Professional Artists

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:38 am

pinemom wrote:scary but funny....that JOE BLOW could be the newest most talented artist the world has ever seen, and everyone would lay stakes to having seen his work or had dinner with him and his wife!

...and he doesnt even EXIST!

I find his work derivitive of the Italian master Giuseppe Venturi.

pinemom · Post by **pinemom** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:53 am

So Ill blow....her name is Kate Kanady...she has a way with water color that I havent seen since Geogia O'kieffe. But every great once in awhile she'll put out the best sunset, but with a huge humor aspect towards it.
You'll be randomly looking at all her wonderful pieces then one will come up and take you by delighted surprise.
She has this one, of the most beautiful sunset Ive ever seen caught in water color, tree's and then Power lines...on the power lines are a bunch of birds, tweeting to each other, on the power pole is a T.V.

name of piece: "Have you seen anything good lately?"

pinemom · Post by **pinemom** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:59 am

BTW...thats my mom...heheheee wouldnt THAT be a hoot!
Actaully she is an artist, but known by few, art seen by less then few.

When my step-father died, she stopped painting...then slowly I SHOVED the brush back in her hands, Dark and dismil paintings came forth, yet still very very good, and she started working with Oil's. Something Im way to impatient to work with.

She is now re-married and happy as a lark. Wonder what art this emotion shall bring forth?

Her portfolio crates (3) contain hundreds of paintings/oil's/pen and inks/ charcoal sketches.

some that have never seen the light in someone elses eyes...

anyone wanna play a game?

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:09 am

stargeezer wrote: For example, I think Mt. Rushmore is the greatest piece of art ever created.

....In 2006 I detoured from I-80 on my way back to Michigan after the burn to see Crazy Horse- I'd wanted to for some time, and hadn't been in the Badlands for about thirty years but remembered falling in love with the incredible scenery. After stopping at Rushmore just long enough to refresh my memory and hang out with a beautiful mountain goat and her kid beneath Washington's profile I wound my way the twenty or so miles over to the Crazy Horse/Native American Culture Center just in time for a spectacular hailstorm. Even scarcely a quarter finished, I was utterly blown away by the scale of the piece. The four Rushmore heads would easily fit within the head of Crazy Horse, which seems huge even though the visitor's center is about a mile away. Between the natural beauty of the region, the mind-boggling scale of the artwork and some very confusing and conflicting emotions brought on by the history of the area it was quite an experience. It was with great regret that I left BEFORE the big night blast, where twice a year they remove rock from the site with dynamite accompanied by a pyrotechnic display and laser show to commemorate Korczak Ziolkowski's birthday. (I don't recall the OTHER occasion- He obviously doesn't have TWO birthdays...perhaps it's Crazy Horse's birthday, although I thought that they coincidentally shared the same. Note To Self- look it up. ANYWAY....he was the principal artist, and also worked with Borglum on Rushmore.) While I don't necessarily view the Crazy Horse project as the finest example of large-scale rock sculpture from an esthetic standpoint, the sheer scale and scope of it is beyond anything else in relatively modern art that I can think of.

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:14 am

pinemom wrote:BTW...thats my mom...heheheee wouldnt THAT be a hoot!
Actaully she is an artist, but known by few, art seen by less then few.

I've been trying to get my mom to make more art...she's a weaver, fiber artist and graphic designer but hasn't really done much in the last few years. Dad's a photographer.

pinemom · Post by **pinemom** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:27 am

My signature used to be:

I want to be a Rich famous artist after Im dead.........

karine · Post by **karine** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:32 am

Have you heard of Jane Marie Watwood?!

pinemom · Post by **pinemom** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:43 am

hehhee...
hmmm I dont know what works has she done?

regynalonglank · Post by **regynalonglank** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:38 pm

karine wrote:So they are BIG STARS in New York, now, huh?!

wink

LOL. yeah...no. but they are working artists, and they do great work. they were pretty young at that time, I'm sure today they would say different things. although I disagreed with some of what they thought about art and artists I have to say they are people with truly innovative minds. I don't think they have been to the playa, but who knows, maybe before I went. I see them around periodically, but we are no longer close.

I really liked what was said about anything being an art if you raise it to that level. I'm tired and getting over some wikid flu thingy, so I can't think too good right now, but that sounded right on to me. It's not the medium or the training or talent, it's the end result, and how it is executed, what it means on a conceptual level, and if that is apparent to the viewer/experiencer. for me my favorite things are objects that remind me of something davinci would have made, like a box that is covered with images and there are objects inside, and you can open drawers and look through things, intricate and meaningless and beautiful because it inspires your own creative thoughts and understandings. not so much a way to express something, but a way to provoke something.

oneeyeddick · Post by **oneeyeddick** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:50 pm

robotland wrote:
stargeezer wrote: For example, I think Mt. Rushmore is the greatest piece of art ever created.
....In 2006 I detoured from I-80 on my way back to Michigan after the burn to see Crazy Horse- I'd wanted to for some time, and hadn't been in the Badlands for about thirty years but remembered falling in love with the incredible scenery. After stopping at Rushmore just long enough to refresh my memory and hang out with a beautiful mountain goat and her kid beneath Washington's profile I wound my way the twenty or so miles over to the Crazy Horse/Native American Culture Center just in time for a spectacular hailstorm. Even scarcely a quarter finished, I was utterly blown away by the scale of the piece. The four Rushmore heads would easily fit within the head of Crazy Horse, which seems huge even though the visitor's center is about a mile away. Between the natural beauty of the region, the mind-boggling scale of the artwork and some very confusing and conflicting emotions brought on by the history of the area it was quite an experience. It was with great regret that I left BEFORE the big night blast, where twice a year they remove rock from the site with dynamite accompanied by a pyrotechnic display and laser show to commemorate Korczak Ziolkowski's birthday. (I don't recall the OTHER occasion- He obviously doesn't have TWO birthdays...perhaps it's Crazy Horse's birthday, although I thought that they coincidentally shared the same. Note To Self- look it up. ANYWAY....he was the principal artist, and also worked with Borglum on Rushmore.) While I don't necessarily view the Crazy Horse project as the finest example of large-scale rock sculpture from an esthetic standpoint, the sheer scale and scope of it is beyond anything else in relatively modern art that I can think of.

I am right there with ya, Robotland.
I grew up in Montana, lived in Billings awhile, and
I have seen both several times.
Crazyhorse, handsdown, nuff' said.

Watchnc · Post by **Watchnc** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:02 pm

What is Art?
I think art is what ever someone creates whether painted or carved is what makes others, one or more, say WOW!. It's something that puts that chill down your spine, makes your heart beat quicker, makes your cheeks rosy (both sets), makes you break that soft sheen of a sweat, gets you to remember your past, relish your present, contemplate your future. It's something you want to have, to hold to marvel over, and think deep thoughts in front of. It makes you wish you could purchase, and makes you do so even though you aren't sure how you're gonna pay your rent, or mortgage. It's something that you want hanging or sitting in your domain even though it doesn't match your curtains or your couch and can't come under the title decoration. It's what makes you feel happy, sad, or even angry when you really need to get in touch with that emotion.
It's like sex actually. It can be stimulating to a lot of people, making them yell, cry, call out their favorite deities name over and over again. Or it can be quiet, personal, and mouth watering titillation to just a few.
I think that no matter how many alphabets you have behind your name and what school or who you studied under-- that if you have the ability to create something thatâ€™s as much a part of you as your own arm or leg, and you can hardly give away let alone sell without feeling like you want to arrange a visitation schedule with the new owner. Anything that has any type of effect or affect on a people or person, good or bad, it's ART and you my friend are an ARTist.

But, that's only my opinion and nobody really listens to me.

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:15 pm

Watchnc...

Many people listen to what you have to say more often than you might at first realize.

The thing I love about the playa is that people who dont' have a university degree in art can interact with people who may have several and each might never know it of the other... or care. They just interact through some sort of creative thing or process.

Playa dust blurs those lines that so often divide. I want to see more of that off playa...

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:54 pm

This year, my friend had a pretty cool wheel, that people could ride. It was beautiful to see how some people manipulated it.... or didn't........

Yea, some of the best art I've ever seen.... are the interactive types...... They only happen once, and in the moment. The only representation of this type of art is within the mind of those present........

And I've only seen that type of art at BurningMan

karine · Post by **karine** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:38 am

I like things that make you stop, look, pay attention- and then when you leave it, it may or may not be gone... things where the idea or the work was startling.
It made me look, or listen, or just pause for a moment.

The same issues as in painting. (Which some people know I am partial to!)
Rhythm. Go, go, go. Stop. Go, go, go.

I don't think that every work of art has to have some kind of "wow" factor to it.
Just a break in the rhythm of life.

Example : The siren on the playa last year before Crude Awakening. I LOVED the siren. It took me by surprsie and held me in this huge (for me) and intense moment of anticipation.

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:23 am

karine wrote:I like things that make you stop, look, pay attention- and then when you leave it, it may or may not be gone... things where the idea or the work was startling.
It made me look, or listen, or just pause for a moment.

The same issues as in painting. (Which some people know I am partial to!)
Rhythm. Go, go, go. Stop. Go, go, go.

I don't think that every work of art has to have some kind of "wow" factor to it.
Just a break in the rhythm of life.

Outside of the playa it's really hard to find art that's just plain FUN or PRETTY or AMUSING...So much of art that's taken seriously is freighted with heavy, dark meaning- As though gravitas were artistic validation. The annual West Michigan Area Show is coming up soon at the local art institute, and the prizewinners are almost invariably gloomy paintings as opposed to cheerful sculptures.
Our fine colleague Mister Jellyfish made one of the finest statements about The Fine Art Machine with his impression of a museum docent....Screamingly funny and dead on. Demand that he demonstrate next time you see him!

karine · Post by **karine** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:53 pm

Ooh! Mr. Docent! Indeed! We'll demand it.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:46 pm

If art is in the eyes of the beholden, then...

what do should we make of cataracts!

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:24 am

art or craft... art must have beauty....art must move you....

the words above, all thoughts from the human brain. look above us at night on the Playa, those stars, the milky way, what a work of art...when I look at you and I see your beauty, isn't that art. that fucking eclipse was ART, and then the fucking man burning at the same time.. fucking ART. Porn can be art, if, as pointed out previously, you eat pop corn while watching cop porn. That scary tormenting dream that I awoke from one night, was full of art.

If we all thought the same if would be such a shame, if my craft can be seen as art then I have become the master. (carpenter, maid, set flat builder, lights, camera action)

karine · Post by **karine** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:58 pm

arrrrr....... the masters...

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:26 am

We are all walking, breathing, chaotic art.
Each an artist and the artists work.
Every action or non-action we take defines the canvas that we populate.
A shared canvas of blending thoughts, color, and interaction.

karine · Post by **karine** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:06 pm

"Jeder Mensch ist ein KÃ¼nstler."
-Joseph Beuys

(Everyone's an artist)

karine · Post by **karine** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:03 am

"Anyone can be an artist!" - Joseph Beuys

http://www.tate.org.uk/tateetc/issue3/l ... hmaker.htm

accordionMan · Post by **accordionMan** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:57 am

I'd like to throw my two cents in.

First: what is an artist.

I feel that an artist is someone who has an overwhelming urge to create something in any type of medium.

Some artists create "found art". They see something that strikes them in an internal manner and want others to see it in a new light.

A person can be taught to be an artist, but some people have a natural talent for it... and those are the people that bring art to a higher level.

That said... there is art and artistry in other areas of life:

There's the Bullshit Artist.
Who can weave a convincing tale.

There's the Con Artist.
Who can read and manipulate people.

There's the Performance Artists.
Concepts, acting, singing as their medium.

Artists stop time and make us think or react.

Rolan Headon · Post by **Rolan Headon** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:53 pm

I like trashart, and I'm not to sure much effort is necessarily required for great art. Once I saw in Oakland on a grungy sidewalk on the side of a grocery store -- a bag of orange cheetos with escaping humanoid figures laid out, fleeing expressively their bagged captivity (or so it seemed to me). Wish I'd had a camera.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:40 am

Art should never be looked at, as requiring a special talent or training to participate in.

Experiments on children show that even the most meaningless reward for art inhibits creativity to a dramatic degree.
Perhaps this explains the level of imagination brought to the playa?
It may explain why artists I know, with their very expensive degrees, decided not to earn money as artists.

Nothing is art until someone reacts to it.

karine · Post by **karine** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:59 am

LOL Acc-Man! Nice catagori-za-tions.. he he

Post by **mdmf007** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:50 am

Like Justice Stewart Said "I cant define it - but i know it when i see it"

accordionMan · Post by **accordionMan** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:58 pm

"I distrust art school type stuff. Like a lot of school it's about something other than education."

As a product of art schools (the High School of Art and Design and then the School of Visual Arts) and as a working artist, I'd like to offer my opinion on the subject.

My experience in art school was totally about education.

I'd like to share with you the 2 most important art lessons I learned in school:

1- If you know the rules... you will know how to break them.

The second lesson I learned from Bernie Krigstein one of the pioneers of comic book illustration.
http://www.bpib.com/illustrat/krigstei.htm

I was doing a painting and Mr. Krigstein asked if he could pick up a paint brush and show me a few things. I agreed.

He put some highlights in... why did I do that he asked. I replied that the light was coming from the left.. good he replied.
Then he put in some shadow.. why did I do that he asked. I replied that if the light was from the left the shadow would be cast right. good he replied.

Then he did something with his paint brush that amazed me and the painting jumped. Why did I do that he asked. I said I don't know.

And that was when I learned the 2nd most important lesson:

Mr. Kregstein said "I did it BECAUSE IT LOOKED GOOD... sometimes you have to paint with your heart and not your head.

Art doesn't have to be learned in school and you don't have to have a degree. But learning and experience is an on going experience that makes all artists better.

For the record, the goal of my high school (Art & Design) was to train us to get a job upon graduation.

And when I went to the School of Visual Arts, it wasn't an accredited college at the time.. it was an art school... I had art classes all day. It was fantastic!

Bounce530 · Post by **Bounce530** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:26 pm

[quote="pinemom"]

An experiment on society would be to test the theory of mass media saturation.....[/quote]

Thats the story behind Shepard Farily's 'Obey Giant' campain, and it worked.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon May 12, 2008 8:27 am

To me the word professional denotes the person who is always striving to improve, to use things differently, researching.
The guitarist that looks so casual on stage, that pulls out a professional manicure kit before the show and spends a long time on their nails because they discovered they could hear the difference, that's an example.

I have always preferred the term artisan myself and a friend here does too.
To me, it indicates a higher combination of technical skills.
My friend calls himself a blacksmith, but he can list fifty different professions he has to know to do what he does.

Karine, you certainly qualify as an artisan.