimpse at a dusty, crazy, very very Human new jerasulam.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:01 pm

itwazed wrote:For me burning man brings me to a more primal meeting with God then traditional church services or organized sirtual retreats. The combination of the natrul setting, the factor of the weather, the experiance of the collective and invidual energy can in my experiance bring close both the divine and demonic; or maybe a better term would be the yin and yang.
The range and depth of emotional and/or spirtual moments on the playa are life altering. We are brought closer to the universe and express that through whatever belief system we use to comprehend the deeper questions of life.
The openness and curiosity of we as participants only increases the sense of joy and understanding that turns a little dusty dirt patch in the middle of nowhere into a model city and society...not that it cant be ugly, cliquesh, and harsh; but it can also be just, equal, and free; in a sense each year we have an opportunity to get a glimpse at a dusty, crazy, very very Human new jerasulam.

Oh! You're discussing spirituality. I got confused there for a second.

itwazed · Post by **itwazed** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:50 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:
itwazed wrote:For me burning man brings me to a more primal meeting with God then traditional church services or organized sirtual retreats. The combination of the natrul setting, the factor of the weather, the experiance of the collective and invidual energy can in my experiance bring close both the divine and demonic; or maybe a better term would be the yin and yang.
The range and depth of emotional and/or spirtual moments on the playa are life altering. We are brought closer to the universe and express that through whatever belief system we use to comprehend the deeper questions of life.
The openness and curiosity of we as participants only increases the sense of joy and understanding that turns a little dusty dirt patch in the middle of nowhere into a model city and society...not that it cant be ugly, cliquesh, and harsh; but it can also be just, equal, and free; in a sense each year we have an opportunity to get a glimpse at a dusty, crazy, very very Human new jerasulam.
Oh! You're discussing spirituality. I got confused there for a second.

sorry, i get a bit testamonail after herbally self medicating...what i meant to say was; SEX, DRUGS, AND ROCKIN MUTHER FUCKIN ROLL....woo hoo

itwazed · Post by **itwazed** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:31 pm

itwazed wrote:
Ugly Dougly wrote:
itwazed wrote:For me burning man brings me to a more primal meeting with God then traditional church services or organized sirtual retreats. The combination of the natrul setting, the factor of the weather, the experiance of the collective and invidual energy can in my experiance bring close both the divine and demonic; or maybe a better term would be the yin and yang.
The range and depth of emotional and/or spirtual moments on the playa are life altering. We are brought closer to the universe and express that through whatever belief system we use to comprehend the deeper questions of life.
The openness and curiosity of we as participants only increases the sense of joy and understanding that turns a little dusty dirt patch in the middle of nowhere into a model city and society...not that it cant be ugly, cliquesh, and harsh; but it can also be just, equal, and free; in a sense each year we have an opportunity to get a glimpse at a dusty, crazy, very very Human new jerasulam.
Oh! You're discussing spirituality. I got confused there for a second.
sorry, i get a bit testamonail after herbally self medicating...what i meant to say was; SEX, DRUGS, AND ROCKIN MUTHER FUCKIN ROLL....woo hoo

I sometimes forget sarcasm is the lowest form of wit....

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:35 pm

Archantael wrote:My opinion on the Patriot Act is not important. And there's more important issues to attend to than this one. Time to move on....

No you are a long time member of this community and your opinion does matter especially on one of the most important issues to us that only the Iraq war is of greater importance. But then again, if animals are more
important then people that are terrorized by white supremists, then you are one fucked up person.

Just kidding, there may be more then just one fuck up person!

And you thanks for your plagerism- its quite complementary

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:38 pm

I sometimes forget sarcasm is the lowest form of wit....

Are you saying that because it makes for a good bumper sticker statement or do you believe it?

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:06 pm

AZ, the Patriot Act is something I'm more familiar with than most on this board. My current career path is tied to the people who enforce parts of it in a supporting role on a daily basis...and while there are parts of it I think overstep, there are some parts that are sound financial policy and were long overdue changes. In short....I'm split on it politically but personally it's helped pay the bills. That would tip my position to slightly being in favor of it. But just barely.

itwazed · Post by **itwazed** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:18 pm

Badger wrote:
I sometimes forget sarcasm is the lowest form of wit....
Are you saying that because it makes for a good bumper sticker statement or do you believe it?

probably both...most of what i believe would make a good bumper sticker

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:50 am

There have been years I have subsisted almost entirely on caffeine and sarcasm.

Post by **mdmf007** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:40 pm

Archantael wrote:I'm split on it politically but personally it's helped pay the bills. That would tip my position to slightly being in favor of it. But just barely.

doesnt make it right, I agree with you Ach - I believe broader invesitgatory powers are required, but also believe that terry stops, and the poweres given are too broad. As you know it is possible for LEO;s to get

phone records
payment histories
credit information
account information
and PHONE TAPS
plus more

all unwarranted by a court - this has to stop. In my opinion it is just another step that gives up civil liberties. Every right we give up is makes the next step easier. We get acclimated to the situation and when it becomes status quo. we lose another liberty, get used to the loss of that one and on and on...

I believe that the constitution and bill of rights is static, obvioulsy things change and laws need to be updated as society changes but privacy, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is the base.

just my 2 cents

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:09 pm

I absolutely agree and they have been over stepping their own rules.
You should have nightmares over the intrusive power they want.
I fear people that think this way more than any outside enemy.

If power can be abused, it will be.
Always.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:16 pm

Archantael wrote:AZ, the Patriot Act is something I'm more familiar with than most on this board. My current career path is tied to the people who enforce parts of it in a supporting role on a daily basis...and while there are parts of it I think overstep, there are some parts that are sound financial policy and were long overdue changes. In short....I'm split on it politically but personally it's helped pay the bills. That would tip my position to slightly being in favor of it. But just barely.

Your point is well made and duely accepted!

As I have stated before, anyone, including environmentalists, animal right groups or anyone taking a position of violence or destruction hurt those movements that are of noble causes. Law that are enacted that generalize groups and destroy the rights of its citizens placing them into oblivious states of non-recognition under the law are anti-democratic and only serve to hurt the nation of which seeks its protected. When checks and balances are in place to protect the citizens from terrorization from corrupt LEOs who use the law to peek into their lifes under the no-warrent period.

If the Romanâ€™s had thought of the potential of such a law, would have St Peter be alive to make his way back to Rome or would he had been hung on a cross? But in his time Roman Citizenship made more friends then enemies which is why they wouldnâ€™t have even thought of such a fascist law.

why do LEOs fight the Manditory Polygraph tests that congress has tried to enact as a way of fighting double spys and infiltrators?????????

Who is next, Street Gangs, Wise Use Groups and Hate Groups? Their terror is well known and recorded as a form of terrorism.

AIIZ

PS- Fuckâ€™n Love You Archie!

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:57 pm

Spying on the mail goes back a long way in the uk.
It may have been practiced by the romans.

itwazed · Post by **itwazed** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:00 pm

gyre wrote:Spying on the mail goes back a long way in the uk.
It may have been practiced by the romans.

we may able to blame pretty much all of the problems of modern politics on either the romans or the nazis...ohh and dont forget the Catholic Church.

Green Wood · Post by **Green Wood** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:40 pm

Archantael wrote:but personally it's helped pay the bills.

Whore!

Money is how they get you to sell your soul

Have you ever caught a fellow agent breaking the law?

Have you ever turned them in?

Me2 · Post by **Me2** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:09 pm

Archantael wrote:AZ, the Patriot Act is something I'm more familiar with than most on this board. My current career path is tied to the people who enforce parts of it in a supporting role on a daily basis...and while there are parts of it I think overstep, there are some parts that are sound financial policy and were long overdue changes. In short....I'm split on it politically but personally it's helped pay the bills. That would tip my position to slightly being in favor of it. But just barely.

What's the Patriot Act??

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:22 pm

Pretty much the same as the Homeland Security Act in germany in 1938.
A seizure of power by the government in the name of national security.

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:25 pm

Patriot Act from WikiPedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:07 pm

It also gives the military personal information on all juveniles in the usa for the purpose of recruitment.

Many libraries now routinely destroy records.

Me2 · Post by **Me2** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:42 am

Wow! That's kind of scary. I knew your government had a reputation for thinking they were the world police, but I had no idea they were so far down the track towards a military state, ie. their ability to override civil liberties and pretty much do whatever the hell they like.

It must be hard to stomach.