Help Prosecute Paul Addis

[eplaya mess up]

Man -

wha a heated topic. My take, fine him the costs for rebuilding and put him on probation.

I done see Arson as an intelligent charge, although he did set fire to the man. But was the man not going to burn 120 hours later anyways? i se it as burning my slash pile a week early?

As far as the pavillion goes - that was a dismall failure - I would have liked to se it burn to the ground. I saw every exhibit before, dureing the fire, and during the reconstruction. Nothing in there was worth looking at. The "technology" looked like a middle school science fair. I could have built EVERY project there to the same quality that was exhibited in a couple of weekends, and with a grand of funds.

There has been a concerted effort to burn the anorexic statue for years. So this was nothing new. No one got hurt, although the potential was there. IMHO a charge of reckless endangerment is appropriate not arson.

also - ther is no way you can ban someone from Burningman. It is just not logistically possible. buy a ticket online, in person at many locations, or wherever. then just come through the gate.

its that simple. Sure you can trespas him ifyou find him, but who is going to recognize him in a year, when he has a year to grow his hair, die it, paint his face, wear a mask, shave his head, etc.

later

[spectabillis]

SB, 2-3 years ago you would have been correct but not anymore. May I remind our readers that you hold the dubious distinction of being the first eplaya moderator that the community even discussed yanking moderator rights away from!

nope, as i changed my role and the role of moderator i asked for the creation of a new group without the ability to manipulate posts, then had myself placed in that group. if you doubt what i am saying you can ask emily who is still the main person in the admin group, or one of the other volunteers to track the info down.

fortunately your behavior has made huge improvements, but your problems still persist, and no volunteer will ever be intimidated into standing up to you and saying so.

you habitually dishonest, deceitful ass wipe !!![/b]

how so? i am searching over the related tribe topics now to find the reference to your support of twenty years, and where you say an associate of yours had their showcase damaged in the pavillian which was your motivation. you are solar death ray. this is only the fourth reply that i have seen. you have cut-and-pasted exactly the same post here as well as numerous tribe topics.

[diane o'thirst]

diane: i think you and most people might have missed the earlier references. the poster is solar death ray and a supporter of the green theme where a close associate of his was a contributor - the showcase was damaged in the pavillian so he stated his motivation for the persecution of paul was due to that.

Ahhhhmmm...<i>I</i> was a supporter of the green theme. And I wasn't terribly opposed to the pavilion display. They weren't selling, they weren't even allowed to hand out promotional materials or business cards. And if a friend of mine was a contributor to that, you BET I'd be pissed off at PDA ten ways to Sunday. I don't think he should go to jail for 20 years, that's a little excessive, but I think he should be fined more than $15,000. His supporters could and would raise that in record time and it wouldn't impact him at all. He'd virtually get away scot-free.

That having been said...I'm not on Tribe (thank God), and I haven't seen the info on other threads, so I was going under that assumption.

<i>That</i> having been said...you also said that the Man isn't "just anyone's art." No, it isn't, but it's still art. Didn't we have this problem a few years ago when arsonists and thieves had a field day with the art on the Playa? Would you suggest forgiving the guy who ripped off a bunch of those solar lily pads? The dillhole who kept vandalizing the L2K pods and obelisks? The guy who was messing with Mardi Storm's pegasus rising out of the Playa? How about the clown who was mugging people and stealing their bikes? Where are the threads about them? I still think "Lily Pond = the Temple = The Man." The wind and dust can do what they want but respect is respect. And respect comes from humans.

And on that note, Burning Flyer — the name-calling was uncalled for. Welcome to the Oublieyet. [PLONK]

[spectabillis]

uhh diane.. i never said the man wasnt art, in fact thats the second time someone has made that wrong assumption and i corrected them on it. neither did i say or imply that solar death ray shouldnt be upset.

and despite name calling it doesnt surprise me, seems to be common with some around here.

[Stryder]

The Pavilion: Please keep in mind I am talking about the space under the man, not the Green exhibits that were around it.
I experienced the pavilion under the man Monday night, before the arson. For me the space was absolutely awesome, and I went there as a skeptic. It was perfect.
The feeling there was incredibly peaceful and the people I observed there were really having a great time talking, hanging out with each other, and all in all having a wonderful time. The place had a meditative, tranquil vibe.

Nobody had the right to strip that from us. We all had something irreplacable taken away. If I was a church goer, I now know how it would feel to have your church burned.
I will always be grateful for the memory of that space before it was violated by one person who had a beef with Burning Man not living up to his memory of what it used to be. The same person who admits he hadn't gone since 1998, but still felt he knew enough about it to steal the experience from others.
What a waste. I can only imagine the wonderful encounters and energy that space would have given us over the week.
Watching the Man resurrect was pretty spectacular though, and a perfect F.Y. to Addis, may he serve many long years.

[Toolmaker]

Here's the deal:

I didn't like the whole pavillion thing either. It seemed as if the powers that be at the LLC "sold us out" a little. Maybe I'm wrong and I don't get it and it was for the best, whatever...
But you know what I did about it? I DIDN'T GO TO IT!

Man Cap, you said what I felt... I rode around the ring and that was it.

Same here.. I wasn't all that keen on it, I chose to show my opinion by not going at all. I also skipped Ceenter Camp for commercial reasons.

[Stryder]

No problem with staying away from the things you don't like, I'm just curious how many of the nay-sayers actually checked out the 'exhibits'.
I found them to be FAR less intrusive than I imagined, and I don't recall seeing a 'single brand' name on anything.
I did find the exhibit for the biodegradable casket extremely enlightening concerning the environmental impact of simply being buried.
Anybody check that out?

But I also stand by the great space that was under the man. It had a temple like quality, and it was a shame to see it destroyed. That space only lasted for the few hours on Monday night, so you just have to take my word for it. Hope that's good enough...

Here's the deal:

I didn't like the whole pavillion thing either. It seemed as if the powers that be at the LLC "sold us out" a little. Maybe I'm wrong and I don't get it and it was for the best, whatever...
But you know what I did about it? I DIDN'T GO TO IT!

Man Cap, you said what I felt... I rode around the ring and that was it.

Same here.. I wasn't all that keen on it, I chose to show my opinion by not going at all. I also skipped Ceenter Camp for commercial reasons.

[Captain Goddammit]

Here's the deal:

I didn't like the whole pavillion thing either. It seemed as if the powers that be at the LLC "sold us out" a little. Maybe I'm wrong and I don't get it and it was for the best, whatever...
But you know what I did about it? I DIDN'T GO TO IT!

Man Cap, you said what I felt... I rode around the ring and that was it.

Same here.. I wasn't all that keen on it, I chose to show my opinion by not going at all. I also skipped Ceenter Camp for commercial reasons.

Yeah, as a matter of fact, I didn't go to Center Camp either. I know the money gets donated, but still, no one else gets to sell anything. I brought my own coffee.
And I'd be pissed if Addis-hole torched Center Camp even if I don't like the fact that BM runs an espresso store there.

You just can't go setting fire to people's stuff. You can if you don't mind getting your ass kicked, either literally or legally, if you get caught, and Addis got caught. It WAS arson, look it up. Arson isn't too much to charge him with, by any means, and he's got an ass-kicking coming from the court system. He earned it.

[DaBomb]

Coming into this topic late....

Sheesh, I thought everybody was cracked out on Tribe! You guy's crack me up!

It's concerning that there's a letter writing campaign to save/throttle Paul Addis. As if justice can be served by a democratic vote!

I think PA is a big boy. I think he knew what he was prepared to suffer the consequences of his actions. For whatever you may think of his actions, for whatever condemnation or praise you have for them, I think the guy had enormous courage to take a stand on something he felt strongly about.

It's people like him, people like Cindy Sheehan, people like Julia Butterfly Hill that fucking give a shit about the world around them to actually make a statement.

God, you'd think PA was a suicide bomber or something. Nobody was harmed in the burning of the Man and thank God. He wasn't trying to hurt anybody, he was trying to make people think. Yeah, think!

And you know what? He fucking succeeded.

I WISH somebody could pull a stunt like this to end the war. You all bitch that many burners suffered for PA's act. Well, fucking hell, PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING in God damned Iraq and nobody's doing shit all about it.

[Lassen Forge]

True, it took guts to do that.

The question remains, tho... was the consequence, still nwritten for Mr. Addis, worth the moment? That chapter has yet to be written.

He looks... lit, as in fucked up, in his mugshot. Ever do something totally stupid when you were fucked up, gotten away with it, and later say "Oh thank God I didn;t get caught"? Or *did* get caught and had to pay some pretty bad consequences, and have to think up a strategy to survive (and explain) your actions when you were, um, fucked up?

Ya know... he's earned a place for his name in the books. Right or wrong, what's done is done. Like Larry (allegedly) said, everyone's known people have been threatening this for 15 years, it's only been a matter of time before someone did it. So... Someone did it. THe wait is over.

Let's see what hapens in court. I really hope he's not rich because the damages he could face for this could, in theory, be enormous. HIGH price to pay for infamy. It's better to face a million or 2 judgment against you if you're a broke student without a house or car or anything like that.

The BIG question is this, tho... one that bears asking. WILL the org press charges, or press it in Civil? THAT, my dears, is the real question.

bb

[DaBomb]

The BIG question is this, tho... one that bears asking. WILL the org press charges, or press it in Civil? THAT, my dears, is the real question.

Even if the Org does not press charges, wouldn't their be a some sort of Federal case or Nevada state charge? People of NV vs. Paul Addis?

I dunno. Sorry for my rant earlier. Somebody just tried to break into my home about an hour ago and the police are gone. I'm all kerfuffled.

[Lassen Forge]

The BIG question is this, tho... one that bears asking. WILL the org press charges, or press it in Civil? THAT, my dears, is the real question.

Even if the Org does not press charges, wouldn't their be a some sort of Federal case or Nevada state charge? People of NV vs. Paul Addis?

I dunno. Sorry for my rant earlier. Somebody just tried to break into my home about an hour ago and the police are gone. I'm all kerfuffled.

There is a criminal basis behind the action, ergo the mug shot seen round the world, etc... I know there's an NRS that's relevant, but I don';t know whether it can be dropped by the org if they so warrant. Now, doing so would set a really bad precedent, drop charges this time and you've abandoned any rights there...

Guess it's wait and see.

And someone tried to break in?? Ewwww... now, see, if ya lived in Texas where you would have strong gun rights and a castle defense law...
Instead of Californai where we have to let the law come and take an omniprescent report... rather than have the sheriff collect the body...

[robotland]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night

[DaBomb]

[Lassen Forge]

Free paul addis? You mean someone would have paid for a paul addis before?

Actually is good deal - I hear that the free paul addis comes with an expensive suit... )giggles(

bb

[DaBomb]

Free paul addis? I hear that the free paul addis comes with an expensive suit... )giggles(

Haven't you heard? The best things in life are free.

[Badger]

I WISH somebody could pull a stunt like this to end the war. You all bitch that many burners suffered for PA's act. Well, fucking hell, PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING in God damned Iraq and nobody's doing shit all about it.

A good example of a red herring argument Da Bomb.

[DaBomb]

I WISH somebody could pull a stunt like this to end the war. You all bitch that many burners suffered for PA's act. Well, fucking hell, PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING in God damned Iraq and nobody's doing shit all about it.

A good example of a red herring argument Da Bomb.

You're a great role model, sensei.

[Badger]

You're a great role model, sensei.

As if!

[EB]

Hey DaBomb,

Had the distinct pleasure of meeting you this year on the playa and passing by the BURNCAST tent! I'm sure you'll have plenty of topics for BC this year...

...however, I think your argument is spurious.

It's people like him, people like Cindy Sheehan, people like Julia Butterfly Hill that fucking give a shit about the world around them to actually make a statement.

Sheehan and Butterfly Hill engage in civil disobediance to further their causes. Their collective political power comes in the form of a slow, rolling seemingly unstoppable tide. With each arrest, each sit-down demonstration, the American public takes notice. They've each invested deeply in their causes and have demonstrated the power a determined individual can have over "the machine."

Addis, by contrast, took a short cut. It was too much work for him to organize and sustain a meaningful protest against, uh, whatever it was he was protesting (Corporatism? Newbies? A potpourri?) so he rolled the dice with human lives and lit the Man on fire.

That's not courage, that's sloth.

Anybody can be a piece of shit arsonist. Hell, Chicken John started his own BORG2 as a protest against how he felt the BM art grants were being distributed. The guy took up his cause against Larry and made his point.

Nobody was harmed in the burning of the Man and thank God. He wasn't trying to hurt anybody, he was trying to make people think.

A slap in the face to anybody who a) Built the Man, b) Extinguished the fire and c) Took time out of their VACATIONS to re-build the Man.

I WISH somebody could pull a stunt like this to end the war. You all bitch that many burners suffered for PA's act. Well, fucking hell, PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING in God damned Iraq and nobody's doing shit all about it.

Sorry, I don't see the linkage between a gonzo-wanabee arsonist and the war in Iraq. I think you're looking for meaning where there isn't any.

Sometimes a piece of shit arsonist is just that. As proof, I bet if you asked him if he could take it all back he'd say yes.

[DaBomb]

Thanks for a well written, well thought out post EB. Many of your points are noted and considered.

But here's one I'm gagging on: VACATION...?

To quote my sensei: as if!

As evidenced by The Hatted One's statement, the purpose of the Green Man was educational.

Here's your report card, BMorg:

TAZ 101 (check one)
Pass
Fail
Credit
No Credit
Dropped

The issue is not "what did I do on my summer vacation" this year, but rather: "what did I learn in summer school?"

I only wish I had time to get my photo in the Black Rock Year Book. I lost my syllabus in one of those dust storms while picking up acres of somebody's MOOP and being asked by a woman drinking beer in her lawn chair if I could go get ice for her if she gave me some money. She learned that radical self reliance can be bought!

Burning Man ceases to be the new American holiday, although themes like the next one would make you think it so. Rather, BRC is the new American tourist destination. Didn't you get that lousy t-shirt?

[LeChatNoir]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night

Perfect... We could all hit the streets around 2:30 tuesday morning and cry out, "Beer for the guy?!? Beer for the guy?!?"

[--Ever--]

I WISH somebody could pull a stunt like this to end the war. You all bitch that many burners suffered for PA's act. Well, fucking hell, PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING in God damned Iraq and nobody's doing shit all about it.

A good example of a red herring argument Da Bomb.

Hah I was thinking the same thing. Drop that fish baby!

[Steven bradford]

Wouldn't it be funny, (and an equivalent congruent piece of performance art) if every night this guy attempted to perform his one man show, a smoke cookie just happened to igite in an empty wastebasket in the theatre lobby, or a fire alarm was called in?

[ibdave]

http://www.amandafritz.com/node/1253


Addishole caught in the act......

[DaBomb]

http://www.amandafritz.com/node/1253


Addishole caught on film...

If this is redundant, my apologies. But Addis did talk to a camera over this past Labor Day weekend.

http://tinyurl.com/2g3wds

So, folks, in your estimation: is he throwing out a red herring?

[burningflyer]

ME ME MAN

http://mindfart.com/pic/bm2007earlyburn/

[Toolmaker]

I hope he gets the medical attention he needs while in prison.

[AKAparttime]

(PA).. Yeah I burnt the candle... NOW BRING UM ALL HOMEEE.....
What a asshat

[Sensei]

You're a great role model, sensei.

Oh no you don't: I'm stayin' out of this one. I've seen Spec's handiwork and don't need the bruisin'.