Help Prosecute Paul Addis

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:23 pm

Valkyrie wrote:and with the legal precedent of one guy getting off easy, mummy and daddy's lawyers wouldn't have any trouble if someone tried to do something.

This is assuming no-one gets hurt or dies during the incident in question. Which could happen if the perps aren't entirely present and deliberate.

apokiliptika · Post by **apokiliptika** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:28 pm

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:34 pm

Bob wrote:You keep posting notions like these as if they were facts.

you sound like you expect sociology to be deterministic.

Stryder wrote:Two questions for you: Who do you mean by 'org', and what do 'they' want? (I am asking only to get another, possibly fuller perspective.)

burningman llc, and i was talking about a direction that a significant number of people dont want to follow.

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:48 pm

Well fine, so it'll split the community into splinter groups, just like Fishy was worried would happen.

There are those who are leaving because they don't want their camps and art burnt down by opportunistic assholes who don't like them.

There will be, if the arsonist doesn't get hoisted on his own petard, anarchistas who will be sickened by the doubling of security at the event. They will bolt.

Borg2 was a creative response. No comparison. Apples and mirrors.

The Ten Principles cuts both ways. If you can't stomach having to tolerate if not respect other peoples' statements and spaces, go find another Playa and bring back the Good/Bad Old Days of pre-'96 Burning Man, and deal with the fallout (if you have the balls). Have an anti-Burning Man in February and burn right on the surface of the lakebed. Yeah, it's all under a foot of water, but this is about radical self-reliance and confronting your own survival, right? Adapt.

The problem with yahoos, goblins and asshats is that they want the anarchy without having to do the grunt-work themselves. Far, far easier to hijack someone else's work to make their statement. Why let a thing like personal sweat and toil, exploratory prototype after exploratory prototype, and dinged fingers ruin their fun? Gimme the street signs to plunder, gimme something to burn, gimme port-a-potties to trash, gimme cops to flash the one-legged peace sign at. Look Mommie, me so edgy!

I got your statement right here, doofus.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:52 pm

Spec -- didn't 47,000 people buy tickets? Weren't there five or six hundred theme camps? How many art installations? Wouldn't those constitute "significant numbers" in basic agreement with following whatever model of camping behavior the org promulgates?

Teo del Fuego -- I was a member of TuBorg, not Borg2.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:08 pm

Bob wrote:Wouldn't those constitute "significant numbers" in basic agreement with following whatever model of camping behavior the org promulgates?.

sure i can heard sheep, and can usually tell which are bliss bunnies in sheeps clothing or dpw'ers with wool dreadies.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:13 pm

I hear Floating Man has two out of two disgruntled members already. There's some numbers for you.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:35 pm

and i hear there are a few jaded ex-dpw'ers, go figure. i bet that means dpw is the most incarnate evil empire rooted in slavedriver mentality and just a long arm of the org conspiracy to keep the communist movement down.

you can find any members of whatever group to associate with to prove a point, but that doesnt give it relevance.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:10 pm

Teo del Fuego wrote:
Bob wrote:You keep posting notions like these as if they were facts.
and you keep posting dribble.

Is this what they call the pot calling the kettle somethingorother?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:46 pm

google wrote:Definitions of dribble on the Web:

* Process by which a player repeatedly bounces the ball off the floor so that it returns to his/her possession. ...
www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml

* To move the ball by bouncing it on the floor.
www.handballaustralia.org.au/info_glossary.html

* Bounce the ball.
www.wnba.com/about_us/glossary.html

* The act of bouncing the ball up and down. The offensive player with the ball uses the dribble to move the ball around the court.
www.nbagambling.us/terminology

* A player in possession of the ball may not push more than twice in succession with one or both hands in either direction without tapping the ball to the floor again. Taking more than two consecutive pushes constitutes a traveling violation. ...
www.disability.uiuc.edu/page.php

* The way a player controls the ball with her feet while on the move.
sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/world/2002/world_cup/news/glossary/

* surface application of fertilizer, usually in fluid form, in narrow band.
www.petrik.com/PUBLIC/library/misc_/Fertplacement.htm

* The act of controlling the ball with the feet while moving on the field of play.
www.cbc.ca/sports/worldcup2006/features/glossary.html

* a way of advancing the ball by a series of short taps with one or both feet.
www.ayso751.org/glossary.html

* To swim with the ball using a modified (head above water) crawl stroke.
www.fuzzypower.com/glossary.html

* When a player gives motion to the ball causing it to rebound from the floor and regains possession of it. Further contact with the ball must be made with one hand only.
http://www.minnetonka.k12.mn.us/mhs/phy ... 202003.doc

I'm confused.

Troy Van Berry · Post by **Troy Van Berry** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:12 am

For all those who say:
He was just making a statement, leave him alone(or don't involve the law), You would be asking for LEO's and justice if someone walked into your camp and torched your vehicle or shot you in the "name of art". Burning man doesn't happen in a vaccum.

Digital-Dragonfly · Post by **Digital-Dragonfly** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:49 am

Fishy... I think he mis-spoke...
I think he meant: drivel

Definitions of drivel on the Web:
(Related phrases: mindless drivel, pure drivel)

Idiotic utterance; silly nonsense; twaddle
a worthless message
drool: saliva spilling from the mouth
let saliva drivel from the mouth; as in "The baby drooled"

or may be not...

please pass the popcorn...

Stryder · Post by **Stryder** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:46 pm

Okay, but which PEOPLE are you referreing to? Or more specifically, how do I find out who the "LLC" is?

"Direction" is a very vague description. What direction are you refering to? And how does one determine a 'significant number of people' not following the 'direction'? (I'm just curious how the sampling is done. I might want to use the same method.)

burningman llc, and i was talking about a direction that a significant number of people dont want to follow.[/quote]

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:47 pm

The problem with yahoos, goblins and asshats is that they want the anarchy without having to do the grunt-work themselves. Far, far easier to hijack someone else's work to make their statement. Why let a thing like personal sweat and toil, exploratory prototype after exploratory prototype, and dinged fingers ruin their fun?

<rant> In short, a predictable, simplistic and altogether infantile interpretation of 'anarchy' by people who generally understand it the least. Behaving like Addis did provides him the luxury of not only of not having to consider (or giving a fuck about) the consequences of his actions but also allows him to insulate himself against legit criticism of his actions because in his world view the rest of us poor schmucks 'just don't get it.'

Where that view gets mired in the tar is his complete inability to acknowledge that, under most acts of pure anarchy, the individual (or the collective) must take into account the unwritten social contract which we all live under and are beholden to. To not acknowledge it is to make us indistinguishable from the animals.

</rant>

barnz · Post by **barnz** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:42 pm

Troy Van Berry wrote:...You would be asking for LEO's and justice if someone walked into your camp and torched your vehicle or shot you...

OK, some people enjoy arguing slippery slope all day long (no thanks).

But there is a mile of difference between burning the man at Burning Man and Burning my Subaru, or for fooksake SHOOTING me.

"What's the name of that dusty camping trip in the desert we go to? Burning Subaru?"

"No, silly can't you remember anything? It's called Shooting Hoopy. You remember, because we all go there to Shoot Hoopy."

If you want, go ahead and argue that burning the man early is WORSE than burning my car or shooting me, because everyone came out looking forward to it. But it's certainly not the same.

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:46 pm

One of my friends from Portland knows the guy and heartily approved of the "action." He reiterated the "brought anarchy back to the Burn" mantra that the pros have been trotting around, as his reason.

There being a Virgo transit at that particular time, I managed to bite down on my tongue and kept it at the discussion level until he twigged that...wait a minute...there'll probably be more security at the Burn now, because of what the arsonist did.

Lightbulb went on, and I just gave him a wry smirk and nodded. Goood boy.

Alchemy · Post by **Alchemy** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:42 am

Hey asshole... just because you don't like something doesn't give you the right to burn it.
I'll be looking for YOUR camp next year so I can watch and cheer if anyone torches it.[/quote]

To the best of what I saw in the front row of the afore mentioned burn..nothing but the man was burned..but then i guess water damage fucked up the art below? I was bummed I didnt get to see it at all . So just as the man.. why not bring your shit back and do it AGAIN.

burningflyer · Post by **burningflyer** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:51 pm

SFGATE

(10-29) 11:29 PDT SAN FRANCISCO - The man accused of setting the Burning Man on fire four days early has been arrested for allegedly planning to set Grace Cathedral ablaze, San Francisco police said today.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... JT2QQB.DTL

Let the San Francisco District Attorney know how you feel about Paul Addis

http://www.sfgov.org/site/frame.asp?u=h ... orney.org/

[email protected]

Kamala D. Harris
San Francisco District Attorney
Hall of Justice
850 Bryant Street, Room 322
San Francisco, CA 94103

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:59 pm

Let the San Francisco District Attorney know how you feel about Paul Addis

What a lame fucking idea.

Any prosecutor or District Attorney worth their salt wouldn't give a FUCK about what people have to say about the arrest. They go on the facts of the case - fortunately.

Valkyrie · Post by **Valkyrie** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:49 pm

uh, yeah?

I had a friend who was a prosecutor who explained to me his work. Prosecutors don't fight to "win", they fight for justice. And prosecutors tend to believe that public opinion should be shaped by their work, not the other way around.

Kinetik V · Post by **Kinetik V** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:26 am

Nevermind!

Post by **AntiM** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:40 am

Sure, move the case to San Diego County. They aren't burner friendly at the moment.

(humor, inappropriate humor, that's all)

Kinetik V · Post by **Kinetik V** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:54 am

There's just something funny about this latest SF / Grace Cathedral set of charges. I can't help but think we're seeing media spin and political posturing...and the real facts of this case have yet to emerge.

In Nevada the guy was caught in the act...even photographed and he bragged about it. In that case I'm all for seeing justice. But this time...it's hearsay evidence that started it, and for all we know he could have been standing there in front of a Cathedral...a place that invites contemplation and doing nothing wrong. He could have been trying to clear his mind from worrying about his Nevada legal issues with a couple of firecrackers and a Zippo in his pocket. The cops showed up, he got harassed...and the avalanche begins.

ZaphodBurner · Post by **ZaphodBurner** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:49 am

Kinetic V wrote: In that case I'm all for seeing justice. But this time...it's hearsay evidence that started it, and for all we know he could have been standing there in front of a Cathedral...a place that invites contemplation and doing nothing wrong.

"Officers were tipped off to the alleged plot by the manâ€™s neighbor, who reportedly heard him say the cathedral wasnâ€™t going to be there anymore."
http://www.kcbs.com/Burning-Man-Arson-S ... SF/1147488

So if the story is correct, the neighbor called the police saying Addis was going to burn a church, and, lo, they found him on the steps of the church with illegal pyrotechnics.

In light of the recent CA fires, he's either truly insane or Darwin-award stupid beyond the limits of general comprehension. I'd be surprised if he doesn't try suicide because in a sense he already has. If you want to commit a successful arson and you're out on bail for arson charges, one thing you don't do is alert people to your intent. Dude fell down the rabbit hole and never came out.

-c

EB · Post by EB » Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:12 pm

Kinetic V wrote:There's just something funny about this latest SF / Grace Cathedral set of charges. I can't help but think we're seeing media spin and political posturing...and the real facts of this case have yet to emerge.

In Nevada the guy was caught in the act...even photographed and he bragged about it. In that case I'm all for seeing justice. But this time...it's hearsay evidence that started it, and for all we know he could have been standing there in front of a Cathedral...a place that invites contemplation and doing nothing wrong. He could have been trying to clear his mind from worrying about his Nevada legal issues with a couple of firecrackers and a Zippo in his pocket. The cops showed up, he got harassed...and the avalanche begins.

This wasn't hearsay. It was police acting on a tip from a neighbor. Hearsay is when a witness quotes something he/she heard from somebody else. Good lawyers will have it tossed because it deprives them the benefit of cross-examining the original "sayer." (exception being death bed confessions, since it's impossible to cross the original source unless you have a ouija board.)

Point is, Addis is a punk and should get rung up regardless.

Post by **mdmf007** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:59 pm

Are you kidding - hes one of them thar hippie loving, drug smoking, pot shooting up, orgy festival types that call themselves BURNERS. no wonder he litted up those building.

damn hippies

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:17 am

And the latest...http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_7324611

burningflyer · Post by **burningflyer** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:01 pm

It looks like Paul is truly the biggest help in ensuring his own conviction:

Burning Man Arsonist Paul Addis' Backstory -- Murder Threats, Arrests
By Joe Eskenazi
Published SF Weekly: November 14, 2007

Aaron Farmer

Subject(s): Eskenazi on the Burning Man arsonist's other legal troubles

With his jovial face smeared in red, black, and silver paint befitting a Power Ranger, Paul Addis posed for one of the all-time great mug shots. After he was charged with prematurely incinerating the eponymous Burning Man mascot in August, it was easy to portray the San Franciscan as some free-spirited renegade unafraid to extend a necessary middle finger to The Man â€” or burn him down.

But then Addis was nabbed toting explosives at Grace Cathedral last month, which was more creepy than rebellious. And now SF Weekly has discovered more disturbing exploits attributed to him after his early return from Black Rock City.

Last month, San Francisco's Sacred Heart Cathedral Preparatory sought a restraining order against Addis after the 37-year-old allegedly threatened to murder students at the school. Nick Barsetti, the security coordinator for the school, claimed Addis told students on Sept. 8 he would "shoot them in the head with a Mac-10" submachine gun, and "pick them off one by one," according to court documents. An emergency protection order was promptly granted on Sept. 10. But, one day later, Addis was back and making "threatening gestures" to school staff.

Principal Kenneth Hogarty declined to comment, but did note that Addis is not an SHC alum. SF Weekly was unsuccessful in attempts to interview Addis, who has been determined by county jailkeepers as mentally unfit to sign the necessary waivers to talk to the media. He's being held on charges stemming from the Grace Cathedral incident.

September, it turns out, was a busy month for Addis. In its waning days he took his one-man Hunter S. Thompson show, Gonzo: A Brutal Chrysalis, to Seattle â€” and, on Sept. 27, that city's police department received a frantic call about a "man with a gun." After Addis' American Express card was refused at a Seattle hotel, witnesses told police he began "taking deep breaths" and clenching his teeth "like an animal" before muttering, "Heads are going to roll, and it's going to start here."

At this point, witnesses said Addis unzipped his duffel bag, slung a rifle over his shoulder, and stared at the terrified desk clerk for half a minute before packing away the gun and leaving the premises while bellowing into a cell phone. While onlookers and police believed the gun to be real, it turned out to be an air rifle. Addis spent the night in King County Jail and left the next day after posting $1,520 bail for misdemeanor charges of harassment and unlawful use of weapons. The air rifle remains in a Seattle evidence room.

Ticketholders for Addis' Seattle shows, incidentally, received full refunds and apologies that the play had been canceled due to "the actor's illness." Sadly, this excuse may be all too true.

http://sfweekly.com/2007-11-14/news/bur ... s-arrests/

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:22 pm

No one can pretend that what we have here, is just a jolly prankster anymore.

Grown man blowing childrens' heads off. That ain't funny.

Kinetik V · Post by **Kinetik V** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:55 pm

So....where are all of his fanatical supporters these days?

Crickets?
CRICKETS?

Damn, even the crickets left. I hate to say this but for those people who have an ongoing celebrity death pool going on, it might be time to add Paul to the list. The odds for a suicide attempt seem to grow with each passing day.

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