Risks

Eylius · Post by **Eylius** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:15 pm

Okay im assuming that there is no age min to be at buring man. I am contimplating asking a few of my freinds if they want to go (we are all 17 btw), possibly with no adult supervision (but we are responsable we dont do drugs or drink or anyything pretty much), but im kinda hesitant because burning man seems interestingly excentric, and at times a little weird. So with all that said what are the possible risks of us going by ourselves besides dehydration and death etc.?

also another question, im a dj (not psy-trance, but jungle), i am just wondering if my records will get messed up (melted, skratched cuz of sand etc)? i cherish these things and would hate to see anything happen to them, yet still want the world to be exposed to jungle

thanks

Dr. Pyro · Post by **Dr. Pyro** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:38 pm

My advice would be to stay home and go to work at McDonalds.

Tancorix · Post by **Tancorix** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:46 pm

http://www.burningman.com/preparation/e ... at_bm.html

Sorry but unless you bring along a legal guardian you gotta be 18 to go on your own.

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 3:54 pm

Eylius, there is no age limit but, you are limited in what activities you are allowed to participate in, just like in the real world. There are other threads here on this bbs that will more than answer all of your burning questions. I would go to www.burningman.com and read the FAQ. but other than that welcome aboard.

If you have any questions other than those that have been laborisly hashed and rehashed in infinite detail, just ask.

"That lowdown scoundrel deserves to be kicked to death by a jackass, and I'm just the one to do it." - A congressional candidate in Texas.
your bestest friend,
mr smith

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:14 pm

Okay im assuming that there is no age min to be at buring man.

Your assumption is wrong.

Eylius, there is no age limit but, you are limited in what activities you are allowed to participate in, just like in the real world.

Um, actually, that's quite incorrect

As mentioned, if you are attending with someone 18 or over that can vouch for being you guardian then there's no problem. However, if you're under 18 and planning to come to the event be prepared to be turned away at the gate with no chance of being allowed entry.

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 7:45 pm

Ok.! well shit, goddamn, Badger. If you meet all prearranged restrictions there is no age limit to attend Burning Man. sheese

"Never miss a good chance to shut up. "

technically,
mr smith

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:11 pm

If you meet all prearranged restrictions there is no age limit to attend Burning Man. sheese

And therein lies the difference.

Caveat: Remember, I'm a Ranger. My advice is - or should be - suspect.

But...

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:18 pm

"...you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya… PUNK?” - Clint Eastwood in 'Dirt Harry'

NaughtySnowAngel · Post by **NaughtySnowAngel** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:29 pm

Dude...if you are THAT worried about it get a fake ID.....oh wait that would be breaking the law.....sssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh don't tell Mom

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:15 am

yet still want the world to be exposed to jung

if, by 'the world' you mean the BM population, it's already covered.

Para · Post by **Para** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 2:11 pm

hey hun its only 365 days till you turn 18 just wait tobe on the safe side less red tape and you get to do so much more and as for that if you would like a really positive experience wait okay? but thats just my advice noone said you had to take it and trust me being 18 aint all its cut out to be big deal ohh i can legaly do things now ohh well and 21 just the same ohh wow i can drink big deal.....

_tears_ · Post by **_tears_** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 9:38 pm

There is indeed no age limit, however responsibility is a big thing. You cant go around acting like a bloody idiot too much, you could risk a lot of things, just be careful, i also PMed you, check it out

--Tears--

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:31 pm

"Today is a Good Day to Die. (Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam)"

luckly,
Mr. Smith

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:48 pm

There is indeed no age limit, however responsibility is a big thing. You cant go around acting like a bloody idiot too much, you could risk a lot of things, just be careful, i also PMed you, check it out

Bad information Tears. As I mentioned before it's wrong.

As in you're incorrect.

Do not pass 'go', do not collect $200.

III · Post by **III** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:19 am

caveats:

just because you shouldn't trust a ranger doesn't mean that they're always wrong.

just because someone's not a ranger doesn't mean that they're right.

but still...

never trust a ranger

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:27 am

Great advice Trey. Mind if I quote you on that?

unquotably,
mr smith

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:04 am

is the logical sum of that caveat not to trust anyone?

Jackanapegirl · Post by **Jackanapegirl** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:42 pm

Ya know what REALLY sucks? I am 17...and my birtday is on the 7th of Sept. I mean like 7 days AFTER BM. Its not fair!! heheh but I had a question. Bc It says that we just have to be accompanied by a 21 year old...that just means anyone? No parents or anything?

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:12 pm

Think twice about it.

Anyone 'sponsoring' you better think three or four times about it.

_tears_ · Post by **_tears_** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:12 pm

Well I am speaking from the experiance i had at burning man 2003. I was under 18 and didnt attend with a parents of legel guardian and i had no trouble buying my ticket,getting in and staying for the whole 10 days that i did. However it should be noted that is one is attending as someone under the age 18 there is a responsibility they have to not act like pure idiots and respect the fact they are in an adult dominant enviorment. I see nothing wrong with the fact you dont agree with me, however i did it. I know i personally do not little teeny boppers running around getting drunk and doing drugs, there is enough of that without the teenage aspect of it. It was just a mere fact from my experiance, there is no need to be so rude.

--Tears--

Jackanapegirl · Post by **Jackanapegirl** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:42 pm

I just realized that it ends this year on the 6th...1 day BEFORE my birtday...ARGH hehehe its not fair!

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:55 pm

I see nothing wrong with the fact you dont agree with me, however i did it.

Read it again kiddo. It has nothing to do whether I agree with you or not. It's a basic statemnt of fact and policy.

You stated something that was incorrect (or failed to include to requesite conditions) regarding BM policy.

I corrected you. Whether or not you got into the event is also not in question here. A number of folks in your age situation have done it.

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:57 pm

Misspent youth.

"The older you get the better you used to be."

elderly,
mr smith

technopatra · Post by **technopatra** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 4:57 pm

Anyone who accompanies you becomes legally responsible for you at the event. I'm not saying that it would be hard to find someone who would, but understand that it is a major commitment you are asking of someone.

Please note that while you may be able to get away with getting in while under age, like you can a bar, if anything happens to you there, like the police find out you are not accompanied by an adult, or you are caught under the influence of anything, it jeopardizes the whole shebang for _everyone_. Just as a bar can get fine and have its license revoked for selling booze to minors, Burning Man, the organization and the event itself, would be put in major, major jeopardy.

There are smaller, regional events that happen all over. My advice is to have fun at the smaller parties, get more involved with your local community, help someone with their art project, and wait until you're of legal age to come on your own.

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:00 am

technopatra wrote: There are smaller, regional events that happen all over. My advice is to have fun at the smaller parties, get more involved with your local community, help someone with their art project, and wait until you're of legal age to come on your own.

Yes, as technopatra mentioned, there are consequences to every action, and someone has the responbility to pay them whether it is you or us, but they will have to be paid. Get involved with your local burningman community and find someone you like who is old enough and likes, and respects you enough to sponsor you into the event. That way you will be with a person/group that "you" know and trust, and that will you have already been friends with for a while, rather than someone you just met for the event.

Is that already 4cents worth, for me?

"Never test the depth of the water with both feet."
specifically,
mr smith

PS. - Nice avatar Jackanapegirl.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:59 pm

The reason for the 18 age limit is that until you are 18 the warning on the ticket ... risk of serious injury or death... cannot be accepted by someone who is still legally a child but only by your parent or guardian. They accept the risk for you. The local burn that I am active with has the same rule and for the same reason. We could not get any insurance without it. That said, I know of several adults (30's, 40's) that have sponsered 17 year olds to the local burn; however they had met the kids through other BM events and knew that they were not going to do anything really stupid.

On another note, I asked a couple of DJ's who have spun at Burning Man about how records work out. Both said that it is a bitch to get Playa dust off the the records and one went on about the effort he goes to to seal up anything he is not using. They both said that if you get dust on the disk it should be cleaned before use since the dust acts like a grinding powder between the needle and the disk.

Jackanapegirl · Post by **Jackanapegirl** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:01 pm

Well with me being in TN...its hard to find local burners. I really want to attend and I am very responsible and many would vouch for me. I just dont know any other burners around the Nashville area. What should I do?

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:33 pm

I don't remember how far it is from Nashville to Memphis but my guess is that if you join the Memphis regional list you will find locals on it.

http://regionals.burningman.com/us_tn.html

Good Luck

herrdirektor · Post by **herrdirektor** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:49 pm

Just to try to clarify things a bit, it is incorrect to simply say that because someone is under 18, they can be held accountable for their actions and that is why Burning Man restricts their attendance. In fact, in California and Nevada (as well as many other states), there are many things that juveniles can be held accountable for regardless of their age (or at least depending on their age even if under 18), including many kinds of criminal responsibility, many personal torts (negligence being one of them), and even certain contractual situations. And waivers of liability that are contained on boilerplate tickets (as are printed on BM's ticket) are about as ineffective against an adult as they would be against a child if a case actually went to trial (this is a whole subject in law school). So there isn't really any issue there either.

BM certainly has the right to restrict entrance based on age, and it is true that by requiring parents or guardians of minors to accompany their children they reduce their exposure somewhat, it is not at all true that this is a black and white situation.

herrdirektor · Post by **herrdirektor** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:51 pm

Just to try to clarify things a bit, it is incorrect to simply say that because someone is under 18, they can be held accountable for their actions and that is why Burning Man restricts their attendance. In fact, in California and Nevada (as well as many other states), there are many things that juveniles can be held accountable for regardless of their age (or at least depending on their age even if under 18), including many kinds of criminal responsibility, many personal torts (negligence being one of them), and even certain contractual situations. And waivers of liability that are contained on boilerplate tickets (as are printed on BM's ticket) are about as ineffective against an adult as they would be against a child if a case actually went to trial (this is a whole subject in law school). So there isn't really any issue there either.

BM certainly has the right to restrict entrance based on age, and it is true that by requiring parents or guardians of minors to accompany their children they reduce their exposure somewhat, it is not at all true that this is a black and white situation.

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