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Post by robotland » Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:17 am

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When doing the final shaping of sheet metal use a planishing hammer. .
Did you know that there's no such thing as a used planishing hammer? Nor are there secondhand cross-peen hammers. In all the years of flea markets and antique stores, I have NEVER run across a single specimen of either. Perhaps the same people buy them that buy perfectly good used anvils and then use them as yard decorations. *sigh*
YES, I can buy 'em new...I just like the patina of the old ones, and the (literally) hand-polished wooden handles.

That surface- The one you're flattening your metal piece out on- Can be a piece of nice steel scrap...I found a wonderful billet of stainless while walking the train tracks a while back. For a round surface try an old bowling ball set in a round piece of wood or metal. (I use a steel ring from the brake on a railroad car wheel.) For tighter rounds, the safety cap from an acetylene cylinder is great, especially when stabilized by filling it with lead. My travel version is a lead-filled fencepost cap. This can be mounted for ease of use by drilling out and then screwing on a cast-iron floor flange. (Caution with high-speed drilling and drill cuttings- Sweep up and dispose of lead properly!)
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Post by robotland » Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:21 am

diane o'thirst wrote:Anyone got a line on a wireless microphone headset to transmit speech to a battery-powered speaker?

Radio Shack??
It wouldn't happen to have to fit into a big wolf's head, would it? On the trash end of the spectrum you could adapt a Hallowe'en Voice Changer, although they're not wireless....Ditto a cheapo megaphone. (Harbor Freight had 'em for dirt cheap...explains why so many idiots on the playa have them.)
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Post by gyre » Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:45 pm

There is a whole collectors market for interesting looking tools.
Same bastards who bought ferraris for investment and drove up the prices on vintage cars.
They then stored them in careless ways and lost fortunes.
Prices never have come back to reality.
Bastards.
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Post by Toolmaker » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:27 pm

robotland wrote:
Box Burner wrote:Image

When doing the final shaping of sheet metal use a planishing hammer. .
Did you know that there's no such thing as a used planishing hammer? Nor are there secondhand cross-peen hammers. In all the years of flea markets and antique stores, I have NEVER run across a single specimen of either.
I have.. only once at the Swap Shop in Ft Lauderdale. Its a really large flea thats open all week. I'll keep my eyes peeled for eplayans next time I go through there. I wind up passing by so many nice old tools in great shape that I don't buy for lack of tool storage.
robotland wrote:That surface- The one you're flattening your metal piece out on- Can be a piece of nice steel scrap...I found a wonderful billet of stainless while walking the train tracks a while back. For a round surface try an old bowling ball set in a round piece of wood or metal. (I use a steel ring from the brake on a railroad car wheel.) For tighter rounds, the safety cap from an acetylene cylinder is great, especially when stabilized by filling it with lead. My travel version is a lead-filled fencepost cap. This can be mounted for ease of use by drilling out and then screwing on a cast-iron floor flange. (Caution with high-speed drilling and drill cuttings- Sweep up and dispose of lead properly!)
I have lost track of how many homemade tools I have made over the years in the metalworking trade. Some small just for deburring and others for forming sheetmetal. I have found torching and bending wrenches can be handy for some hard to get to bolts during auto repairs.
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Post by Bin Noddin » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:56 pm

robotland wrote: ...I just like the patina of the old ones, and the (literally) hand-polished wooden handles.
That's why my father's old hammer is one of my most cherished possessions - his hands made it that way.
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Post by robotland » Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:19 am

I learned that when I bring my favorite wooden-handled tools to the playa the week spent in that environment is equal to YEARS of default-world abuse...A light oiling of steel surfaces and tung oil on wooden handles helps somewhat. (The wood dries out so badly that the grain pops and it gives you blisters!)
Some "less cherished" tools just get a coat of yellow spraypaint, which helps distinguish them from others' toys during Group Tool Play. My sets of letter/number stamps are especially vulnerable and may get a spray this year. Lots of nooks and crannies for playa dust to hide in.
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Post by unjonharley » Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:31 am

robotland wrote:I learned that when I bring my favorite wooden-handled tools to the playa the week spent in that environment is equal to YEARS of default-world abuse...A light oiling of steel surfaces and tung oil on wooden handles helps somewhat. (The wood dries out so badly that the grain pops and it gives you blisters!)
Some "less cherished" tools just get a coat of yellow spraypaint, which helps distinguish them from others' toys during Group Tool Play. My sets of letter/number stamps are especially vulnerable and may get a spray this year. Lots of nooks and crannies for playa dust to hide in.
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I find that applying anything to wooden handles is bad for my hands.. So if they get rough I strap them with peace of glass.. If they get to dry and shrink just soak in a bucket of water and redress the wood with glass.. Some times it takes a light oil where the handle and metal mix..

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Post by gyre » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:27 am

Glass?
How?

I use a coat of high resin polyurethane varnish with a top coat.
I almost never get blisters with the smooth surface.
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Post by unjonharley » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:56 am

gyre wrote:Glass?
How?

I use a coat of high resin polyurethane varnish with a top coat.
I almost never get blisters with the smooth surface.
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Varnish and poly-plastic burn my hands..

Broken glass it widly use in making fine wood instruments.. By breaking it to shape and used as a draw plane.. Then it is a matter of touch as to how deep the cut.. So you use a light strapping motion..
The sound of a violin depends on the thickness of the wood in different areas..

We had a blind man up the road from our farm that hand made violins.. Strange when you learn some thing as a boy and use it the rest of your life..

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Post by Box Burner » Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:10 am

robotland wrote:
Box Burner wrote:Image

When doing the final shaping of sheet metal use a planishing hammer. .
Did you know that there's no such thing as a used planishing hammer?

That surface- The one you're flattening your metal piece out on- Can be a piece of nice steel scrap...I found a wonderful billet of stainless while walking the train tracks a while back. For a round surface try an old bowling ball set in a round piece of wood or metal. (I use a steel ring from the brake on a railroad car wheel.) For tighter rounds, the safety cap from an acetylene cylinder is great, especially when stabilized by filling it with lead. My travel version is a lead-filled fencepost cap. This can be mounted for ease of use by drilling out and then screwing on a cast-iron floor flange. (Caution with high-speed drilling and drill cuttings- Sweep up and dispose of lead properly!)
I have a bowling ball with an 18" long piece of 3/4" galvanized pipe screwed into the thumb hole that serves as both a hammer and an anvil for shaping sheet metal.

I aquired a couple of plannishing hammers from the tool room in a nuclear power plant while doing a rad survey of the tool bins. They had a droor full of them and they were all brand new. The guys in the toolroom didn't know what they were called or what they were for. They let me take a couple since nobody had ever checked one out.
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Post by unjonharley » Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:21 am

robotland wrote:
I have a bowling ball with an 18" long piece of 3/4" galvanized pipe screwed into the thumb hole that serves as both a hammer and an anvil for shaping sheet metal.
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Great idea.. My cobblers bench is a short saw horse with a RR tie on top.. I can beat the hell out of stuff on it.. So a bowling ball will go nicely.. But I gave you a shapeing anvil?

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Post by gyre » Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:24 am

It's interesting that some places use metal detectors for weapons.
No metal scalpel can approach the edge of certain glass or crystal knives.
I have never heard of glass used this way, but it makes sense.
A friend of mine planes by the thousandths of an inch.
The ultimate wood surface.
Even with varnish, the smoother the better to start with.

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Post by Box Burner » Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:29 am

unjonharley wrote:
robotland wrote:
I have a bowling ball with an 18" long piece of 3/4" galvanized pipe screwed into the thumb hole that serves as both a hammer and an anvil for shaping sheet metal.
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Great idea.. My cobblers bench is a short saw horse with a RR tie on top.. I can beat the hell out of stuff on it.. So a bowling ball will go nicely.. But I gave you a shapeing anvil?
I use the tools for making medieval armour. The bowling ball is used as a hammer first, then as an anvil for plannishing. In adition I have Several sizes of steel balls that were once used as ore crushers. These also have lenbths of steel pipe welded to them and serve both as hammers and anvils. (Or I should correctly say anvil stakes.) Also have half a dozen hinge pins salveged from a backhoe.
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Post by phil » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:03 am

Here's some materials recycling:
http://www.weirdasianews.com/2007/06/08 ... hot-water/

The guy has 66 beer bottles on his roof set up so that water flows from beer bottle #1 through all the bottles to beer bottle #66, then to his shower. Three people get enough hot water for a daily shower.

The beer bottles are green (isn't this the year of the green man?), but maybe brown would get hotter? So be green, recycle your beer bottles, and start with 66 bottles of beer on the roof, 66 bottles of beer.

(The comments after the article are pretty snarky.)

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Post by robotland » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:42 am

unjonharley wrote:
robotland wrote:
I have a bowling ball with an 18" long piece of 3/4" galvanized pipe screwed into the thumb hole that serves as both a hammer and an anvil for shaping sheet metal.
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Great idea.. My cobblers bench is a short saw horse with a RR tie on top.. I can beat the hell out of stuff on it.. So a bowling ball will go nicely.. But I gave you a shapeing anvil?
That you did! And it's getting mounted on the side of my Playatags Portable Workbench unit, which I'm waiting to build until I see how much room I'll have in the car. I'll probably make it from 2"x6" so it's heavy enough to pound on without falling apart, and mount it on the remains of a golfbag carrier for easy travel. (Possibly a bike hitch for towing.)
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Post by phil » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:30 am

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scascot/56 ... 391051179/
for more photos of the playa-ready margarita mixer:
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DIY classes in Menlo Park for welding, milling, laser etching, cold-metal shaping, and much more:
http://www.techshop.ws/take_classes.html

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Post by gyre » Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:58 am

Cool rig.

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Post by phil » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:19 am

Re-use your shopping bags from the supermarket:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mleak/3245 ... otostream/

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More photos of the dress in the poster's stream. (Uh, I can only imagine what it's like wearing plastic clothes on the playa, but hey - it's recycled and it's the Green Man year.)

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Post by diane o'thirst » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:55 pm

robotland wrote:It wouldn't happen to have to fit into a big wolf's head, would it? On the trash end of the spectrum you could adapt a Hallowe'en Voice Changer, although they're not wireless....Ditto a cheapo megaphone. (Harbor Freight had 'em for dirt cheap...explains why so many idiots on the playa have them.)
Actually, it'd fit into a big wolf's chest...my hand goes in the head...

I thought about a Hallowe'en voice changer but they're so cheesy. I'm talking about the Tia Dalma transformation sequence in POTC:AWE cheesy. I've been practicing NtP's voice for the past six months and I WON'T have it wrecked by a piece of plastic Chinese junk...

Maybe I'll mount a microphone under her rainshed and just talk into it...wish I had the money to do a Waldo unit with a wireless transmitter, like they do in movie special effects...
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