Starting a charitable organization
Starting a charitable organization
Anyone know how to? And for that matter, anyone want in? Several hundred friends and I are going on a mission to [downer alert] help mentally disabled children in Iraq.
Get an attorney and form a 501c3 Non-Profit organization. If your plan is a good one, you should be able to get an attorney to do this pro-bono.
Please check this out with the State Department first or at least do the homework to make sure you really are going to be an asset and not a liability.
I think you need to do lots and lots of checking to be sure the funds are really going where they should and being used for only and exactly what they were donated for.
Is there some reason you can't have this project sponsored by an existing organization to save additional administrative costs and expenses?
Please check this out with the State Department first or at least do the homework to make sure you really are going to be an asset and not a liability.
I think you need to do lots and lots of checking to be sure the funds are really going where they should and being used for only and exactly what they were donated for.
Is there some reason you can't have this project sponsored by an existing organization to save additional administrative costs and expenses?
Thanks so much for the advice! Making sure the money is going where we intend it to go is our first hurdle to jump. These poor kids had beds, food, clothes & medicine, all of which was being sold by the people running the orphanage. It's our #1 concern, and we're looking into our options.mojo wrote:Get an attorney and form a 501c3 Non-Profit organization. If your plan is a good one, you should be able to get an attorney to do this pro-bono.
Please check this out with the State Department first or at least do the homework to make sure you really are going to be an asset and not a liability.
I think you need to do lots and lots of checking to be sure the funds are really going where they should and being used for only and exactly what they were donated for.
Is there some reason you can't have this project sponsored by an existing organization to save additional administrative costs and expenses?
As far as why we can't find another organization, I honestly just couldn't find one that was for the children over there. This whole idea only started today, so answers are few & far between so far, but if we can find a charity that already does something like this, we'll be more than happy to just go that route.
As far as administrative costs, there's already several hundred of us ready to do whatever we can, I don't know what kind of 'cost' would be involved as none of us seek or expect to be paid for any of this, but again, we have no idea what we're doing thus far, we just want to help. Thank you again though!
I don't know what your politics are, but you might try these guys:
April 23, 2006
An Orphanage is being created by Iraqi Ex Patriot and Ex Gulf War veteran team. Work has already started to create the first of hopefully many safe residences for Iraqi children.
An unlikely team of an Iraqi national who now resides in Scotland, and an Ex Gulf War veteran have teamed together to open what is believed to be the first orphanage to open since the beginning of the American led invasion of Iraq.
Ahmad Rustam and Steve Cooke are asking people to donate funds (or fund-raising events) to the orphanage appeal
more details can be found on http://www.baghdadorphanage.org which also has a link to the Baghdad Blog.
Ahmad left for Baghdad on the 7th April 2006, flying into Syria and taking the hazardous road to Baghdad from there.
It is expected that within 2 months, 15 of Baghdad's street children will be in a safe environment thanks to the generosity of this unbelievable humane man.
The Orphanage will require at least $30,000 to fund, and already money has started to come in with little promotion.
Steve has organised a Golf Event at Gleneagles, where by irony the G8 summit was held in 2005, more details on this event can be found on http://www.baghdadorphanage.org This event is expected to raise about $8000.
Scottish Actor and film director David Hayman and sidekick Rony Bridges have already raised and donated $4000 towards the project which has meant that Ahmad has been able to purchase generators and other smaller items for the Orphanage.
Ahmad himself was forced to leave Iraq in 1978 due to the nature of the Regime and how it treated its opponents. He arrived in the UK to further his education. Ahmad later met his wife in Scotland, where they settled down and had their daughter who was born in Glasgow.
Upon the collapse of the regime in April 2003, having been deprived of his homeland, Ahmad felt the need to return to Baghdad, which he did in July 2003.
A further two visits in Feb. and Sept. 2004, revealed the absolute need for Iraq to be helped in many ways. What was obviously the most desperate need, was to help the children of this devastated country.
After regaining possession of the family home in Baghdad, the decision was made to open its doors as a shelter for the orphaned street children of Baghdad and for Ahmad to go over to Iraq and make it happen.
Renovation work has already started on the house to get it ready for its new purpose, and Ahmad is in daily contact with the team in Scotland
Steve Cooke, served in the Royal Air Force from 1983-95. His tours included Northern Ireland in 1994 at the height of the troubles, and most notably he was on the first aircraft sent out to the Gulf in 1990 when Saddam Hussain invaded Kuwait, where he served in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and on the Iraqi Border with the HSFME (Helicopter Support Flight Middle East.)
He was part of MCSU (Mobile Catering Support Unit) and in 1991 was Involved in 'operation safe haven' in Kurdistan, helping to feed terrified people.
Steve believes the war in Iraq was not only Illegal, but also immoral, and the innocent victims now deserve as much help as we can possibly give them" .
In January 2005 Steve went to Sri Lanka to the Tamil lowlands and helped many Victims of the Tsunami and set up a fund-raising group called World Disaster Help http://www.worlddisasterhelp.org http://www.worlddisasterhelp.org .
He also has a Barbers Shop in St Andrews Scotland, that donated about 1 Dollar a Haircut and gives away a 'Free Nip of Whisky' to Customers!
If you are a member of a club, organisation, church or a generous individual, perhaps you would like to sponsor one of the orphans in the Baghdad Orphanage. Just £25 a month will help to cloth and feed a child. £40 a month would also help towards their education.
news/ media or press agency - please contact the Baghdad Orphanage media director Greg Tingle who can be contacted on [email protected]
April 23, 2006
An Orphanage is being created by Iraqi Ex Patriot and Ex Gulf War veteran team. Work has already started to create the first of hopefully many safe residences for Iraqi children.
An unlikely team of an Iraqi national who now resides in Scotland, and an Ex Gulf War veteran have teamed together to open what is believed to be the first orphanage to open since the beginning of the American led invasion of Iraq.
Ahmad Rustam and Steve Cooke are asking people to donate funds (or fund-raising events) to the orphanage appeal
more details can be found on http://www.baghdadorphanage.org which also has a link to the Baghdad Blog.
Ahmad left for Baghdad on the 7th April 2006, flying into Syria and taking the hazardous road to Baghdad from there.
It is expected that within 2 months, 15 of Baghdad's street children will be in a safe environment thanks to the generosity of this unbelievable humane man.
The Orphanage will require at least $30,000 to fund, and already money has started to come in with little promotion.
Steve has organised a Golf Event at Gleneagles, where by irony the G8 summit was held in 2005, more details on this event can be found on http://www.baghdadorphanage.org This event is expected to raise about $8000.
Scottish Actor and film director David Hayman and sidekick Rony Bridges have already raised and donated $4000 towards the project which has meant that Ahmad has been able to purchase generators and other smaller items for the Orphanage.
Ahmad himself was forced to leave Iraq in 1978 due to the nature of the Regime and how it treated its opponents. He arrived in the UK to further his education. Ahmad later met his wife in Scotland, where they settled down and had their daughter who was born in Glasgow.
Upon the collapse of the regime in April 2003, having been deprived of his homeland, Ahmad felt the need to return to Baghdad, which he did in July 2003.
A further two visits in Feb. and Sept. 2004, revealed the absolute need for Iraq to be helped in many ways. What was obviously the most desperate need, was to help the children of this devastated country.
After regaining possession of the family home in Baghdad, the decision was made to open its doors as a shelter for the orphaned street children of Baghdad and for Ahmad to go over to Iraq and make it happen.
Renovation work has already started on the house to get it ready for its new purpose, and Ahmad is in daily contact with the team in Scotland
Steve Cooke, served in the Royal Air Force from 1983-95. His tours included Northern Ireland in 1994 at the height of the troubles, and most notably he was on the first aircraft sent out to the Gulf in 1990 when Saddam Hussain invaded Kuwait, where he served in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and on the Iraqi Border with the HSFME (Helicopter Support Flight Middle East.)
He was part of MCSU (Mobile Catering Support Unit) and in 1991 was Involved in 'operation safe haven' in Kurdistan, helping to feed terrified people.
Steve believes the war in Iraq was not only Illegal, but also immoral, and the innocent victims now deserve as much help as we can possibly give them" .
In January 2005 Steve went to Sri Lanka to the Tamil lowlands and helped many Victims of the Tsunami and set up a fund-raising group called World Disaster Help http://www.worlddisasterhelp.org http://www.worlddisasterhelp.org .
He also has a Barbers Shop in St Andrews Scotland, that donated about 1 Dollar a Haircut and gives away a 'Free Nip of Whisky' to Customers!
If you are a member of a club, organisation, church or a generous individual, perhaps you would like to sponsor one of the orphans in the Baghdad Orphanage. Just £25 a month will help to cloth and feed a child. £40 a month would also help towards their education.
news/ media or press agency - please contact the Baghdad Orphanage media director Greg Tingle who can be contacted on [email protected]
GodDamnit! I had this whole long post explaining my views on why this whole thing is BULLSHIT, and my fuckingwebtv went haywire!!!!
ANYWAYS..... Do not be swayed by this video. I am a Conservative/Republican/Libertarian, and I have supported our leaders to the best of my abilities. I have keept my mouth shut, as you gawd damn hppies <tig> have defamed our President. And I have shook my head in disbelief, every fucking time 'they' let George speak in public. He just seems to make things worse when he speaks. (He 's no Regan).
Soooo, that being said, I think this whole 'retarded kids being chained up for a month' is a load of crap. And I should know. My daughter is mentally handicapped, so I've been through the whole "feces" thing.
If these children were actually chained up for a month, with no one taking care of them, it wouldn't have been just a few dark spots here and there. The cribs were clean, the floors were clean (by special needs standards!), and these "starving' children did not have the typical Etiopian distended belly.
Trust me, if there was no one to clean up after one of these kids, they would have been absolutely encrusted/mummified by all the feces and urine.
When they showed the video of how 'improved' these children were, did anyone notice that these were not of the same age/size group of the ones laying on the floor? I don't know what PR person came up with this, but it's disgusting.
This is not to say that attrocities are not being committed against 'special needs' and/or 'normal' children over there, but we have horrendous ones happening right here in our own country as well. It's purported that 98% of all mentally handicapped females, who are institutionalized are sexually abused - in THIS country. And that's not even taking into account other abuses commited against them.
Once our 'mentally handicapped" are no longer cute and pathetic looking children and they reach adulthood, nobody gives a rats' ass what happens to them.
OK, so I'm not sure what I'm trying to say, I'm just blathering; but please, don't think you can just get on a plane a fix things "over there". This is a PR scam designed to make you hate "them", and say "America! Fuck Yeah!".
We can never realy help anyone in other countries, until we help each other here. Look to your own neighborhood. There's plenty of mentally handicapped children AND adults in your own backyard that could use your help.
ANYWAYS..... Do not be swayed by this video. I am a Conservative/Republican/Libertarian, and I have supported our leaders to the best of my abilities. I have keept my mouth shut, as you gawd damn hppies <tig> have defamed our President. And I have shook my head in disbelief, every fucking time 'they' let George speak in public. He just seems to make things worse when he speaks. (He 's no Regan).
Soooo, that being said, I think this whole 'retarded kids being chained up for a month' is a load of crap. And I should know. My daughter is mentally handicapped, so I've been through the whole "feces" thing.
If these children were actually chained up for a month, with no one taking care of them, it wouldn't have been just a few dark spots here and there. The cribs were clean, the floors were clean (by special needs standards!), and these "starving' children did not have the typical Etiopian distended belly.
Trust me, if there was no one to clean up after one of these kids, they would have been absolutely encrusted/mummified by all the feces and urine.
When they showed the video of how 'improved' these children were, did anyone notice that these were not of the same age/size group of the ones laying on the floor? I don't know what PR person came up with this, but it's disgusting.
This is not to say that attrocities are not being committed against 'special needs' and/or 'normal' children over there, but we have horrendous ones happening right here in our own country as well. It's purported that 98% of all mentally handicapped females, who are institutionalized are sexually abused - in THIS country. And that's not even taking into account other abuses commited against them.
Once our 'mentally handicapped" are no longer cute and pathetic looking children and they reach adulthood, nobody gives a rats' ass what happens to them.
OK, so I'm not sure what I'm trying to say, I'm just blathering; but please, don't think you can just get on a plane a fix things "over there". This is a PR scam designed to make you hate "them", and say "America! Fuck Yeah!".
We can never realy help anyone in other countries, until we help each other here. Look to your own neighborhood. There's plenty of mentally handicapped children AND adults in your own backyard that could use your help.
Medicated and Motivated!
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Is this going to be a charity in perpetuity? If not - dont waste your time, forming a charity - find an NGO and piggyback on their charter.
It would be beneficial to find an NGO in theatre already like Doctors without Borders, Mercy Corps Interational, Northwest Medical Teams, Red Cross, and so many churches its hardly worth your time to form if they are willing to let you do your own thing. Why reinvent the wheel, when you can keep it rolling. I have seen charities take on a group like yours, and merely oversee the accounting to keep it legal.
Advantages are that they already have an infrastructure in place, permission fromk Iraq to work there, a presence, security, and a logistics chain.
I have been to Iraq doing contract work off and on since 2003 and Darfur Sudan since 2004. There are so many charities working already in both places it makes sense to work with em. also
- DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE the need for security. You will need guns to protect what you are building, materials will walk off, and if you appear to secular you will be shot at.
Not trying to dissolution you or shoot down the charity you are doing, just pointig out the realities of it.
It would be beneficial to find an NGO in theatre already like Doctors without Borders, Mercy Corps Interational, Northwest Medical Teams, Red Cross, and so many churches its hardly worth your time to form if they are willing to let you do your own thing. Why reinvent the wheel, when you can keep it rolling. I have seen charities take on a group like yours, and merely oversee the accounting to keep it legal.
Advantages are that they already have an infrastructure in place, permission fromk Iraq to work there, a presence, security, and a logistics chain.
I have been to Iraq doing contract work off and on since 2003 and Darfur Sudan since 2004. There are so many charities working already in both places it makes sense to work with em. also
- DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE the need for security. You will need guns to protect what you are building, materials will walk off, and if you appear to secular you will be shot at.
Not trying to dissolution you or shoot down the charity you are doing, just pointig out the realities of it.
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Sorry, but if you and your several hundred friends haven't gotten so far along as to investigate the basic fundamentals of forming a 501(c)3 non-profit on TOP you coming HERE seeking advice on how to do it, I just have to ask HOW fucking prepared are you really to go into a goddamn war zone.
Jesus, try catching a ride on the fucking Clue Bus before heading off to Iraq.
Jesus, try catching a ride on the fucking Clue Bus before heading off to Iraq.
Desert dogs drink deep.
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First: an conservative/republican at BM? That’s an oxymoron isn’t it?Das Bus wrote: I am a Conservative/Republican/Libertarian, and I have supported our leaders to the best of my abilities. I have keept my mouth shut, as you gawd damn hppies <tig> have defamed our President. And I have shook my head in disbelief, every fucking time 'they' let George speak in public. He just seems to make things worse when he speaks.
OK, so I'm not sure what I'm trying to say, I'm just blathering; but please, don't think you can just get on a plane a fix things "over there". This is a PR scam designed to make you hate "them", and say "America! Fuck Yeah!".
Second: Gawd damn hppies didn’t defame your president. He did it all by himself and you who voted for him- please don’t do that again!
Third and final: Yes we do have people here that need help, but since this mess was created by GWB and the people that voted for him we do need to fix our mistakes.
Shydhsy: Good Luck and let the Gods Bless: please remember though, if you kidnapped and a ransomed ask Das Bus to give you the money she usually donates to her republican candidate instead!
Das Bus: don’t you get it! BM is about everything that isn’t conservative. I think you are a confused Libertarian that needs to liberate yourself from the closet! And did you take a lot of drugs as a teenager?
I might be green, but I can burn brite with the help of my playa friends!
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I never understand why people call themselves Libertarians and Conservative. So many conservative principals are completely opposite as libertarian principals. Is that just saying you have mixed views from each of the two groups? But really I see no reason why a hardcore Conservative couldn't enjoy burningman as well. Just because things that you disagree with go on, doesn't mean you cannot enjoy the other things. Many people are able to have their own set of principals without having to push them on everyone else.
Green Wood - I didn't vote for George or his father. I was one of those wackos that voted for Ross Perot! BAWHAHAHAHA!!
I'm Republican/Conservative in a lot of ways, because I believe in less government/social programs. Growing up in Chicago, I was a democrat, because that's what you did - period. I am a registered Libertarian because I'm stubborn and hope that one day we will have a third party (or should I say second, since the two are almost indistinguishable now), Where's Ben Franklin when we need him???
I did not vote for George (but I DID vote), but I was actually glad he was in office as opposed to Gore after 9/11, simply because there was a reigning support structure. I was all for nuking Afghanistan, but I still have no understanding as to why we're in Iraq. (BTW: I remember being chastised by coworkers because I wouldn't wear that yellow ribbion during the gulf war. I wanted a purple one for ALL the dead)
So, I haven't been a very good Republican (and I have NEVER made a political $$$ contribution - although I have been paid for my vote - for reals), but I won't turn back to Democrat. So, I vote for the Libertarians, then Republicans, then minority sounding names on the leftovers. But hey, at least I VOTE!
And don't be fooled, that just because you're at Burning Man that it's not FULL of Republicans. They just won't tell you,.
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I'm Republican/Conservative in a lot of ways, because I believe in less government/social programs. Growing up in Chicago, I was a democrat, because that's what you did - period. I am a registered Libertarian because I'm stubborn and hope that one day we will have a third party (or should I say second, since the two are almost indistinguishable now), Where's Ben Franklin when we need him???
I did not vote for George (but I DID vote), but I was actually glad he was in office as opposed to Gore after 9/11, simply because there was a reigning support structure. I was all for nuking Afghanistan, but I still have no understanding as to why we're in Iraq. (BTW: I remember being chastised by coworkers because I wouldn't wear that yellow ribbion during the gulf war. I wanted a purple one for ALL the dead)
So, I haven't been a very good Republican (and I have NEVER made a political $$$ contribution - although I have been paid for my vote - for reals), but I won't turn back to Democrat. So, I vote for the Libertarians, then Republicans, then minority sounding names on the leftovers. But hey, at least I VOTE!
And don't be fooled, that just because you're at Burning Man that it's not FULL of Republicans. They just won't tell you,.
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Medicated and Motivated!
BTW: YES, I did take alot of drugs when I was a teenager!
Mike VDS: Crap! I just forgot what you said, but I know it sounded good. I think as a whole, we get trapped into political stereotypes, but they just don't fit. And you know what? We're ALL being bamboozled by these fuckers, Democrats and Republicans alike. Both sides are about money and power - period. And that fucking sux.
There's a quote somewhere that says that anyone who WANTS to run for political office should be immediately disqualified! : P
Mike VDS: Crap! I just forgot what you said, but I know it sounded good. I think as a whole, we get trapped into political stereotypes, but they just don't fit. And you know what? We're ALL being bamboozled by these fuckers, Democrats and Republicans alike. Both sides are about money and power - period. And that fucking sux.
There's a quote somewhere that says that anyone who WANTS to run for political office should be immediately disqualified! : P
Medicated and Motivated!
The thing that I first found attractive About Burning Man and the thing that makes it a real Community to me is the diversity of political views and world outlooks. Hippies to survivalists, Baptist ministers to professional sex workers, and so on all finding a peaceful way to get along and have a good time. without the diversity it would just be another rainbow gathering.
You know, I was very excited about the responses here at first, and then they got a little too political & argumentative for me. Thanks all for the advice & opinions, I'll keep it in mind.
As far as us being unprepared-we're well aware of that, and this whole idea came up for the first time yesterday, so pardon us if we're not quite on the ball yet. We're just gathering information as to what we can do. We're not concerned with the political side of any of this, we just want to help some kids that can't fight for themselves, some kids who have no idea what's going on between our contries, all they know is that they're hungry and scared. Our goal is to help solve the hungry & scared part.
The obstacle is that none of us live over there, and so far, none of us seems to be willing to pack up & move to Iraq right now.
I just wanted to know if anyone could help us find a starting point, but statements such as:
And badger, we are quite aware that we're not prepared to go into a war zone. Don't you think that if I could just go there I would? You don't know me, I have enough money to absolutely go over there and start my own orphangage. I just don't know if I want to pack up my husband & my 4 year old & move to Iraq because I saw an article on the news.
You could have just stated your opinion without being a dick.
As far as us being unprepared-we're well aware of that, and this whole idea came up for the first time yesterday, so pardon us if we're not quite on the ball yet. We're just gathering information as to what we can do. We're not concerned with the political side of any of this, we just want to help some kids that can't fight for themselves, some kids who have no idea what's going on between our contries, all they know is that they're hungry and scared. Our goal is to help solve the hungry & scared part.
The obstacle is that none of us live over there, and so far, none of us seems to be willing to pack up & move to Iraq right now.
I just wanted to know if anyone could help us find a starting point, but statements such as:
really make me realize that badger is right. I should know better than to try to get information & advice from a message board with thousands of users from all over the place. How could I have been so obtuse?Sorry, but if you and your several hundred friends haven't gotten so far along as to investigate the basic fundamentals of forming a 501(c)3 non-profit on TOP you coming HERE seeking advice on how to do it, I just have to ask HOW fucking prepared are you really to go into a goddamn war zone.
Jesus, try catching a ride on the fucking Clue Bus before heading off to Iraq.
And badger, we are quite aware that we're not prepared to go into a war zone. Don't you think that if I could just go there I would? You don't know me, I have enough money to absolutely go over there and start my own orphangage. I just don't know if I want to pack up my husband & my 4 year old & move to Iraq because I saw an article on the news.
You could have just stated your opinion without being a dick.
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If I was setting up a 501c3 I'd set it up in Wyoming where I have my LLC....Wyoming makes it easy to do business, even non-profit business. I would definitely check around and see if there's a better state to setup in besides CA.
And if there's non-profit money involved I'll drop a shameless plug for these people:
http://www.kinterainc.com/
They can really make a difference.
And if there's non-profit money involved I'll drop a shameless plug for these people:
http://www.kinterainc.com/
They can really make a difference.
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Thanks for opening this thread. I'm in the process of setting up a non-profit myself, a cancer foundation for equestrians. Kind of like a LiveSTRONG for the horsey set, as it were, but we'll be working on equine cancer as well as human. The advice so far has helped a lot. (and incorporating in Wyoming would be a good angle...lots of horsemen and women there)
Right now, it's not even in it's infancy, it's in the embryonic stage.
Now for the political/practical angle...
Shyshdy, PLEASE PLEASE PLLLLEEEEEEASSSSSE be careful. It's horrible now and it's going to get worse.
Right now, it's not even in it's infancy, it's in the embryonic stage.
Now for the political/practical angle...
Shyshdy, PLEASE PLEASE PLLLLEEEEEEASSSSSE be careful. It's horrible now and it's going to get worse.
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I'm trying to wrap my head around this one.I'm Republican/Conservative in a lot of ways, because I believe in less government/social programs.
First you state out of the gate that you're conservative, Libertarian, etc., etc. then you go on to rail about the lack of available resources for your challenged child.
So, help me here. If your political stripe is aligned with a party (or an idea) that suggests that government has no business attending to special needs or the marginalized segments of our society - such as the mentally challenged then I have to ask just what claim - what legitimate claim - do you have in bitching about the conditions and lack of resources in this unavailable to the mentally afflicted due to callous cut backs in funding, etc? If you ask me the very political mindset that you brag about has contributed significantly to the very thing that you bitch about.We can never realy help anyone in other countries, until we help each other here. Look to your own neighborhood. There's plenty of mentally handicapped children AND adults in your own backyard that could use your help.
Like mdfm007, I have seen what happens to children in third world countries - especially those children with disabilities. There simply is no comparison to disabled children here. In particular, children who have been abandoned or orphaned AND have disabilities AND are in a WAR ZONE.... it is unimaginable that we could see this and think that we should just pay better attention to our own problems. ANY HUMAN IN NEED IS OUR PROBLEM. Should they be less deserving of compassion and a hand up because they are across an imaginary boundary line or wear a fucking turban or speak the wrong language? No one is talking about putting them up in your living room so how can you possibly begrudge them the assistance they so desperately need? Because you want more for yourself and your family?
Sorry that this sounds like a rant, but it's all ISO's fault - really knows how to wind me up like the energizer bunny. (Or make me laugh until it hurts)
Sorry that this sounds like a rant, but it's all ISO's fault - really knows how to wind me up like the energizer bunny. (Or make me laugh until it hurts)
Shyshdy,
Now you have heard a sample of the responses that you will continue to get as you proceed with your project. Your best use of this board is to learn what to expect as you go so that you can be prepared for it, and adjust your plan accordingly.
I think that most of us have a visceral need to help when we become aware of humans in crisis. If you have seen something that resonates in you and is your call to action, then don't be daunted by the naysayers. Remember the old saw that "No good deed goes unpunished". I am thankful for your willingness to make the world a better place. Go get 'em.
Now you have heard a sample of the responses that you will continue to get as you proceed with your project. Your best use of this board is to learn what to expect as you go so that you can be prepared for it, and adjust your plan accordingly.
I think that most of us have a visceral need to help when we become aware of humans in crisis. If you have seen something that resonates in you and is your call to action, then don't be daunted by the naysayers. Remember the old saw that "No good deed goes unpunished". I am thankful for your willingness to make the world a better place. Go get 'em.
Thank ya sugar. Honestly, we're prepared for the negativity & opposition we will face, but if we were to let some less-than-helpful posts on a message board stop us, then we weren't really ever gonna help anyone at all, now were we? Lol, again, thanks to all for the advice I did receive, it is greatly appreciated.mojo wrote:Shyshdy,
Now you have heard a sample of the responses that you will continue to get as you proceed with your project. Your best use of this board is to learn what to expect as you go so that you can be prepared for it, and adjust your plan accordingly.
I think that most of us have a visceral need to help when we become aware of humans in crisis. If you have seen something that resonates in you and is your call to action, then don't be daunted by the naysayers. Remember the old saw that "No good deed goes unpunished". I am thankful for your willingness to make the world a better place. Go get 'em.
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This board is known for having some hostile posters who take sport in shooting down any good idea that didn't originate with either themselves or their friends. Anyway it looks like you've got the right kind of attitude to make this work. Best of luck to you and when you get it off the ground come back and post something so we can check it out!
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If you do anything useful, you are being political.
And if you want to know how the parties differ, look at the contributions and how they differ from one party to the next.
And you could look at the platforms.
The official republican platform was so fascist a few years ago that reagan and bush had to disavow the official platform.
You could look at the laws that bush has tried to pass seizing more power.
You could recognize that our current world situation, including 9/11 is a creation of the actions and inactions of bush/reagan when they were in power.
Oh, and you can also look at the way toxic waste release changes under the different administrations.
And if you want to know how the parties differ, look at the contributions and how they differ from one party to the next.
And you could look at the platforms.
The official republican platform was so fascist a few years ago that reagan and bush had to disavow the official platform.
You could look at the laws that bush has tried to pass seizing more power.
You could recognize that our current world situation, including 9/11 is a creation of the actions and inactions of bush/reagan when they were in power.
Oh, and you can also look at the way toxic waste release changes under the different administrations.
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I agree, this thread needs to re-focus on forming a 501C3. But these are hard to pass up......
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0801767.html
So your blame is mis-directed.....
Yes, sad, but true...gyre wrote:If you do anything useful, you are being political.
There are a lot of "similarities".... Just different approaches....gyre wrote:And you could look at the platforms.
Bush, (or any President), cannot do this. It's the responsibility of Congress. Presidents can only Pass or Veto bills PASSED by both houses of Congress. (and for the record, Bush has Veto'ed very few.)gyre wrote:You could look at the laws that bush has tried to pass seizing more power.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0801767.html
So your blame is mis-directed.....
You conveniently left out the 8 Years in the middle, just prior to 9/11 when Clinton served. What did he do?gyre wrote:You could recognize that our current world situation, including 9/11 is a creation of the actions and inactions of bush/reagan when they were in power.
Formation of the EPA was signed into law by President Nixon(R)gyre wrote:Oh, and you can also look at the way toxic waste release changes under the different administrations.
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To be on the wire is life. The rest is waiting.
It's show time, folks.....Joe Gideon
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IMO anyone who voted yes for a bill or signed it, is responsible for the whole of that bill. Anyone who voted against or vetoed a bill should not be responsible for any individual part of the bill, just the thing as a whole. You should never listen to political banter crying out "He voted against the children!" because maybe he was voting against the billion dollar ladder to nowhere that was stuck on that bill.Bush, (or any President), cannot do this. It's the responsibility of Congress. Presidents can only Pass or Veto bills PASSED by both houses of Congress.
So I blame the president as much as the houses who passed it. He had to sign it.