New Rules at Burningman

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:39 pm

Does that mean that you have to change your name from Jimbobwe, to Jimbuttwipe?

Hmmmm.... catchy.

mr smith

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:48 pm

Jimbobwe wrote:
"Nice sentiment, butt-wipe."
Wow, now name calling. I feel so special, now I have my own special little name!

Well, making you feel special certainly makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:57 pm

just take care of yourselves and your community as best you can folks.

SHARPER · Post by **SHARPER** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:10 pm

Ok play nice children. If Jimbuttwipe er way, wants to start a thread that sounds like its pure sarcasm he/she/they/ should expect to get some strange replies. As for the rest, several of the posts express much of my own thoughts on the matter. I will add that life is too short to be so petty - US peeps and WE folks need to go PLAY and any MOMMY will tell you that children can get hurt even when they are playing in a supervised area. Get over yourself JIMBO - relax, use your common sense or borrow some from someone of your us/we group.

Lorgasm · Post by **Lorgasm** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:30 am

I will continue to see God in everyone. I have seen some pretty amazing things at Burningman. I have seen strangers helping strangers in need. I watched a member of my "tribe" take a young girl who was alone on the playa in the dark (I think this girl was "freakin out" on something). Anyways, my friend took this girl, made her feel safe, and brought her home to her friends. I have also seen my lover take a young man into his arms. This poor young man was shivering, disoriented, and confused. He held him till he was okay, laid him down on a couch in a tent. We stayed with him till his sister came. I was given water by strangers who asked for nothing in return. They just wanted me to be safe and alive. This is what I will always hold with me.

I hope we can just keep the groove going. Agreed?

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:36 am

please don't see God in me. It is against my religion.

<continues to groove>

Lorgasm · Post by **Lorgasm** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:57 am

In you I will see the sun, the moon, and the stars; like Lucky Charms.

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:59 pm

...a 1 in 15,000 chance of dying? Not Bad. I was LOTS more worried about getting killed on the interstate than at The Event. Sure, people experience lapses in judgement that lead to injury or worse- I gave myself an "artificial mole" while soldering in the nude, and that wasn't even AT The Event! The trick is to burn twice as bright WITHOUT burning half as long.......

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:02 pm

I would love it if you could teach me that trick

Jimbobwe · Post by **Jimbobwe** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:33 am

Okay I'm over myself now- and thanks for the advice, my new name, and what I should feel, say, and do.
Truly burning,
Jimbuttwipe-erwe

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:57 am

Bob wrote:All I care about is whether scraping up your passengers' blood and intestinal ooze is going to INTERFERE WITH MY EXPERIENCE and afternoon tee-time.

Here Here, Bob.

Just an event I would share once again.

One late evening in 2001, Jack Trash, LTC (Ret) George Bush (yes, there is more than one) and I were sitting in Trego Trench discussing the world as we perceived it.

George asked once again as he had done each and every day' "What will happen when someone dies at the event? Won't the lawyers swoop down and close the entire operation down?" and other sundry comments along those lines of thought...

Because I had heard and discussed this topic with him each and every day up to that point, I finally said. "You know George, apparently my opinion means nothing to you because the answers I have provided aren't sufficient explanation... so do us all a favor and stop your continuous negative shit... because it can lead to more negative shit."

At which point he jumps across the pool and grabs my arm yelling "What are you going to do about it?' in the most threatening manner.

I simply asked him to remove himself from my space, among some other vulgar comments regarding use of force to make one's point.

Well, at approximately the same time frame... DPW volunteers were moving a trailer from 80 acres to the playa. The trailer flipped and killed a young male volunteer from the St Louis, MO area.

The following morning, I heard of the tragedy at breakfast. Goerge Bush walked up to me and asked "How did the kid get waxed?"

The response I gave was "Well George, you got your wish... now we get to see how Burning Man will deal with death as a community."

All of us at DPW grieved in our own manner... we were instructed by Will Roger to observe the safety rules at the morning DPW meeting because of our loss. At the end of W. Roger's comments another volunteer named Potato said "Ignore all the rules." Both were correct, in my humble opinion.

I don't take life or death lightly, yet a zero error world isn't within our grasp. I don't see a zero error world as much fun either.

I don't see a need for new rules as much as I see a need for adherence to some of the old rules, some of which are just plain physics.

I feel sad over the loss of friends, acquaintances and people I have yet to meet, yet I know they would want me to continue living until my number is called.

May I suggest dropping the butt-wipe from your name... it is only applicable when you act like one... not something to be worn forever, just when the title applies.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:23 am

If you were soaking at Bordello this past year, you might have unwittingly shared your bathwater with the One Armed Dog Murderer.

spaceboy · Post by **spaceboy** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:20 pm

Bob wrote:All I care about is whether scraping up your passengers' blood and intestinal ooze is going to INTERFERE WITH MY EXPERIENCE and afternoon tee-time.

yeah, seriously. This IS a Leave no Trace event after all...
--spaceboy--

...sorry....

elcircusmanotymboy · Post by **elcircusmanotymboy** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:13 am

Um, you do know that the dpw get paid (and rightfully so becouse no group of well volentters would be dumb enough to stay out there and work three months for free without being slackers from hell)
Every year betweeen 5 and 10 people die at or as a direct result of the event- only one has actually died on the playa during the actual event but you need to include traval axcidents resulting from road conditiond coused by the event and those who died off the playa as a result of injury incurred during the event. Many starry eyed idealists prefer to be in denial over this but it is a fact-its not a rainbow gathering(and i suspect more people died at Rainbow gatherings then anyone ever let on to)
The event is a thing that costs lots of money to go to and as often as not someone dies there.
It wasn't like that really before it became a fantasy weekend for wealthy people, and we had guns all over too! Go figure. ( ya ya ok fewer peeps , it was a different event then, yes its all been blah blahed to death)
After 8 years of three months a year out there it never ceases to amaze me how ignorent some people are to the facts of the thing.
me-out

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:44 pm

not that I much care about the disinction or the numbers but I don't think you can say some fuckhead, towing an overloaded trailer, who decides to blindly pass an RV at speed, ends up botching the whole manuever and as a result ends up totalling his portion of this mortal coil as well as his vehicle is directly caused by the event. Anyone excersising that kind of judgement on the road is a ticking time bomb in my book.

However, BM ain't safer than my neighborhood. No one in my neighborhood has tried to shoot me in the back with a roman candle yet.

(should I move?)

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 3:23 pm

elcircusmanotymboy wrote:Um, you do know that the dpw get paid (and rightfully so becouse no group of well volentters would be dumb enough to stay out there and work three months for free without being slackers from hell)
Every year betweeen 5 and 10 people die at or as a direct result of the event- only one has actually died on the playa during the actual event but you need to include traval axcidents resulting from road conditiond coused by the event and those who died off the playa as a result of injury incurred during the event. Many starry eyed idealists prefer to be in denial over this but it is a fact-its not a rainbow gathering(and i suspect more people died at Rainbow gatherings then anyone ever let on to)
The event is a thing that costs lots of money to go to and as often as not someone dies there.
It wasn't like that really before it became a fantasy weekend for wealthy people, and we had guns all over too! Go figure. ( ya ya ok fewer peeps , it was a different event then, yes its all been blah blahed to death)
After 8 years of three months a year out there it never ceases to amaze me how ignorent some people are to the facts of the thing.
me-out

cites on fatalities?

A point of clarification... I have received only reimbursement and a free ticket for my work at the DPW. Of course, I have only worked 3 weeks in '99 and '01... yet I incurred significant expenses... no fault of BRC LLC... just lifetstyle choices.

And yes, I recall guns at burning man... and go figure.... people acted responsibly with them.

Burning Man and society at larger don't need new rules... we simply need to observe the rules that already exist and apply.

Have a nice day folks... and be safe out there.

Joel the Ornery

elcircusmanotymboy · Post by **elcircusmanotymboy** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:18 pm

I should further clarify that the only on site paid staff(DPW, commissary perhaps a few others) are either full time year round LLC employees (of which there are probably less than 20) or people who are either hired due to specialty or legal nessicity. Specificly in reguards to the DPW the pay with the exception of managers (who get slightly more but not much)is minimum wage plus meals and the minimum time comitment is at least a month on the ground or longer. Of course anyone who is in the employ of the dpw under those conditions also attends the even- you can't very well ask someone to be there a month before hand and a month after to clean up but to go away during the event)
I do not know what the official line is reguarding reimbursements for tickets via volenteer work this but I would not assume anything at all about that this year. If you are planning that you absolutly must have your arrangements made BEFORE you arrive on site. Again i am not any sort of official voice on this. If you are planning to work for a ticket reimbursement you need to arrange it before hand- please do not just show up two weeks early with that assumption.
I've been told that there will be some sort of policy announced "sometime in march"
As far as the death toll stats, well you would have to cross reference to get the real number since BM doesn't keep track of highway deaths that i know of. Anyone really curious could always check with nevada highway patrol records and hospitals. i don't think the death toll as a result of injuries that occoured on the playa during the event was ever more than two or three on any given year. Everyone says thats pretty good odds butthat doesn't really help much if you had to be or happened to be on the scene of a fatal axcident-there's really not much that could be done about that without pretty much destroying the event. i suspect the LLC legal budget is not too small. Just play responcibly and watch your ass and those around you - any personal risks you decide to take are your business.
out

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:48 pm

As far as the death toll stats, well you would have to cross reference to get the real number since BM doesn't keep track of highway deaths that i know of.

You made the claim buck-o. Why not you belly up with the cites.

Otherwise it continues to be just so much shit rolling off your fingers as you type this stuff.

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 10:53 am

Jimbobwe wrote: Us people who cherish life

Jimbobwe wrote: I'll remember that when you lay dying on the side of the road or on the playa with your brains spilled out.

Oh great, now you're turning it into "us" and "them."

But you seem to be both.

TheMuse · Post by **TheMuse** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 3:05 pm

What is the technical definition of a butt-wipe anyway?

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 5:23 pm

What is the technical definition of a butt-wipe anyway?

Not sure. However, I think a synonym might be 'clueless.'

The Mom · Post by **The Mom** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:08 pm

Sorry there has been so much neg. feed. but I must agree with Joel who says...simply use the existing rules...and apply. None of us know for certain the details of what happened last year...so lets move on.

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Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take...but the moments that take our breath away.
George Carlin

New Rules at Burningman

You are special...

name calling/sarcasm/asking for smart ass replies

Just the facts...

Blood, stomach lining, & kidneys are MOOP

fatal injuries/dpw

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