70 billion for murdering

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:33 pm

70 billion more to murder Iraq and Afghan citizens.. Still no medical care for the poor and elderly.. No health program for any one..

70 billion for murder and no food for our hungry and home less..

70 billion for murder and no money to maintain our infrastructures..

70 billion more voted for murder by the people we voted in to speak for us.. we forgot to give then a hearing test..shame on us..

Post by **mdmf007** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:34 pm

Unjon - dont beat around the bush - tell us what your thinking.
j/k 70 billion could so be spent better, but you have to agree a regime change was totally needed in Iraq

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:36 pm

unjonharley wrote:70 billion more to murder Iraq and Afghan citizens.. Still no medical care for the poor and elderly.. No health program for any one..

70 billion for murder and no food for our hungry and home less..

70 billion for murder and no money to maintain our infrastructures..

70 billion more voted for murder by the people we voted in to speak for us.. we forgot to give then a hearing test..shame on us..

Hopefully this will be the last big funding for the war. It's looking like the Iraqis can take care of themselves.

We better get the hell out of there soon. The Kurdish rebel conflict is going to drag us into a regional war and wars in this this area can lead to an even bigger war like wwIII. This is the situation that I warned about at the beginning of the war and now it's starting. We need to remain neutral in this 600 yr old hundred conflict. There is no end in sight on this one. This one is worst then the palestinian-Israeli conflict and can be fought on several borders.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:41 pm

mdmf007 wrote:Unjon - dont beat around the bush - tell us what your thinking.
j/k 70 billion could so be spent better, but you have to agree a regime change was totally needed in Iraq

Was a regime change worth all the death and distuction??

BUsh lied and many people died..

Our country needs to take care of "our" country..

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:54 pm

unjonharley wrote: Was a regime change worth all the death and distuction??

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No, the republicans lossing the 2008 election was not worth all the dead Iraqis.

They would have lost just on the economy and the deficit

the only true victor is Iran and they should be nice to us and israel for getting rid of Sadam.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:58 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
unjonharley wrote: Was a regime change worth all the death and distuction??

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No, the republicans lossing the 2008 election was not worth all the dead Iraqis.

They would have lost just on the economy and the deficit

Close but no cigar.. The fix is in.. The fix worked so well the last two times, they wont even have to tweek it to make three times..

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:05 pm

And remember Unjon itâ€™s not like all of the money has gone up in smoke, itâ€™s gone into the hands of organizations like Black Water run by a religious right crony . American tax dollars Are being redistributed and in the end Iâ€™m certain the rich will trickle on us and all our boats will float,.. if we are true believers

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:00 am

i know how I could invest 1 million of that 70 billion to make at least 3 million or more. Let alone a billion.

Can you?

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:18 am

Osama just sent George and Dick Christmas cards. How heart fucking warming.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:52 am

mdmf007 wrote:you have to agree a regime change was totally needed in Iraq

No, I don't. Hussain was undoubtedly a thug and a bully. (AT one time he was our thug and bully, but I'm not going to go into that right now.) But did we need to get rid of him at that time in that way? Five years later has the life of the average Iraqi improved? And I never thought I'd agree with the CIA/State Department types who used to warn us against getting involved with the replacement of dictators.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:24 pm

Saddam Hussein attacked the USS Cole and US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya. Oh, not that was somebody else, sorry...

oneeyeddick · Post by **oneeyeddick** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:57 pm

I kinda like our regime better than his old regime.
Our regime has porn.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:59 pm

Our regime has those kinky s&m snuff tapes.

oh wait a minute. they just destroyed those. (so they say)

Post by **mdmf007** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:06 pm

dont get me wrong - its all completely fucked up. Our president is a liar - but i believe that Saddam and sons had to go, no peoples should be raped and fear their governemnt.

I also know that if we go by the logic that we should be the world police - we would be doing more in Darfur, North Korea, Nigeria, Somalia et.al.

We need out of Iraq, turn it over to them ASAP.

later

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:47 pm

I agree with you Fishy......... And now for the infamous But..........

The crap that we, and others did, lead those whom see Western societies as EVIL empires...... only interested in their resources, and not as partners in the world.... BUT, the attacks in Amerika kinda fucked up the "let's all be happy and get along".
I still do remember how easy it was to fly around within this country, and outside to friendly nations.....Now EVERYONE has a friggin DOOM label on their forehead........

Did we cause these people to attack our innocents???? And continue to do so around the world??? If so, is it something we (the Western world) can even now negotiate peacefully, or do they have their minds set on a bigger world domination power struggle????

Reading between the lines of the messages they send, I suggest the latter. That's scarry for a free society, like ours.... that can say basically whatever we want, OPENLY, without fear of repercussion from those in power.........

I'm still on the fence... as to whether this was the right policy or not.......
I HATE the loss of life........ But (again the But)..... the domination of the world by closed societies will start another Cold War....... I lived it, and don't want to go there again.................

And Yes, you are all Fucking DOOMED!!!!!

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:29 am

You finish the job with fucking Bin Laden and then people will listen to us.

The CO · Post by **The CO** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:55 am

An essay from The Nation on how that money could have been better spent on fighting the "war on terror".

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071022/kaye

EvilDustBooger · Post by **EvilDustBooger** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:30 am

I hate to be a downer, but it is too late.
What has been done is done in Iraq.
And we can argue about the ethics of those actions and their unintended repercussions all we want.
But the truth remains, and so will we.
Iraq was invaded in order to establish bases in a resource rich land
that shares borders with our allies and enemies alike.
It is a strategically splendid place to gain a military foothold in areas where we can both protect our assets and thumb our noses and step the toes of those other "troublesome" regimes in the mideast.
While troops may eventually be forced to stay away from populated areas in order to maintain civil calm; once the bases and air stations are up in Iraq - we can count on maintaining our unwanted presence there forever.

I`ll take your 70 billion and raise it 70 billion.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:08 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12319798/

New U.S. Embassy in Iraq cloaked in mystery

Baghdad locale, slated to be completed in 2007, to be largest of its kind

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The fortress-like compound rising beside the Tigris River here will be the largest of its kind in the world, the size of Vatican City, with the population of a small town, its own defense force, self-contained power and water, and a precarious perch at the heart of Iraqâ€™s turbulent future.

The new U.S. Embassy also seems as cloaked in secrecy as the ministate in Rome.

â€œWe canâ€™t talk about it. Security reasons,â€

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:38 pm

Disneyland was opened on July 17, 1955. It only took about a year to build.

It's called the "Happiest Place on Earth".

When the park initially opened, it consisted of five themed areas:

Main Street, U.S.A., an early 20th century Midwest town
Adventureland, featuring jungle adventures
Frontierland, illustrating western frontier
Fantasyland, bringing fantasy into a reality
Tomorrowland, looking into the future.

That's all.

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:58 pm

EvilDustBooger wrote: - we can count on maintaining our unwanted presence there forever.

I`ll take your 70 billion and raise it 70 billion.

Sad, but true.................

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:04 pm

TITWI--Saddamn Hussain had nothing to do with the attack on the Twin Towers. And going after him mean that we left Bin Ladin free. Plus we need to rethink our relationship with the Saudis, who provided 3/4s of the attackers. (Not in the sence of the state actually employing them, but they were saudi citizens and educated within their "system.")

Imagine WWII if after Pearl Harbor we'd invaded Chili.

motskyroonmatick · Post by **motskyroonmatick** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:43 pm

Sadam was very well contained in his own country in my opinion. I think that this whole thing is sick and that includes our governments response to september the eleventh two thousand and one (ugh). Iraq is a diversion.
It's all about $ and it partialy backfired because there is more money to make off of oil than making money getting at oil. IMO.

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:54 pm

Yup, exactly, Fishy... And I feel very bothered by the Iraq invasion.....

After the attack of WTC, a world leader said, point blank,.... "you are with us, or you are against us"........

There were a lot of "against us" things that came from the leader before the invasion........ Just as there are from others now.........

I don't know what the answers are, but falling over submissively, to some of the freaks out there, is only possible at BurningMan..... But in the World stage.... that's a little scarry..........

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:40 am

theCryptofishist wrote:TITWI--Saddamn Hussain had nothing to do with the attack on the Twin Towers. And going after him mean that we left Bin Ladin free. Plus we need to rethink our relationship with the Saudis, who provided 3/4s of the attackers. (Not in the sence of the state actually employing them, but they were saudi citizens and educated within their "system.")

Imagine WWII if after Pearl Harbor we'd invaded Chili.

I like to say that we finished D-Day then turned to invade Spain, the home of a "brutal dictator". Franco in chains! Mission accomplished!

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