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Post by Chai Guy » Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:53 pm

It might be fun to come up with an objective metric for "sexually charged place." Then we could compare it to things like NASCAR races, professional boxing, and church services.
OOohhh, lets!


How about this:



Sunday morning Presbyterian Church Service = SCE +1
gay bath house SCE= +10
midwestern public school pta meeting SCE =+3

Burning Man SCE= ???

SCE = Sexually charged Environment

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Post by djaded » Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:10 pm

Thanks for your reply Tiffany. Hearing what a great time you had at BRC makes me even more excited to go. Your reply is probably the best I have had yet and put a smile on my face. I am sorry to hear that your post wasn't very well recieved. I'm guessing it was because people were scared to see you or ANY 15 year old victimized by an internet pedifile (they tend to like girls your age). The problem with fear is that many people express anger as a secondary emotion in place of it when they don't know how to deal with being scared. Being only 19 myself I know what its like from the very near past to feel ready to experience new things and "try on" your new found sexuallity. It is cool that you admit the fact that you might be interested in girls, most people at that stage can't even admit it to themselves. Just be carefull and think before you put yourself out there, ESPECIALLY over the internet. Being bi is something you are it's not WHO you are. Just go slow at take the time to figure out who you are and what you want. Believe me, by the time you are 18 there will be plenty of girls who have finally figured out that they like girls too. Untill then SMILE! you are ahead of the game 8)
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Post by III » Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:36 pm

heh.

i just started pronouncing (in my head - i don't hve to move my lips when i read) djaded as dj dead.

i wonder if that was intentional...
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Post by Stranger in a StrangeLand » Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:58 pm

I think I can understand where djaded is coming from. As another southern girl, I've seen the sometimes close-minded reactions of people who see two females being affectionate in public. They range from being totally horrified and disgusted: "Oh my God, look at those girls! I think they're some of those lesbians!" to harrassing and disgusting: "Oh my God, look at those chicks! That's hot as hell!"....followed by a description of what they'd like to see/do. From what I gather, BM is completely open to all sexual orientations and you won't be ostracized or attacked for the things you do, sexual or otherwise (other than acting like a complete fuckwit). I'm planning on acting the same as I would anywhere else, using a healthy amount of caution and common sense.

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Post by blyslv » Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:37 am

djaded wrote: I'm guessing it was because people were scared to see you or ANY 15 year old victimized by an internet pedifile (they tend to like girls your age). The problem with fear is that many people express anger as a secondary emotion in place of it when they don't know how to deal with being scared.
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Post by rogue agent » Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:52 am

Yet Another Guy's take on it.

The ratio of non-idiots to idiots is far higher at Burning Man than just about anywhere on the planet, and there's so much out of this world stuff going on everywhere all at once that it's probably gonna take more than just a couple girls kissing to get noticed even by the yahoos.

The fact that so much attention gets paid to the few negative events that do happen is because they're so rare that they really stand out and because they're completely unacceptable to the overwhelming majority of the community.

There's no guarantees in this life, but you're far less likely to get harrassed for anything you do or are out on the Playa than any event of comparable size.

It really is that kind of place.

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Post by Silver » Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:15 pm

Dejaded,

I just noticed that you live in Austin, consider going to Flipside this coming spring. http://www.burningflipside.com Keep track of the site or go to some of the meetings because they sell out of tickets very quickly. I have only met a couple of the Flipside folks but from what I hear it is an excellent Burner event. It should give you an idea of what to expect at Burning Man.

Noticing where you live helps me understand where you are coming from in terms of harrassment. The problem is not that you are in the South; the problem is that you are in a smallish city with an extra 20-30 thousand college age boys. Living near Washington with all of its universities we see a lot of the same kind of idioticy. I am sure that it does not help that there seems to be a fad among straight girls to kiss just to tease the boys.

Anyway, what I came back for was to point you to Piss Clear's web site and an issue in particular: http://www.blue-period.com/pissclear/PDFArchives/
Look at issue 16's interior and you will find an article titled Playa Babe Survival Guide. Some good ideas.

A last note, and one which might give you a bit of insight into attitudes. A friend of mine was doing crowd control and access security at the Beaver eating contest in '03. The guards will take bribes, two girls came up and wanted in, my friend asked what was in it for him. The girls offered to kiss. His reaction was, and I quote; "Kiss? Big freaking deal, this is Burning Man." He then told them to take a shot; then said "Nope, not good enough."



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Post by djaded » Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:03 am

Ya you are right about austin's saturation of college boys but I lived in a college town in California and never had a problem. Probably a combination of the southern way of thinking and good old hormones. Its weird that you suggested the Piss Clear article because I was just reading it. Weird huh? I have known about flipside for a while and hear it is great but I want to enter my first burn without expectations. I probably will look into attending it in 2005 though. Thanks for the help.
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Post by BlueBirdPoof » Mon Dec 15, 2003 11:55 am

i'd generally go with the comments that say that in BRC lesbian sexually and affectionate gestures are no big problem. (Remember, it's a suburb of San Francisco.)

I'd also say that I believe that there is a difference between the south and california (heck, I've read some Dorothy Allison.)

I'll also say that I'm a member of a queer-identified, poly man-woman couple AND that you can pm (private message) me as a resource or contact person. We're in that 40ish range that makes you feel potentially uncomfortable, but he's a long-time queer activist and I'm a "good Berkeley girl." Was born in Austin, actually. Don't remember it, but I've heard family stories, so I may have some sence of what you're talking about.

And if we hit it off in a comfortable, friendship way, you can consider me a resource and possible "friendly" on playa as well.

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Post by technopatra » Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:39 pm

Another female perspective:

I feel safer in BRC than anywhere else in the world.

I've had to deal with a scant handful of creepy people in the 5 years I've gone, but they have been far, far outnumbered by the hundreds of kind, generous, respectful men and women that I got to interact with.

Yahoos and bigots may come by, but they are fewer than this conversation would have you believe. I've found that having a quick conversation with them about what they are doing wrong actually does affect their behavior. Not always, but mostly. They usually just don't know any better and need a talking to - they shouldn't be treated as incorrigible scum, just folks who need more education than others.

The second you treat someone like they are beneath you, you lose any opportunity to educate them. Ditto if you let fear be your initial reaction.

Call me a Pollyanna, but there it is.

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Post by precipitate » Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:51 pm

> Call me a Pollyanna, but there it is.

I'm quite certain that no one, in my entire life, has even had the slightest
urge to call me a Pollyanna, yet I agree with you completely.

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Post by djaded » Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:04 pm

Hehe all you pollyanna's and bluebirdpoof.........


I have been checking out some stuff about the poly scene on the playa and it seems pretty interresting. How do these camps play into a typical day on the playa? You know, I really hate to sound this naive but.......What could someone expect to see/experience when visiting a poly camp? (I already KNOW but was curious about personal good/bad experiences)
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Post by blyslv » Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:58 pm

I was visiting some folks and a massage table opened up. I was asked if I would like a massage. For about 15 minutes three wonderful people gave me a massage, and when I indicated that I wasn't interested in more they were very gracious.
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Post by BlueBirdPoof » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:09 pm

I'm sorry, I cant really help you with the poly camps. We do that here in San Francisco, but on the playa we worked with the Emergency Services Department. Between the heat, the altitude and working 32 hours, I didn't have a whole lot of energy to get into trouble. Squad 1 probably did twice the work I did--he's a ranging maniac EMT. The closest we got was almost finding the "Island of the Misfit Sex Toys" camp, but then we got an emergency medical call, and never went back.

There are some mentions of some of the poly camps scattered in amoung other threads on this board, but I don't even remember which ones are most likely.

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Post by Chai Guy » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:16 pm

You might want to start a Poly Camps thread. Sorry I can't help you. I have a hard enough time keeping one person happy.

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Post by scruffyboy » Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:04 pm

[color=violet][/color][size=18][/size]O.K. so this from ANOTHER guy...Now maybe just MAYBE I've been a tad naive here and haven't really noticed much in the wayof unwanted advances. Most of the times I've witnessed anything CLOSE to an unwanted advance the particular female involved has been able to say "NO" gracefully and in most all instances NOT had to resort to anything harsh, demeaning or threatening. From what I've seen MOST guys (not all) actually hear you when you tell them "NO!" Also noted, most women I've seen traveled in groups of at LEAST 2 or more.
As for the guys...Lately it seems that the "frat" quotient has dropped in recent years (or I'm just not seeing it, I've been attending since 1996)
Burning Man seems to have it's cycles....Why I remember back in 98....And I could go on. The point being just like any other "city" you're going to be dealing with ALL elements of society, be prepared!
Let campmates know where you're plannning on going, hook up with people in your camp at least once a day, let someone in your camp know if you plan on going off with a new found friend, get a liscense plate number and camp for that person. I've met people that take these precautions, it's like "Yeah I'd like to go off with you, let's drop by my camp so I can check in first O.K.?"

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hmmm frat boyz

Post by raven74 » Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:19 am

one thing i noticed that bothered me, only when i realized that i saw a difference between "burners" and "fratboynewbies" was that the night of the burn, when the flames subsided,,,the grounds were covered with bud cans, food, shit, and it upset me...i picked up my skirt and made a basket and picked up the garbage, other burners helped me....we agreed that there was a difference between true burners and "some" newbies that were attending for thier own pleasure.

I feel safe at BRC. It is a healing community to express your sexuality, sensuality, and spirituality in a free and comfortable way...

I pray that your experiance this coming summer will be safe and wonderful....just be honest, and speak your truth to the boyz and girls behaving badly...remember we all switch places from time to time...

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Post by MrChevere » Mon Dec 22, 2003 3:50 pm

There was a group camped to me that were not exactly fratboynewbies since they were older but of the same mentality.

They barely stayed for the burn. They complained that most of the women put their clothes on at night when it was too cold.
It was like this when I got here, honest.

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Post by BlueBirdPoof » Mon Dec 22, 2003 4:02 pm

Did they also complain that not all the naked women were sufficiently attractive?

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Post by MrChevere » Tue Dec 23, 2003 7:06 pm

actually, they didn't complain about insufficiently attractive naked women, to me, at least.

were there any? i must have missed them. there was so much going on i missed a lot of things.

one of them did say he didn't like seeing all the naked men. must have been a latent homosexual.
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Post by Dr. Pyro » Wed Dec 24, 2003 8:11 am

I don't mean to be critical, but the steriotype of "fratboyz" is hurtful to those of us in the great majority who are indeed gentlemen, would not consider for a moment to harass a woman, have no negative feelings for the bi- or lesbian lifestyle (or gay lifestyle for that matter), and keep in mind we are not the only ones who have been known to leave beer cans behind. It's sad when you paint men in general with such a wide brush. It makes one wonder who is indeed intolerant. Just my opinion and I could be wrong.

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Post by BlueBirdPoof » Mon Dec 29, 2003 8:29 am

Dr. Pyro wrote:I don't mean to be critical, but the steriotype of "fratboyz" is hurtful to those of us in the great majority

It's sad when you paint men in general with such a wide brush.
Sorry Doc, but when I use "fratboys" it's in part to avoid "painting men in general" with that wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide brush. I use it in a specific sense to denote those groups of men who use alcohol, other drugs, and peer--well not pressure, more like peer--comraderie as excuses to behave as boorishly as posible. (Yes, I'm aware that they probably do not frame their motives and behavior as such.) Based on context, not only here on e-playa, but also on comments from burners made even before I attended the event it is not a particularly deviant usage in these communities. I will point out here, that within my own experience, not all current and former members of fraternities display these behaviors and that not all those who display it have been pledged to a fraternity. I also use it in other contexts, such as in certain cases of discussing our appointed leader, who not only belonged to a frat, but still, 30 years later, seems to carry some of the behavioral and attitudinal marks.

If we outlaw the use of "fratboy" as a signifier, then what do you propose as a easy linguistic marker to seperate those men on playa who "get it" and behave in such a way that we all men and women can feel comfortable and even proud of such men for bucking the socialization process and those who just make us think well, I coulda just stayed home for Labor Day?

(I also lived for 2 and 1/2 years on a frat row, so I do have some direct experience of the breed.)

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Post by Badger » Mon Dec 29, 2003 8:38 am

what do you propose as a easy linguistic marker to seperate those men...
'Republican' has worked for me thus far.
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Post by Dr. Pyro » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:06 am

What would I call these idiots who show such boorish behavior? How about assholes, or boorish assholes, or idiotic assholes? It may well be that I am the one who just "doesn't get it", but I spent four years in a fraternity (ZBT at UC Santa Barbara) and the louts you refer to (and don't get me wrong, I have seen that type of behavior, especially from the Lambda Chis) are no more indicative of the overwhelming percentage of men who attended fraternities than any other subgroup. You may as well say all gays are hairdressers or something equally as absurd. Forgive me for this rant, it's just a subject and a steriotype I find repugnent if, for no other reason, it's almost exclusively used by someone who had never been in the Greek system. But of course, you "...lived near fraternities..." so I guess that would make you an expert. My bad.

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Post by Isotopia » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:20 am

What would I call these idiots who show such boorish behavior?
It's either Lydia/Ivy/Reb-A brought out the word 'fucktard' followed closely on the heels of 'asshat.'

Either on slams the idea home I think.

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Post by BlueBirdPoof » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:40 am

Love your suggestions, Iso, but posting from work I try and avoid red flags like tard and hat.

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Post by lurker » Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:12 pm

Doc Pyro's got it--'asshole' is good. Particularly since it's non-specific.

ANYONE can be an asshole. Only a fratboy can be a frat boy

Besides that doesn't 'yahoo' work?

spectator?

there's a lot of frat boys on the playa that are not able to fit into that mold..

Of course, if we use 'yahoo', does that make the rest of us 'hwinims'?
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PolyParadise.... answers & opinions

Post by billvaxman » Fri Jan 02, 2004 6:35 pm

This post is mostly in answer to Djaded's question... to wit:

"What could someone expect to see/experience when visiting a poly camp? (I already KNOW but was curious about personal good/bad experiences)"

I've been to Burning Man twice. Both times I camped in Poly Paradise. The camp has two official "events"... the daily Human Carcass Wash and the following Poly High Tea. I can tell you what they are supposed to be... and I can tell you how they actually work out.

First I would like to make the disclaimer that I am not an official spokesman for Poly Paradise, and that the opinions expressed here are mine alone and may not reflect the opinions of other members of the camp, or the camp organizers. For more OFFICIAL information on Poly Paradise see references at the end.

The Human Carcass Wash is one of the nice ways to get clean at Burning Man. Stroke Greg (who tends to be the master of ceremonies there) is constantly saying that the purpose of the Human Carcass Wash is to learn about how to ask people what their limits are, and to practice respecting those limits. Getting clean is a secondary benefit. It works like this....
There are 3 (sometimes 4, I'll explain) "washing stations". People form 2 lines facing each other.

The first group of 4 (2 on each side) are given spray bottles with a mild soap solution. Between them is a large basin. A person steps into the basin to be soaped. THE FIRST THING THAT GROUP IS SUPPOSED TO DO IS ASK THE PERSON WHAT THEIR LIMITS ARE. Example: No soap in the face. Once this is clear they spray the person down respecting their limits. Once soapy, that person steps to the next station.

This is scrubbing. Again, the 4 people manning (womanizing?) this station are supposed to ask for the person's limits. Example: I'll wash my own dick/pussy or don't touch my breasts... Then, 4 sets of hands are supposed to scrub that person, again respecting the limits. After sufficient scrubbing, that person steps to the next station.

This is rinse and squeegee. 4 people with spray bottles of clear water ask for limits again, and then rinse the person off. They can use their hands to "squeegee" the person down, again respecting limits. Depending on the size of the crowd the RINSE and SQUEEGEE might be split into 2 stations so that more people get to participate.

Not the trick is... You cannot walk up and get washed. You start at the back of the line and work your way through all the stations until you are at the head of the line, THEN you get to go through.

How does it work in actual practice? Pretty darn good. There are people who "work the lines" (that would be me), introducing people to the end of the line, telling people what their job is, promoting people up the line (e.g. Taking their rinse bottle away and telling them they are now a scrubber), making sure the bottles stay full, and constantly constantly telling people to ask for, state, and respect each person's limits.

Possible down sides to this event:

1) Cameras: We have signs that we put to indicate that while this is occurring the area is a NO CAMERA ZONE. In practice the people who are enjoying the activity tend to chase off any camera people pretty darn quickly, though I will not say it can't happen. People are able to be more free at Burning Man than they can in the "so-called" real world... but you have to respect the fact that some of these people might not want what goes on there to become "public" in ways they don't control.

2) Gawkers: I'm usually much to busy running the line to pay much attention the gawk factor. We do try to run the HCW on a side of the camp that is not next to a main road. It's unlikely that you would stumble upon the HCW unless you were looking for it, though 200 naked people can be quite a crowd. I would imagine that with all the sights to see at Burning Man, standing and watching the HCW would get kind of boring pretty quick. After all, as is the case with nudist resorts, the average human body is just that... pretty average. And we don't limit the HCW to only the beautiful people (though in a way, everyone who participates fully is already beautiful).

3) Participants who don't respect the limits: The HCW is not only about respecting stated limits.. it's also about STATING them. If someone violates your limits let be known in clear terms and someone like me will ask the participant to either respect what we are doing, or leave. There is no room for a lack of respect here. None. Should a participant decide to be obnoxious... well, as a previous post noted the ratio of men to women at Burning Man will assure me of plenty of deputizable help in convincing the person to leave.

4) Participants who ... how shall I say this... don't want to be promoted: This is purely my problem as someone who runs the line. I'm (one of) the people who taps someone on the shoulder and says "You are now a scrubber.", or "You are now a soaper", and who hands them the appropriate bottle, or takes it out of their hands, etc. And I've noticed people, now and then, who find they like a spot on the line and don't want to "move on". This is easily solved with a hand on the shoulder and a sympathetic "Now, you really have to move up.. you've been promoted."

In sum... I've been involved in running the HCW for 2 years, and for most of the people who participate it is a strange, fun, and sometimes invigorating experience that generates plenty of repeat business and new volunteers. Once people understand how it works we get volunteers from the participants, and water donations from everywhere. (NOTE: we recapture and process most of the water from this event and are recognized by the Earth Guardians as having one of the best gray water processing systems on the Playa thanks to our gray water master, Steve - he just LIVES for it.)

Poly High Tea is held after the HCW and is open to anyone who wants to sit in our covered communal area, sip tea, eat cookies and listen/talk to people who are actively involved in a poly lifestyle. It's a very informal discussion with no set topic, and no set ending time (though dinner preparations might start in the communal kitchen and that's pretty much and indication that it's time to wrap things up). Topics in the past have included: how to handle scheduling between partners, what about jealousy, legal problems, raising children in a poly home, what's poly and what's swinging and what's the difference, whether to obey speed limits on the highway (for real), how did YOU get started as poly, etc. etc.

There is a very low gawker factor on this since, if you're not interested in the discussion, it gets boring quick. Nothing much to titillate a frat type here. The only downside is, sometimes, trying to hear what people have to say due to outside noise, or low voices. There's no pressure to participate, though we usually do a round robin everyone introduce yourself kind of thing at some point. I'm usually there, but so worn out from the HCW that it's my afternoon relaxation time in a comfy chair (well.. as comfy as a camp chair can be.. we don't have alot of couches).

Now to address the NON-FORMAL aspects of Poly Paradise.

Djaded wrote: "Do you have any suggestions to thwart unwanted attention from overly eager poly people?" - A good firm NO will work just fine. If the person continues then I have to wonder if they are really poly. One of the things that is VERY VERY big in the poly community everywhere is RESPECT. It's difficult to make a relationship with two people work... it's friggin impossible with more than 2 without COMMUNICATION and RESPECT. If someone advertises themselves as "poly" and does not respect your simple "I'm not interested in a physical (or other) relationship with you." - then I guarantee you, they are not poly.. or they are insanely dense. Insanely dense people don't last long in the poly community as I have experienced it.

For my part, it's impossible for me to know if my attention is unwanted until I've given it, and been told at that point that it's unwanted. This almost never happens to me.... mostly because I never give someone "attention" until they've smacked me with a 2x4 and asked for it. I tend to be something of a loner as a result. (a poly loner.. hum.. have to think on that.)

Djaded wrote: "By "observing *mostly*" I meant we would be participating to the degree that my GF anf I felt comfortable in the poly camps."

Well, I have laid out the things you can "participate" in, and how that participation can work. Contributions are always welcome, especially work and water. Should you want to camp with Poly Paradise you would be welcome and allowed to participate in other aspects of the camp - communal meals, communal food, communal cold water supply, easy gray water disposal, the ability to relieve yourself without necessarily having to go the porto-potties (I won't explain that, but is has to do with the chemistry of gray water processing - explanation available on the Poly Paradise page).

There are other aspects of poly paradise that are available to camp members and invitees that are not made public. You and your GF would not even be AWARE of this unless you received and accepted an invitation to participate from a camp member.

Djaded wrote: "Also, I did not say I had a problem with hanging out with an older crowd in the poly camps (they probably have a few things to teach me) I was just wondering if I could expect a similar age range (35-45) that we find at the Texas "lifestyle" clubs and parties. "

I'm 49 (yes, I had a draft card once and was actually CALLED a hippie).... and I think I'm one of the older people in poly paradise, though most of them probably don't know that and I don't let on. I'm close to, or at the top of, the age range you will find there. Last year the age range dropped to less than 1 as we had a baby at the camp, though that's probably not very informative for you. I don't know all the ages involved but I would say early thirties up to me.

In my experience poly people tend to be an older crowd in general because younger people are pretty much still learning how to make one-on-one relationships work, and only later realize that, perhaps other ways of relating can work too. (Insert standard disclaimer here - IMHO - your mileage may vary, etc) I did monogamy in my first marriage for 17 years. It's not my thing anymore, though many in the poly community would NOT call me poly (because their mileage varies). C'est la vie - difference makes the world go round.

Now: On to the references I promised:

The Official Poly Paradise website - at least I guess you could call it that - can be found at:

http://www.azcompuguy.com/polyparadise

You can reach our Camp Daddy - at scott (at) azcompuguy (dot) com


Once again.... I am not an official representative of PolyParadise, Burning Man, BLC, or the BLM. I'm just a guy with opinions ever bit as worthless as everyone else's.
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Post by _tears_ » Sun Jan 04, 2004 9:32 pm

In all honesty this isnt something to fret about, you just deal with it if it happens and if it doesnt well that is a good thing.

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dj_john69
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Post by dj_john69 » Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:47 pm

> a woman rolling hard

Yeah, e-tards can be a pain. But they're easily distracted by shiny things.
^^Thats some funny but true shit !!


Djaded...after attending BM for my 8th year, you really don't have much to worry about...including your personal safety. Black Rock City has got to be the safest place on Earth for 7 days. Shit does happen but usually it is caused by being carless or stupid. There are more DEA, cops, Black Rock Rangers, security, and medical personal than you can imagine. You are almost always under someones eyes or within an earshot if you need help.

Once you get on the Playa, you can see the amazing vibe that we call Burning Man...people are great, music is plenty and the party is always. You do have to check yourself though...don't push your limits. Enjoy the time feeling free and safe and when you get back home, you'll see that you didn't have any worries.

~John - Reno, Nv.

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