Help Prosecute Paul Addis

[--Ever--]

A cool way to protest BM would be to build something bigger and better than the man, and let the general public come out and burn it.

Lovin' it! I feel the same way. There just seems to be so many better ways to get "his" point across than simply torching the man.

[Walienweird]

So what, we got some new drama to talk about, a lot of free publicity, and we still had a man to burn, thanks to the spirit of volunteer ism that makes the whole shebang possible in the first place! Let it go, and watch out next year.

[K-mom]

Hey asshole... just because you don't like something doesn't give you the right to burn it.
I'll be looking for YOUR camp next year so I can watch and cheer if anyone torches it.

This is like Lord of the Flies, only in the desert. Cool.

[Toolmaker]

Hey asshole... just because you don't like something doesn't give you the right to burn it.
I'll be looking for YOUR camp next year so I can watch and cheer if anyone torches it.

This is like Lord of the Flies, only in the desert. Cool.

I have to agree with Cap. We have lots of freedoms at Burningman but we CAN NOT burn anyone elses shit PERIOD! Nobody forces these fanatics that are opposed to BM for whatever reasoning to get a tickets and obsess about our community. We welcome anyone and everyone with very few rules. This was an attack against the community as a whole and not specifically the org or certain camps. The manslaughter of the man did not stop the event. If anything it increased publicity for free and will see record ticket sales next year. The catchy theme will also be quite a riot for next year. Fuckwad arsonist should have just stayed home crying watching the burn on current tv. Now he gets to do some serious time for his 15 minutes. And Larry makes even more money next year. Yeah.. very effective protest/attack/whatever.

[spectabillis]

heh.. manslaughter of the man.. now thats a new one.

jesus toolmaker that sounds like anger management issues when you refer to inanimate objects as human with the destruction as a human crime.

[burningflyer]

Anarchy is the enemy of community. Bullies and cowards use anarchy and suppression of speech to gain influence and power that the majority of the community would not allow them or condone.

Individual input to our representatives, allows the beliefs and views of many to be heard over the destruction caused by few. The legal consequences of anarchistic actions send a clear message to perpetrators and followers of our rejection or acceptance of their actions.

Let your thoughts be heard by the Pershing County District Attorney

Jim C. Shirley

Criminal and Juvenile Case: To promote the safety of public by prosecuting criminal and juvenile cases in a fair and judicious manner and to the extent as allowed by law, while understanding and attempting to lessen the impact on victims and witnesses;

Pershing County Court House

400 Main Sreet

P.O. Box 299

Lovelock , NV 89419-0299

(775) 273-2613

Facsimile (775) 273 7058

[email protected]

[spectabillis]

Anarchy is the enemy of community.

you really dont understand burningman since anarchy has always been a part of the community. but what you do understand is repeatedly pusing an agenda without care or concern for discussions with others is the only way to make your green theme contribution important.

[burningflyer]

Media Myth #5

Burning Man is an apocalyptic anarchist party

The popular notion of anarchy revolves around the ideal of total freedom, and this is naturally applied to our event. In its crudest form, this results in the assertion that, "you can do anything at Burning Man", yet this is not quite the case. Burning Man promotes "radical self-expression". Our literature recommends a broad tolerance of other peoples tastes and ideas, and, unquestionably, the 1st amendment is better exercised in Black Rock City than in any other community in America. This tolerance, however, has never extended to anti-social acts. Our temporary city is consciously designed to create an intense sense of community. It forms an ordered civic entity that is created with the aid of hundreds of volunteers. Like any such community, it has rules and these are published in our Survival Guide. Far from glorying in displays of diesel powered destruction, we have actually banned the use of motor vehicles. The display and use of firearms is also prohibited. This myth is partly the result of confusing certain exhibitions of machine art with "Mad Max" scenarios, a popular movie-inspired fantasy. The comparison summons up visions of a gutted landscape populated by violent outlaws. Yet, what self-respecting version of Armageddon would create its own volunteer security corps numbering in the hundreds? It is a fatuous association, and mainly derives from the fact that many of the artworks at Burning Man are, in fact, burned. This is part of an esthetic which focuses on immediacy and evanescence and is more related to our Leave No Trace and Tread Lightly policy of land use, than to thoughtless mayhem and destruction.

Philosophic anarchism, on the other hand, does have a long intellectual pedigree that relates to certain aspects of Burning Man. The essential anarchist idea is that cooperation and mutual aid are the natural state of man. All that is necessary for harmonious living, it is held, are certain useful customs that have no need of law to insure respect-- and, largely, we have found this to be true. The basic rules of Burning Man are only ten, and such as may be understood by anyone with common sense. Our Black Rock Rangers practice non-confrontational techniques that work quite effectively. Through careful community planning we have created a city of thousands where serious crime is virtually unknown-- certainly well below the rate in any comparable city.

http://www.burningman.com/press/myths.html#anarchist

[honeyfire]

Seems like various people have various ideas of what they mean by "anarchy".
Since dictionary.com (based on Random House in this entry) can't quite decide either, i can see where a consencus meaning could be hard to achieve.
Are we talking defs 1 and 3, or defs 2 and 4?

an-ar-chy:
1. a state of society without government or law.

2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy.

3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary
association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.

4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.

anarchy
1539, from M.L. anarchia, from Gk. anarkhia "lack of a leader," noun of state from anarkhos "rulerless," from an- "without" + arkhos "leader" (see archon). Anarchist (1678) got a boost into modernity from the French Revolution. Anarcho-syndicalism is first recorded 1913.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper


And by the way
Paul Addis = wussy.

[spectabillis]

Seems like various people have various ideas of what they mean by "anarchy".

yep, and when you apply that variability to a large number of people the meaning will expand with it, so the discussion usually results in semantics.

my test: ask people, if enough of them say its anarchistic thats a decent indicator. not saying its purely anarchistic since i doubt nothing is, but definately has a presence.

[Kinetik V]

Anarchy is the enemy of community.

you really dont understand burningman since anarchy has always been a part of the community. but what you do understand is repeatedly pusing an agenda without care or concern for discussions with others is the only way to make your green theme contribution important.

Burnier than thou, eh? Pushing agendas? You've never done that on the eplaya SB. You're the uber-Burner, arbitrator of online and on-playa coolness, of what's right and wrong. Oh great defender of arsonists and performance artists, you stand steadfast in your conviction that Mr. Addis is a hero and deserves full support. You rail at our rants that we refuse to support a criminal who deserves pity, if that, and continue to promote your own agenda at every chance you get.

In short, some of us recoil in disgust at supporting arsonists and it is unconscionable that you can continue to defend him. You should be ashamed.

[spectabillis]

seems the only person attributing any significant influence on board opinion that i might have.. is you. since i neither desire nor seek it, i am sure your motivation is due to the countless times i stood up to you while arbitrating your many personal conflicts.

isnt it time you stopped making personal comments? we're not your parents here, and the confrontational kind of attention you seek is not socially healthy.

[Kinetik V]

seems the only person attributing any significant influence on board opinion that i might have.. is you. since i neither desire nor seek it, i am sure your motivation is due to the countless times i stood up to you while arbitrating your many personal conflicts.

isnt it time you stopped making personal comments? we're not your parents here, and the confrontational kind of attention you seek is not socially healthy.

I'm well aware the board and yourself are not surrogate parents, nor do I have a need for such things these days. But I take pleasure in needling someone who feels inclined to support an arsonist, a person who if they committed the same act in any other place in America would be charged, tried, and almost certainly convicted. I just don't get how you can offer this guy your support! It's mindboggling.

[Cabana Springs]

seems the only person attributing any significant influence on board opinion that i might have.. is you. since i neither desire nor seek it, i am sure your motivation is due to the countless times i stood up to you while arbitrating your many personal conflicts.

isnt it time you stopped making personal comments? we're not your parents here, and the confrontational kind of attention you seek is not socially healthy.

What the hell is a BB for if not to make personal comments. Sounds to me like you are making flaming remarks to get attention and can't support your own argument. Maybe it is you and not Addis who needs our sympathy?

[--Ever--]

What the hell is a BB for if not to make personal comments. Sounds to me like you are making flaming remarks to get attention and can't support your own argument. Maybe it is you and not Addis who needs our sympathy?

The dog in your sig is awesome! Makes me miss my two Aussies.

Oh, and yeah, rabble rabble arnarchy rabble rabble!!

[spectabillis]

... someone who feels inclined to support an arsonist.

your wrong, i dont support him. i am very much against the hate attitude combined with a communal beating, and some peoples attempts to ensure he gets the maximum sentance of twenty years in prison - i think thats disgusting.

but this doesnt detract from your overwhelming history of conflict and behaviour that continues, fortunately most veterans here are aware of it and i will continue to point it out for newcomers.

[Kinetik V]

He certainly doesn't deserve the maximum sentence....we agree on that.
But while you were dredging up my previous board history for nefarious purposes I was firing off a letter to the prosecutor that asks for some common sense to be used when determining charges and sentencing when it comes to that. I hope you can step away from slam mode long enough to put your beliefs into practice and make your position known to the prosecutor's office.

[Badger]

I was kinda interested in seeing in which direction the anarchy discussion was gonna go. There was a time when I threw the 'a' word in when describing the event but quickly realized that the word is damn near schizophrenic on some levels. Hell, is it possible for the definitions of a word to be mutually exclusive? Surely if there's a word for it to happen to it should be 'anarchy.'

For me I think where the word fall short - if not on its face - is when it's used with no inclusion or reference to the social contract that's implicit in even the most lawless, non-governed situations.

[madmatt]

Hey Master Mis-Quote...Funny how you get defensive when I talk about YOUR stuff burning!

You called me an asshole.

[Toolmaker]

heh.. manslaughter of the man.. now thats a new one.

jesus toolmaker that sounds like anger management issues when you refer to inanimate objects as human with the destruction as a human crime.

I talked to the man, just because he didn't respond doesn't mean he didn't hear me. I often talk to the shop equipment and sometimes the CNC equipment does what I tell it to. Just because something was made and it seemingly inanimate doesn't mean it doesn't have a spirit/soul.

[Bob]

Re: the alleged perp, I don't really care a lot what happens, I just hope the law is as fair as in any similar case. I still think having him work on a Nevada fire crew for a couple years would be more than fair, but given that he was an attorney and should have known better, I really don't care a lot.

My greater concern is with what people make & build at Burning Man, eg the Man, or anything else out there. Friends of mine have experienced their art or craft being destroyed or stolen by other people for no good reason, and I've seen the absolute heartbreak it causes. I don't believe a tool or any inanimate object has a soul, no more than as an atheist I believe you or I or the alleged perp have souls. However, I do believe that hearts break, I've seen it in the faces of these friends of mine who'll never build anything for Burning Man again because of people like the alleged perp.

[Cabana Springs]

Re: the alleged perp, I don't really care a lot what happens, I just hope the law is as fair as in any similar case. I still think having him work on a Nevada fire crew for a couple years would be more than fair, but given that he was an attorney and should have known better, I really don't care a lot.

My greater concern is with what people make & build at Burning Man, eg the Man, or anything else out there. Friends of mine have experienced their art or craft being destroyed or stolen by other people for no good reason, and I've seen the absolute heartbreak it causes. I don't believe a tool or any inanimate object has a soul, no more than as an atheist I believe you or I or the alleged perp have souls. However, I do believe that hearts break, I've seen it in the faces of these friends of mine who'll never build anything for Burning Man again because of people like the alleged perp.

Finally - someone that get's it!!!

[TheJudge]

What this boils down to is basically an infringement on the rights of others. Something that has been a tennet for the existance of this event for many years and something thatis becoming a bigger issue with the increase in population.

The fact that Addis torched the man is not that big of a deal. How many of us have considered how they would do it if they had the balls? How many thought, "What would happen if...?"

There will always be one or two idiots out there that think they are above the law or that the rules dont apply to them. These people are the ones that take parts off of someone's art, and are usually the ones that try to sneak in every year. When the population of the city is a few thousand, you may one get one or two idiots. If the population is 47,000, you are going to get a larger percentage.

[diane o'thirst]

you really dont understand burningman since anarchy has always been a part of the community. but what you do understand is repeatedly pusing an agenda without care or concern for discussions with others is the only way to make your green theme contribution important.

Spec — with all due respect — lighten up already.

The guy's just fronting important information to interested parties along with the dictum "Communicate your thoughts to..." yadda.

He's not saying "Go to San Francisco and hunt Paul Addis down like a dog." He's not advocating blocking the sidewalk of the Pershing County Courthouse with a pitchfork-and-torch-wielding mob.

There's the address, there are the people, if you want to support him write or call in. If you oppose what he did, write or call in and let your thoughts be heard and considered. That's the long and short of it.

[spectabillis]

diane: i think you and most people might have missed the earlier references. the poster is solar death ray and a supporter of the green theme where a close associate of his was a contributor - the showcase was damaged in the pavillian so he stated his motivation for the persecution of paul was due to that.

he posted that he wants paul to get the maximum sentance possible of twenty years in prison and supports that effort by posting contact information repeatedly here, on several topics in the burningman tribe, and several other topics in several other tribes.

people have directly asked questions but there has only been three examples of responses, and they didnt really provide an answer to them. most people would consider that spam, i am not sure, but i still dont appreciate it.

yes, it reads like i am being heavy handed, but he's pushing an agenda here and its the only way to engage him and avoid the spam label.

[spectabillis]

... But while you were dredging up my previous board history for nefarious purposes ...

its not past history since you continue as well as drag others into it. of all the volunteers that have dealt with conflicts you are currently tied for second place in pissing them off while no org staff member wants to deal with you. there is also no reason i should be getting into this with you in yet another topic, but you always make a point of dragging it out. so my last reply on it here, do the same.

[Kinetik V]

SB, 2-3 years ago you would have been correct but not anymore.
May I remind our readers that you hold the dubious distinction of being the first eplaya moderator that the community even discussed yanking moderator rights away from!
Your current posting patterns and confusing statements go far in explaining why the community was correct in it's assessment.
In any event I would ask that before you hit that "submit" button that you put as much time and energy into a letter to the prosecutor asking for common sense charges and sentencing guidelines as you will spilling out a thinly veiled vitriolic response to me. Mr. Addis and the community at large will benefit from your efforts.

[Captain Goddammit]

Here's the deal:

I didn't like the whole pavillion thing either. It seemed as if the powers that be at the LLC "sold us out" a little. Maybe I'm wrong and I don't get it and it was for the best, whatever...
But you know what I did about it? I DIDN'T GO TO IT!

Commiting arson, setting fire to someone else's art and property is bullshit. Supporting a criminal who does that is bullshit.

Maybe if there were some atrocious violation of civil liberties or other such life-threatening emergency going on, drastic action like that would be called for. This is just a goddamm art festival.

I'll bet every one of you that supports Paul Addis-hole would be really pissed if someone burned YOUR stuff.

[ibdave]

Here's the deal:

I didn't like the whole pavillion thing either. It seemed as if the powers that be at the LLC "sold us out" a little. Maybe I'm wrong and I don't get it and it was for the best, whatever...
But you know what I did about it? I DIDN'T GO TO IT!

Man Cap, you said what I felt... I rode around the ring and that was it.

( I'm sorry I didn't meet you this year... I did ride past you and yelled at you. You yelled back at me, so I guess we did meet.. Did see the CAT and crew enjoying the hell out your rig late in the week.. They all had a smile of relief.)

[burningflyer]

he posted that he wants paul to get the maximum sentance possible of twenty years in prison and supports that effort by posting contact information repeatedly here, on several topics in the burningman tribe, and several other topics in several other tribes.

I have never in any post suggested to anyone what his sentence should be. I consider it freedom of speech to advise supporters and opponents of his actions, so they too can let their feelings be known to the BLM and the Pershing County DA & Judge.

In the strongest words possible, I will let you know how I feel about a debate of my personal feelings in this or any other public kangaroo court.

FUCK OFF you habitually dishonest, deceitful ass wipe !!!