I knew at some point this one would rear its ugly little head.
Several folks/groups opposed to the event on the playa have often used this very same straw man argument to frame the Project as wildly irresponsible, wreckless razers of pristine ecosystems.
FACT: Frog pond which is a small artesian well (once a perched water table) located to the south of the Lahanton lake bed/playa very near the train tracks, is not a natural site of any biological significance other than the occasional bird, antelope, rabbit or the large non-native species of bullfrog which were introduced to the area. Frog pond was drilled (bored) out many decades ago by some forgotten entrepreneur who realized that the water table at that end of the playa was relatively close to the surface compared to other occurrances of water around the entire basin/graben (go look that word up - it's a fave of mine) and decided to build there using the drilled well as a source of water. In short, the pool is man made and NOT an naturally occurring geological phenomenon. Suggesting that modification of a constructed area that has pleasing recreational value or perceived biological significance is moot. It's not unlike suggesting that tearing down or modifying a barn is destroying a natural and significant site just because a few bats happened to take advantage of the inner roof of the structure.
I'll concede that the alteration of the site due to backhoeing(sp?) the area for water has made an impact and that it doesn't look like it once did but to suggest as our ill-informed troll has that the alteration(s) are paramount to wreckless destruction of the area is a leap of reason and a distortion of facts. In short, truth is suffering here folks.
Expect further twisted missives based on the same flawed logic and distortion of facts to follow.
For anyone interested, I have a somewhat bulging collection of books, articles, papers and abstracts culled primarily from Stanford University's Mitchell Earth Sciences library collected from over eight years of general study of the Lahanton/Carson sink region of the western Basin and Range provence. Cites and topical titles available on request however, I'm convinced that even this source of info won't placate our little buffoon.
You have stated on another thread that your real identity is:
boulder creek, ca
So, I did a quick search on your name and turned up this site:
Is this you? Your car? Your visit to Black Rock Desert?
How about this site:
That set of photos from August, 1997 look interesting, especially pic6. Is that you/your car?
If that is you, do you and your associates still like to visit the Black Rock Desert with your vehicles (probably different ones now) and enjoy it as depicted in these photos? If so, do you like to go in August, when the bulk of site preparations for Burning Man and/or the actual event are taking place?
Let me please be clear that this is not an attack on you nor a judgement about the appropriateness of the behavior depicted in the photos. Just a few queries to help clarify for myself and others how it is that you enjoy the Black Rock Desert and how that might be conflicting with its use by others, including the BMORG and the Burning Man event.
It is also interesting to note that on the site with the car pic in the desert, comments are credited to "Rodney Sparks" - another user who showed up on the eplaya in the past couple days supporting the crossposted threads.
Interesting coincidence of location, message, alliteration, and association.
But just a coincidence, I am sure.
What's interesting is that first, Rex no longer owns a Neon. Actually, only one person among 14 or 15 of us owns a Neon. I no longer own a Neon either.
stopbmorg wrote:BTW, Dotster is screwed in the head, but the whois info finally seems to be oozing out...
Created On:22-Aug-2003 19:28:23 UTC
Last Updated On:20-Jan-2004 04:20:34 UTC
Expiration Date:22-Aug-2004 19:28:23 UTC
Registrant Name:Stop BMorg
Registrant Street1:2122 East Playa Street
Registrant Postal Code:89412
Admin Name:Rex Scates
Admin Street1:150 Evergreen
Admin City:Santa Cruz
Admin Postal Code:95503
Tech Name:Rex Scates
Tech Street1:150 Evergreen
Tech City:Santa Cruz
Tech Postal Code:95503
It only took 72 hours for them to get it right. *sigh*
The ONLY things I'm after here are for people to a) look at the evidence we have in the form of written documents (and some admittedly weak photos), b) judge for yourself if there is a reason to doubt that the environmental concerns are being adequately addressed (cleanup standards, impact to the local hot springs), and c) maybe propose some solution to the situation at hand, whatever that situation might be
Can you see that the fact that your were racing cars out there on the playa in August, the time when people go out to prepare for the event, makes your intentions highly suspect? That is some context for envrinomentalism. Maybe it wouldn't have been if you all hadn't witheld it.
And your url is just icky and creepy. It is difficult to see you guys as having any honest intentions. Really, I mean that honestly.
1. What is your goal? What would you like to see happen? Is there a solution to any of the problems you have submitted for our review?
enthropic wrote:I passed a couch on my way out on the morning after the burn. A half a mile or so down 447. I was upset it was there and pissed I wasn't able to do something. I was packed to the brim with trash. I will say there is always something more you can do about these problems. However, 30,000 people you can only expect a couple of shit heads. I hope someone picked up the sofa!
Well they still haven't. Or perhaps you haven't. Your registrant info is still fraudulent.
respecttheplanet wrote:Every one of you can agree that there is a lot of trash left on 447 (and other roads) after the event. The trash would not be there if the event did not occur.
Rob the Wop wrote:I think that the issue here is you keep saying that the Burning Man organization is being hypocritical, and that their actions should match their words.
Problem is, you and Rex appear to be twice the hypocrites.
Now that you've shown your true colors, I think I'm pretty much done with checking your site out. I don't need to be a bullet item on your resume for "cleaning up" Burning Man.
Tancorix wrote:So, let me make sure I understand this...you don't go to the event? And you are relying on the media along with a few on the ground observations to form an opinion? Your missing some key parts of the story.
Ok, so you don't go to the event. How do you know what the ORG actually does to try and prevent the things you are talking about? Have you visited the earth guardians exhibits? Why not volunteer as an earth guardian and find out what they tell you about the hot springs?
Or why not do like I did and become a greeter, and with every vehicle that hits the gate you remind them to give the community 2 hours of clean up time before leaving, and "don't let it hit the ground", among other warnings?
If your going to take on the event, you really need to get inside it and understand it. When PETA launched their latest drive against KFC and the handling of chickens, they went inside the plants. They put people in the testing facilities and they filmed it from the inside. My hunch is if you get inside this event and you experience it some of your attitudes will shift.
respecttheplanet wrote:What about me? You agreed with some of my proposals, right?
respecttheplanet wrote:I'm not being a hypocrite about anything, I'm just stating my opinion.
metric wrote:In the weeks after the event, teams are sent to remove the trash on the sides of the road. They do not discriminate between "participant" garbage and other garbage. They just pick it all up.
I would invite anyone interested to attend National Public Lands Day after the event. We go out and repair damage from recreational users in other places of the desert. This would help provide you with a more balanced view of what comprises a "trace."
Tiara wrote:Regarding the Frog Pond restoration efforts, please go to http://home.earthlink.net/~karinaoc/burn99/frog.html to read more.
"Wetland restorationists and environmental artists will craft a site-specific plan to create wetland habitat in a human-use setting, an esthetic environment with maximum wildlife value. We will explore the intersection of art, science and our ideas about nature, using cutting-edge restoration techniques to create a living landscape that is also a work of art. A volunteer-based project integrating wild art and rigorous science will give birth to a living community that enriches our surroundings and our consciousness. "
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