Does Saddam Capture = Bush Re-election?

Blenderhead · Post by **Blenderhead** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:45 am

Zane5100 wrote:
joel the ornery wrote:
Zane5100 wrote:I don't trust the government, and I don't understand people that do.

Maybe I'm just too cynical... or someone that still remembers Watergate, The Plumbers, and "rat fucking."
Hmmmm.... maybe this will clear your mind. Nope it isn't perfectly executed but it is the best deal in town.

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Nice idea--too bad we aren’t sticking to it.

We've been a corporate welfare state since the Reconstruction, and see what happens to your constitutional protections when the phrase "national security" is brought into the mix.

I still love this country, if only sometimes I love its potential (and I’ve got a DD Form 214 to back that up).

However, I'm thoroughly disgusted by the jackbooted brown shirts goose-stepping around lately proclaiming that blind, unquestioning loyalty to the government and our president is the definition of patriotism and that any question or criticism of said government and president is paramount to treason.

I firmly believe that we should never trust the government, and question everything it does--because I've seen what it's like to live in a place where you have to trust the government, or you disappear.

Aw shit, off to the Crush thread...

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:01 am

Zane5100 wrote: I firmly believe that we should never trust the government, and question everything it does--

And that is EXACTLY what our founding fathers wanted. If you look past the exact wording of the 2nd amendment, and read up on what Jefferson used to say in regards to an armed populus- you get the idea that this is why we need to protect this right. WE are the last defense against a corrupt government.

I question what our government does, but I have a hard time with elaborate conspiracy theories. The more complex and detailed, the less likely our government will take that route if there are simpler and cheaper ways to do something. Plus you have to take into account that this mysterious "they" are really a number of seperate groups all pitted against each other. The Democrats aren't going to do something blatantly illegal and provable knowing the Republicans can use it against them.

Unless of course, they are all controlled by the Illuminati...

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:08 am

The government can and will fuck up the simplest of things, but they can also pull off some brilliant ops.

Best to not trust them to fuck up and keep an eye on them.

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:09 am

...and it's the Freemasons that really control everything.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:55 am

Zane5100 wrote:...and it's the Freemasons that really control everything.

Dammit! Why wasn't I notified!

grumble grumble grumble...

Alright, I have to go out and buy a new fucking fez. Jeez.

aforceforgood · Post by **aforceforgood** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:53 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:The more complex and detailed, the less likely our government will take that route if there are simpler and cheaper ways to do something.

The above comment roughly equals= The simpler and cheaper something is to do, and with less likelihood of getting caught, the more likely our government (or anyone, for that matter, see file sharing for an obvious example) is to do it (election rigging). This is the crux of my opposition to e-voting. It removes the necessity of involving hundreds of people doing lots of (highly visible) legwork to the much simpler and less traceable e-tampering by someone who can be anywhere on earth with a laptop. Which even if they're detected can be spun to be caused by foreign nationals, malicious hackers, etc.

Glad we were able to find common ground Rob. Merry Christmas!

aforceforgood · Post by **aforceforgood** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:57 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:
Zane5100 wrote:...and it's the Freemasons that really control everything.
Dammit! Why wasn't I notified!

grumble grumble grumble...

Alright, I have to go out and buy a new fucking fez. Jeez.

Not to mention having to get your tiny little clown car detailed.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:17 pm

aforceforgood wrote:
Glad we were able to find common ground Rob. Merry Christmas!

Do you really find it amusing to talk to yourself?

aforceforgood · Post by **aforceforgood** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:47 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:
aforceforgood wrote:
Glad we were able to find common ground Rob. Merry Christmas!
Do you really find it amusing to talk to yourself?

And peace and goodwill to men to you too.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:02 pm

aforceforgood wrote: Not to mention having to get your tiny little clown car detailed.

Let me relay an incidence I had at Saturday Market a number of months ago.

I was wandering around at the market, looking for gifts for a friend of mine. I noticed a clean shaven young man in a wool knit poncho and blue jeans. He was handing out pamphlets decrying an issue that was happening in local politics. He gave the appearance of being one of the many fanatical “hippies” that often frequent that part of town. When I was walking by, he handed me a pamphlet and started in on a well rehearsed spiel on the evil of the current local government. I disagreed with him and gave him a brisk answer. As I was walking away he asked me to reconsider my stance.

I walked back to him and we started into a very intense discussion on the issue at hand. He was very impassioned, almost seeming to be fanatical. My initial response was to be short with him and attempt to find the holes in his argument. The longer we talked, the more rational he became. His passion had overwhelmed his ability to convey the truly torturous length of time he had spent logically going over the issue. The more we talked, the more I realized that this young man was extremely intelligent and insightful. I came to realize that I had not really thought out the issue as well as I should have, and I came to admire this man. We compared facts and created flowing logical arguments to support on another’s case. By the end of a half hour, I had become won over to this man’s cause almost purely by his sincerity and thorough knowledge of the issue at hand.

I was about to sign his petition when a bum in thrift store clothing, reeking of month old urine with heavy duty tinfoil wrapped around his head, barged in screaming about the aliens trying to control his mind. I gave him what was left of the burrito I was eating and he left mumbling to himself.

In case you’re wondering, my relentlessly psychotic friend, I consider you akin to the man in the metal hat.

aforceforgood · Post by **aforceforgood** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:26 pm

Oh, I see, so "psychotic" is the new term for those who based on history expect corruption in government and government bidding processes.

We must be a nation of psychos then. Heck, a planet, for that matter.

I guess you'd better move to some other country where they don't have any corruption then. Good luck. You might be better advised to make your own island from landfill.

Oh, and BTW, the clown car thing was a joke, and not intended to be directed at you, which is apparently the way you took it. I thought some might not get the reference if I used the word go-kart in the place of clown car. Guess I should have stuck with go-kart, though it seems you'll take anything I say at this point as offensive.

But it seems you are unable to respect someone whose opinion differs from yours, and have some need to belittle me to preserve your own self-esteem. I never had anything personal against you, and as far as I'm concerned, anyone could have defended the points you were making and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference to me. Sorry if you took offense, none was intended.

Lilly Flower · Post by **Lilly Flower** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:33 pm

I have no idea what you people are talking about. You both lost me somewhere along the way, but I came across this,

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

and it gets me so upset every time I see it.

I hope Saddam is never executed. He will be very valuble if he is not.

KellY · Post by **KellY** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:45 pm

Hey Lilly,

Great post, very informative article there. Here's a good one about Halliburton's business with Saddam in the '90's:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/02.03E.Hallib.Iraq.htm

It's not the Illmunati, it's the Oil-men-ati...

Alchemy · Post by **Alchemy** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 1:48 am

" Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit outta my ass..( Uh I mean " A Bad ol' Meanie Dictator" outta a hole in the ground..."

didnt George Bush the first do this with Noriega?

but like they played lots of Disco to flush him out?

Like was it the very LAST stone unturned.... the only place they didnt look in Iraq and a hard place? Uh like maybe hes hiding under this rug,like a dust bunny?.........

Now like 54% of us supposedly like George Bush and would re-elect him...
More spin than a spin cycle in the laundry mat in Michael Jackasses house.

Is he saving Usama for like a last minute Copperfeildesque play?
Find that wasscally arab.....

Dont want to point out the obvious cuz like Toto is suppose to pull the curtain an all but..

Maybe they can find him in the box with the lady GW will amazingly saw in half?....
Did anyone notice how much the sneaker bomber of last year looked like a scruffier, college age version of public global baddie number 1 ?
Maybe Im high.Yeah..thats it Im probably ripped..ignore my heckling..I love a good magic show ,and I dont want to spoil it for the kiddies...
Perhaps after we can watch Zeigfried and Roy get more hickeys from Felina Tigaris Blanca.......mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yummy.

I liked it better when he was Soddom Insane
Those Bushies are so wacky. What dry wacky witts they are.
Usama ... United States of America Military Action.

what does Bin Ladden mean?
Should be Been Hidden....

If all pretend( ahahahahahahahahahhaaaahhaaaahhaa ha HA! ) to dilike Bush and pretend he doesnt matter.........what wonderous feets will procure?
Do you have wonderous feets?

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 6:10 am

Re: clown cars, ITYM "Shriners" (Ancient Arabic Order of Nobles of the Mystic Shrine, a secret fraternal society that is non-Masonic but admits only Knights Templars and 32d-degree Masons to membership).

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:36 am

no, mine are somewhat deformed

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 6:26 pm

try to answer the main question.

It's Code Orange boys and girls and I'm supposed to be in NYC right but maybe it's not the time to be there. I had this dream a few months ago of rock and rubble falling down all around. Though that it was Jellystone blowing it's top, but now I'm worried. Many of my dreams come true, some don't of course and it tough to decifier which one will be true. So I heed them all to a point.

Let say that if Bush gets though the remainder of his term without a terrorist attack, then he is a tought one to beat. But,

If an attack does occurs in our country, he's dead in the water for Deanie boy will drive the point down Bushe's mouth and the public that his claim that the Iragi distraction from the real and only true threat to us- Al and the Quaida's and Bushe's effort will be for naught!

I believe and will always believe that Saddam was to be our puppet. We let him play with his WMD programs. Rumsfelt told him to ignore our anti-WMD rethoric and continue with his gas and biological programs back when he was useful against the iranians. We should have let him have the fucking Saudi Penisular if we were smarter and after he completed the uniting the of the sands, we could have bullied him to envoke more democrated policys. we even had the guy begging for mercy several times but never did our not-so-intelligent-agencies realized it. But here we are dealing with the real and true danger to our *Great Christian Empire* and somehow I believe that it is us that have turned out to the pawn for Al Quaida and every other fuckn interest in the region and that pisses me because I hate to lose such a simple game.

Anyway, we will see what will happen and hopefully the warnings are false.

Happy Winter Soltice Everyone and my the Gods bless you!

A II Z

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aforceforgood · Post by **aforceforgood** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 7:11 pm

I wouldn't get overly worked up about the no-downside (for them, anyway) "warning" the government has issued- if nothing happens, they will spin it as that our vigilence is paying off, and if something does happen, hey, they're being honest with us and sharing what info they have, right?

Speaking of which, what exactly is this heightened risk warning based on? Has anyone heard anything about that? Or is it just because it's a holiday? And a christian holiday at that? Or maybe just because government fucks can't resist pissing in your eggnog?

I mean, really, how exactly does a vague warning with no information about what it's based on mean anything more than, "you or someone you love might die this christmas."?

What action/s are we supposed to take in response to this warning? Watch out for suspicious-looking "evildoers"? And why the fuck should I change my life one iota when the government has done exactly diddlyfuck about sealing our borders?

Virtually all of the steps taken since 9-11 have gone towards restricting our freedoms and civil liberties.

If we're truly at war, then why aren't there armed emplacements every few hundred yards along our borders? As it is, some of the U.S.-Canadian border roads are "gaurded" by orange safety cones at night. Give me a fucking break.

I am not enjoying watching this retarded administration's real-life re-enactment of 1984. "Evildoers". Sheesh. Why not just come right out and call them the "boogeyman" if you're gonna be that patronizing?

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:30 am

aforceforgood wrote: If we're truly at war, then why aren't there armed emplacements every few hundred yards along our borders?

Make sure you know what you are asking for... you may actually get it.

KellY · Post by **KellY** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 12:44 pm

The gov claims that it heightens the alert level because of increased "chatter" they pick up in their surveillance. I think they mean email they monitor, cell-phone stuff they can eavesdrop on, stuff like that.

As for what actions you're supposed do in response: be afraid, be glad Bush is there to protect you, AND FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T STOP CONSUMING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE!

aforceforgood · Post by **aforceforgood** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:46 pm

joel the ornery wrote:
aforceforgood wrote: If we're truly at war, then why aren't there armed emplacements every few hundred yards along our borders?
Make sure you know what you are asking for... you may actually get it.

Yeah, I guess I should just be happy they're only doing the minimum that's absolutely necessary to make it look like they're telling the truth in order to get a bunch of laws rammed through that make it easier for them to fuck with only those that actively oppose them.

Iago · Post by **Iago** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:04 pm

Thanks a lot AFFG, now I have to think about it everytime I drive by one of those orange safety cones that have put their lives on the line for my freedom and the american way of life. I promise that I will never take them for granted again. I'm thinking of a 'temple of orange' next year out beyond the man for those cones that gave their all for our freedom. Gotta quit now, I feels the tears coming...

Lilly Flower · Post by **Lilly Flower** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:15 pm

Iago wrote:Thanks a lot AFFG, now I have to think about it everytime I drive by one of those orange safety cones that have put their lives on the line for my freedom and the american way of life. I promise that I will never take them for granted again. I'm thinking of a 'temple of orange' next year out beyond the man for those cones that gave their all for our freedom. Gotta quit now, I feels the tears coming...

My goodness.

You all are falling just the way that the powers that be wanted you to.

It's all hype. Bush and his and daddy's cronies want you all and the rest of the world to belive that the U.S. of A needs to be the ruler of the world. So they make it so that the media promotes what ever they want you and the rest of the world to belive.

I say just focus on the ways of Burningman.
I belive that Burningman is truely the way to world salvation. ( not to be in anyway religious.)

aforceforgood · Post by **aforceforgood** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:36 am

I believe those orange cones are there because of staffing difficulties filling security positions now that policy has been changed to not employ foreigners in those positions. The cones, one would presume, are made in america.

The next time you see a cone, I'm sure he'd appreciate it if you took the time to thank him for making our country a little safer. It's a tough job they're doing.

And it's no wonder they're having trouble filling those jobs- they pay $23,600 a year, and they want these people to have security experience, and x-ray machine competency. Hellooo? Anyone else smell governemental stupidity?

AND I keep hearing the ads on the radio telling people to apply at https://tsacareers.recruitsoft.com . These numbnuts are apparently internet illiterate, and unfamiliar with the principle of making it easy for people to remember your website. I guess it could be worse, they could have used http://www.tsa.gov/public/verify_redire ... itsoft.com

Patience · Post by **Patience** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 9:20 am

Saddam's capture can result in Bush's re-election only if voters believe that the end justifies the means. The issue at stake should not be whether or not the government was successful in its mission, but whether or not that mission was justified.

How is it possible that the American people don't mind that this government started a war for no good reason???

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 9:48 am

Patience wrote:How is it possible that the American people don't mind that this government started a war for no good reason???

Less than $2.50 a gallon for fuel is reason enough, it appears.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 3:09 pm

[quote="Patience"]
How is it possible that the American people don't mind that this government started a war for no good reason???[/quote]

Denial!

Its very much like psyhcological response that people have when they lynch a person only to find out it was the wrong person. They get so worked up and become irrational and believe anything- much like we do here on Eplaya. Then once they find out that the guy they just hung was innocent, they go into denial and grab on to anything to justify their actions- like mass gravesites, killing of innocent Kirds and Sunnis. I'm not saying that these aren't actions for war, but one must take in the full situation of the middle east.

Maybe when they find out his didn't pay his cable bill that too will become a campaign issue too.

ONe on the Orange Alert:

We had a terrorist scare yesterday along the Canadian border at one of the crossings. Found was a lone luggage sitting outside the Border Patrol checkpoint. Call in the Bomb squad from Malstrom Airforce Base to find it was full of alcohol. I guess someone was spooked by the intensified code orange baggage search or al drop off for a discret pick up.

Anyway the Bomb squad well be having a very merry christmas eve tonight. So Yes, there is a Santa Bob!

A II Z

If Nypsy in the Ballot he gets my vote and only a Buck a Gallon can corrupt my opinion of this war.

Lilly Flower · Post by **Lilly Flower** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 10:45 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
Patience wrote: How is it possible that the American people don't mind that this government started a war for no good reason???
Denial!

You hit the nail right on the head Apollonaris.
Have you ever noticed when a large group of people that are in denial, following their leader, have this glassy glow in their eyes as they stare without blinking? The way the masses stared at Hitler as though they had side blinders on.

I think this next year will be scarier than this year once passed, unless more people get a clue as to what this administration is really up to.
However I belive it will all be too late by the time the masses catch on, as always.

Listenning to the Nixon tapes gives me a constant reminder.

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:01 am

This may seem to be thread drift, but I think English should be the dominant language, because english is evolving every second.

Email and text messaging is forever changing the rules everyday.

Just to bring this out of thread drift, G.W.B has not mastered the basics.
This makes it all the much more fun added the evolution of the text message and email language. (given the acronyms and all.)

enthropic · Post by **enthropic** » Thu Dec 25, 2003 2:01 am

Do you all think it has ever occured to our government/ millitary, that having santa walk down the streets of Iraq handing out gifts to the children might have a opposite effect?

And isn't a man in a bright red suite a great target..

Does Saddam Capture = Bush Re-election?

Sniiiiippy!

My thoughts,

Maybe if we ignore him..he'll go away?

Since I'm a late comer to this discussion I'm going to...

Merry Fucking Christmas with best wishes that you don't die

Re: Merry Fucking Christmas with best wishes that you don't

Re: Merry Fucking Christmas with best wishes you don't die

"gaurded" by orange safety cones at night

Re: "gaurded" by orange safety cones at night

Maybe some people are corrupted by cheap gas, but...

Re: Maybe some people are corrupted by cheap gas, but...

English as the dominant language.